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I think I've said other times that when I say the WORDS bliss or pleasure or silence are WORDS, I'm not talking about mental or physical pleasure, I'm not talking about mental or physical bliss. I'm talking about a certain state of consciousness. Consciousness can be in a wide range of different states, as our beloved forum Leader said in the past. Caring about truth is fine. But try to care about truth in a miserable state. See if is of any value Truth when you are anxious or fearful or live stressed. That will let you see that State of Consciousness is how you measure the profoundity and importance of life. That will let you see what is important for you: Experience of Life. How you are experiencing this very moment. A State of consciousness above suffering = Consciousness outside the mind. It doesn't matter how many more are from there. The important thing is to get there. From there I can negotiate that there can still be different ways for Consciousness to experience itself. For example, i can imagine that if you disgange from the physical body for too long, you will die (aka, abandoning the body, mahasamadhi). So, of course, is not white or black. But first, get to 'first base' First base is to be able to disangage from that which bounds you. Dismissing that as pleasure seeking is completely losing the point. You are not getting the seriousness and importance of you as consciousness being able to distance yourself from mind, emotion and energetic entanglement. This is the primordial work. Only from there mysticism and comfortable exploration of this creation starts.

Of course, I did not mean to deny this. No, preferring things has nothing to do with self-image. It is not selfish to prefer vanilla over chocolate, for example. Or drinking water when you are thirsty. Those are just biological imperatives which do not require a self at all. The perception of thirst is not selfishness, and the perception of a pleasant flavour is not selfishness, the perception of those two things as being selfish is itself selfishness. It is a common misconception to perceive desires and preferences as something which involve a self, but that self only appears when you create beliefs about yourself in relation to those desires and preferences. For example, it is not selfish to want to reach first place in a race. It is selfish to say "I desire to win this race, because otherwise I will be unworthy." In the latter case, the only reason the race is desired is because it is genuinely believed it will solve a lack of self-worth. What is desired is not actually the race, but the absolution of the belief that you are unworthy. When you win the race, that is the moment that you start to change your self-image, because now your experience contradicts your previous identity, which was the identity of someone who has never won a race before and therefore is not worthy. Your emotions are perfectly in tune with what you think you are perceiving, which is an imagined self. If you live in a world that is threatened by imagination, then it is perfectly normal to seek a state of non-imagination, just as normal as it would be to run away from a bear. It is not wrong or morally inferior to live in the imaginary world, but what is being pointed to is that the imaginary self can be permanently uprooted, and it can simply be realized that it didn't exist in the first place. What is called "selfishness" are the actions you take to "defend" that imagined self from thoughts and beliefs. Ah ok, but it seems related, because at the end of the day, these thought-based emotional problems are to do with that "me" entity which lingers around. Perhaps if that is absolved you will stay there longer. That is fair, you can enjoy that silence if you want, but I see that you are creating thoughts about yourself from the experience. Experience silence if you want, but no point in thinking about how your current experience isn't that silence. You are building ideas around it, for example, "normal egoic consciousness." I am saying that believing in that label is ironically a belief system created from that very blissful experience of silence. You created a dichotomy which says: "This experience is bliss, this experience is normal egoic consciousness, and neither can ever converge." For sure, there are certainly very blissful states which are worth pursuing. But I saw ideas about ego being mixed up in there, which I saw as a conflation.

when i change me i change you, in both cases no words needed, everything outside is the part of me that needs healing inside the outside is the inside being shown to me on the big screen to make sure i won't miss it anything that's amiss, transmute to bliss "I drop resentment and extend forgiveness here." "I am showering light and love to him despite his actions." "I am a vessel of peace, knowing harmony is the only freedom."

Ah yes, the Guru question. It can potentially make you experience things you never imagined and lead you to happiness or can totally mislead or corrupt for decades. You can also mistake true for false and false for true. But good luck. If you do some sadhana and generate some bliss or have sat trough at least one night of Mahashivrathri or things like that, you will probably find such quality people in your life (i mean the real ones, but you will anyway don't do what they say, because they would like you to become mystic and drop your life).

It's not a fairy tale. I was once in a ridiculously blissed out state for 3 days straight afterward...a part of me...wanted to experience pain. At that moment I was like.....NO WONDER!!!! OF COURSE!!!! So no, you think you want it...you don't otherwise...you would have it. You want to be in bliss? Surrender all of your selfishness. Unconditional love= SEFLESSNESS. Surrender all attachments....every single one and you can have it. It's simple. I've posted method after method. One example is to live a life of selfless service to others while cultivating a meditation practice of surrendering within. If you have any attachments go burn through them till you don't want them anymore. This path is the path of the feminine. The path of compassion, of softness, of kindness, and surrender, the path of death. Die to your personal desires and desire for all that is....and you'll get it. But....the ego doesn't like this message, it wants to take unconditional love...without having to surrender....HAHAHHHH God's perfect design!!

It is . I agree . So in your opinion there is no such thing as unconditional happiness or a state of 24/7 nirvanic bliss and joy like what these Indian gurus try to sell us ?

Am I doing what I want or what others/familiy/society/my 'past me' wants? Are we blinded by so much information, by all the online mentors, by too much socialization, by to many distractions, by the shiny lights of superficial success, by constant connection, that we never even bother to search for our Zone of Genius? It takes a lot of reflection, solitude, silence, emotional labour, trial and error, sacrifices... and maybe we don't want to dive deep, like David Lynch puts it: “Ideas are like fish. If you want to catch little fish, you can stay in the shallow water. But if you want to catch the big fish, you’ve got to go deeper. Down deep, the fish are more powerful and more pure. They’re huge and abstract. And they’re very beautiful.” Leo talked in his last happiness video, how he really doesn't believe in going full monk in meditation, because he is very creative and his mind is very active. That struck me. Specially coming from him, 'the spiritual guy'; and I realized that the path of mastery of one skill can be even more fulfilling that the path of ''full spirituality'. That the path of mastery/creativity (''exploiting'' the active/monkey mind), could be even more fulfilling than the path of shutting of the monkey-mind. Im also INTP, highly active and creative mind; and probably a lot of you in this forum are also similar. Why fight our gifts, instead of going along with them? Beware of going down a path that is not truly yours, just because is a fad, popular or is a promise of happiness. The path is not the same for all. And yes, Im talking to myself, I need to reflect on this; but if you also needed to read this, I hope this makes you reflect. Rick Rubin is probably not enlightened, but I look at him, and think: 'why would he try to get to enlightenment?' He radiates bliss and pure joy. Peace. The kind of guy who works hard, makes millions, and still enjoys smelling the roses. In fact, it seems that everything for him is about enjoying the smell of the fucking roses.

See thats what i love, now we are agreeing on something. So its not that bad the ww3, you get bliss for eternity. You think experiencing something on 5 MEO for 20 min is great, tryt it for eternity, you will go ballistic.

Theres super lavish bunkers now. And no the Jews are not invited (joking) Either way wouldn't be too bad to surf eternity and bliss <3

I don't think there even be historians after WW3. We will all be in Heaven (Hell for some, or should I say most) enjoying our eternity, tripping endlessly in a state of never ending bliss. Lol

@Dodo Consciousness=existence is held true in some traditions, like Advaita, in others not. But why give any concept, existence or consciousness or bliss or nothingness or brahman, a privileged position in relation to absolute truth? (Not a leading question, I don't have a good answer!)

dont they say its the same thing? sat chit ananda, existence consciousness bliss consciousness means existence

Think you’ve kind of answered your own question, lsd lasts a long time and can be draining, if you do it when your already tired then your going to have an even more uncomfortable body load. also coffee is a complete stimulant, psychedelics have stimulating effects but are not a true stimulant. psychedelics can relax your body in ways that hard to achieve when sober, but they also keep you wide awake. If you fight the relaxation of your body with your mind then it can cause extreme tension, you just have to let the body do what it wants to do, don’t try to fight it. you’ll find that if you let the body work through the energy and let it flow wherever it wants to go then the body load will often dissipate into extreme bliss.

Good observation. There is a place outside the mind where nothing of the crap we are used to exist. They say those who stay in that place long enough, end up abandoning the body (Mahasamadhi) because of the irresistible sweet Bliss and explosive 🧨 good feeling liberation that is being outside the realm and chains of the mind.

3.5 grams for a first-time is deep work. You're very strong mentally to get over that peak as well as you did. You did what you needed to do at that time. With more experience, you will learn that whatever happens, it will all be OK. I would get the"Why the fuck am I doing this again" when I did 2gr, at times. Depression seems to be the root of that for me. So I take stock of myself and try to go in with a clearer mind. I don't have depression all that much anymore. The laser lines are visions that you created, your imagination projecting back at you with a lot more force and that can be fearful, or blissful. YOu can learn from bad trips, after the peak, when the " I'm going to be OK" settles in, then it can be so amazing going from "metaphysical angst", and then bliss.. That light within", love. Nice. I think it has another source, magical/mystical/alive ,. I take it as a contemplative expression. Centering.

They are not. They are capable of unconditional love, compassion, gratitude, forgiveness etc. It's just that these characters got buried deep within because of the environment and the survival characters are reigning now. You can recognise that these survival traits won't serve the purpose of finding them true happiness,peace and bliss, and be compassionate towards them for not being able to recognise it. Compassion is one extension of love. The main purpose of Spirituality is to awaken such people, from their deep programming due to survival needs.

I am always with me, but I still miss Myself. It's more like I miss not being myself anymore. The me that I become when I am not Myself yearns for the Me that I am when I am not myself anymore. I long for the bliss of being Myself but this self that I am stops me from not being myself anymore. My tongue has tasted the forbidden fruit. The fruit that led me to Myself when I was not myself anymore. The gold shimmers and the birds sing beautiful songs.The merchant sells, and the addict buys Is it them, or is it Me? I truly can't seem to tell me from Myself any more. I quit all the drugs so I could experience more of Myself. Only to discover the strongest of drugs: A state where there is no me, myself, or I anymore.

^^^LOL you are a wise fool because if you awaken you receive the greatest gift ever....yourself. You get free samadhis whenever you want, you get bliss for free. You can rev up the feeling of love or dial it down. You also understand people at the deepest level imaginable. No therapist, no psychiatrist could ever know or understand people better than you. Because you gain complete self-knowledge in that you know beyond a doubt that every person, every creature, everything is GOOD. You discover what GOODNESS is and get to see it from different angles. You understand that all the things you call evil actually SERVE GOOD. Because GOOD is so GOOD it can only experience itself through duality....so that is why all things we hate serve all things we love. You are able to see it and it makes you laugh.

It doesn't matter if it's real or not. The solution is the same. Whether is god or demon, Angel or devil, sadness or bliss, extacy or agony. Simply allow. Be the presence that allows all things and is beyond all things.

In Hinduism, Brahman (Sanskrit: ब्रह्मन्) connotes the highest universal principle, the ultimate reality in the universe.[1][2][3] In major schools of Hindu philosophy, it is the immaterial, efficient, formal and final cause of all that exists.[2][4][5] It is the pervasive, infinite, eternal truth, consciousness and bliss which does not change, yet is the cause of all changes.[1][3][6]Brahman as a metaphysical concept refers to the single binding unity behind diversity in all that exists in the universe.[7][8] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

With the energetic practices/meditation that you describe one can generate states that are awakened and boundless/nondual. But as soon as the energetic practice stops, the separate-self Gestalt/structure "kills" the nondual boundless blissful state when it comes back after practice. One can literally feel it contract back in the head. Its like applying medicine to a disease. Relieves the symptoms, but not the source problem (separate-self contraction. Literally contraction, creating contraction/location/center in the head and body). There are practices that dissolve the separate-self-contraction directly (the root-cause, or the source problem, and not just its symptoms, no nonduality and lacking bliss), in a way that the whole flow of I-thoughts/I-feelings is cut off in real time fast enough (Trekchö in Dzogchen for example, certain Mahamudra practices), That (dissolving all me-thoughts/concepts and -feelings) fast enough in real time (needs a lot of training) then leads to dissolving the sensation of being centered in the body (the contractions and localizations), and also leads to "hard" nondual/infinite Awakened states (then also off the pillow in daily life), including the "solidity" of the "outher" world being replaced by mere lucid appearance hovering in infinite Nothingness/Reality/Ones True Self as expressions of it, "seeing itself". Without these two shifts towards truly nondual awakened states (loss of center and mere appearance instead of solid external world), most of the talk/writing about it is just wishful thinking and conceptual speculation. It is not just thinking differently, these are "hard" awakened states. Only in these awakened states can the real state of Reality be realized, and the separate self slowly dissolved. Without these hard awakened nondual states, there is only illusion/duality/separate-self, and no chance to really realize what the underlying nondual Reality beyond the illusion/ignorance really is. I have the impression that is an important point for you, since you are among the rather few that actually practice and not just engage in conceptual speculation, but in generating these awakened states. And I agree fully on that. I have written extensively about these practices of Dzogchen/Mahamudra. If that is done proficient & fast enough, the mechanism of creating a separate-self and a localization & center stops, and one has these awakened boundless/nondual/infinite states of Infinite Nondual Consciousness in daily life when getting up from the pillow. I can confirm this from my own practice. It is too good to be true. Yet, it is true, and at that stage of practice always available. From that basis and in these states, one can dissolve the last remnants of the separate self contractions/localizations/lenses of perception in the burning of ones own infinite and impersonal True Being. The contractions that were the separate-self/ego melt like ice in the sun. I can only invite to try these techniques. In my experience, they are way superior to any standard concentration/energetic sitting meditation/practice. Exactly because it attacks the root-cause, and opens up Awakened Nonduality States in daily life. Mahamudra uses extensively concentrative sitting-meditation and energetic practices (Tummo for example) in the beginning, but goes beyond it as soon as possible. Off the pillow. Water by the River Here a description of the practice system I mainly used: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/92467-god-fucking-damn-it-another-meditation-rant-thread/?do=findComment&comment=1309816

I understand what you're saying and I think you understand what it is I experienced. I was also identifying with those feelings. IT seems like I dropped all other identifications but held on to the feelings, which I was still and am identifying with or as, whatever the term is. I'm not going through a psychosis, as some may think, nor do I not see myself as separate, even though I know that's an illusion. It will take more than a little wine or a little weed to make that shift in consciousness. I know I felt something and when you said "open new doors in my perception that i may not have experienced before, I totally resonated with that. It's not like things aren't back to normal, but there's something I'm seeing, not with my regular eyes, that I can't compute nor explain. Not even how I see myself or the world, nor the situations around me. It's all the same, just something there, that I can only sense but not with my normal senses. I'm not feeling euphoric nor ecstatic bliss, far from it. The best I can say is it is like something keeps whispering to me in a non-verbal way. Saying something that I can't interpret, or I am trying to interpret but can't. So yes, I'm just sitting with it and letting it unfold without interrupting or trying to figure out what it is. It seems like it is it's own guidance. Thank you.

This was a very lucid dream I had several years ago and would like to share it with you. In the dream, I was walking in a crowded area when I saw a cave off in the distance. For some reason I was drawn toward the cave and decided to go in and investigate. As I entered the cave, I noticed a small group of primitive people sitting around a fire in the center of the cave. By the tone and nature of their voices, they were discussing something of importance. As I got nearer, they stopped talking and one got up and came over to me. He stood there for a few moments, smiled, then took me by the hand, and led me out of the cave and to a carousel located off by itself near the cave entrance. On the carousel there were hand painted wooden figures, which looked like fairies or some sort of small people. When we got near the carousel, it started moving in a circle and playing loud invigorating music. The primitive man pointed to the carousel indicating that he wanted me to go aboard it. It looked exciting and I knew it would be fun. I jumped on and it immediately increased in speed until everything was blurred. In one instance many lives passed by, I knew myself as many different people at many different times - in the past and in the future. Suddenly I was suspended in space where I was the only thing that existed. It was total darkness, but somehow I was surrounded in a brilliant light. In fact, I was the light. I was everything that existed. There was nothing else except me. Through my being ran pure joy, unconditional love, and there was a sensation of such magnitude that it can't be described. It felt like a sexual orgasm multiplied by infinity. Time didn't exist. I just was. I existed. I was I AM and nothing else. I had been here forever and would remain here forever. The thought entered my mind that this was wonderful but I needed to cause a "movement." I needed to cause a "flow of energy." At that moment, I had an overwhelming and compelling urge to initiate a flow of energy. I knew if I moved, energies would be put in motion, and there would be creation. I moved. All around and within me I saw galaxies come into to being. Universes were being created and stars being born. It was exciting, the more excited I got, the more galaxies were then created. Another thought entered my mind of how exciting it would be to explore this new creation that existed. As this thought entered my mind, I was born. The following is a poem that resulted from the experience. “Dedicated to All True Seekers of Truth” In the abyss of eternity where there exist no dimensions, width, or height I basked in ecstasy and existed as a sparkle of a most Brilliant Divine Light. I was aware of My Being and did not question how I came to be While reflecting in perfection, I knew that nothing existed except for Me. Then came a feeling of loneliness that for Me was hard to know and bear I wondered if there was anything for Me to Love and for which to care. As eons passed in the eternal now, I continued in bliss to enjoy But somewhere deep within lay an intense desire to create and to deploy. I knew if I was to act, energy would then be created and would be dispatched In Eternity, plans conceived with Love and patience were now carefully hatched. Finally in one brief moment, the decision to move and act was resolved Thus out poured Brilliant White Light in which infinite Love revolved. Now everywhere among the emptiness did boundless dimensions come to exist Looking all around in wonderment and to continue to create I could not resist. Out poured more infinite Love and energy and to the distant realms it did fly In the newly created galaxies did new minted worlds form with land and sky. As I looked upon the new Creation with infinite joy and holy delight There were many worlds to know and in which to imbue with Truth and Light. As this thought was created, out to the infinite worlds it did rapidly scatter Portions of My Being continued to fragment and became part of all physical matter. With interest and delight, I viewed My creations with unlimited joy and glee But somehow it seemed lacking and needed something more for the completion of Me. I needed someone with whom to commune and love in all My days Someone to share my thoughts with and someone to share in all My Ways. To live each wonderful day with exceeding joy and to a complete fullness We would share our gentle love with hearts filled with unlimited goodness. So now it was done and all forms were thus completed As I looked around there was nothing more that I needed. As the species of mankind evolved and deeper it fell into the world of materiality The voice of the Divine Spark now spoke even more softly while in this reality. Man’s advancements in the sciences were most magnificent and deadly But to the voice of the great Wisdom within, man chose not to listen willingly In time and space man continued to think thoughts that caused him wars and grief If only he knew he was a Co-creator and would accept this as his most holy belief. In the depths of despair, a Man did lie in torment one stormy dark night It was nothing he could do, even when he tried with all his earthly might. To the heavens in fury and grief he did loudly call Asking for help from any heavenly being, any at all. Instantly in the room of despair there was a most brilliant and holy flash My Beloved your prayers were answered even before you have asked. The Voice so gentle and filled with kindness did say Wisdom is now yours and your new life has begun this day. With infinite joy the man looked about the room for someone other than himself Than suddenly without a doubt, he understood the words, “ Man Know Thyself.” For all True Seekers there is always the Master To aid and comfort in all your perceived disasters. Listen quietly for the Divine Voice within And with perfection, each day will begin. For Heaven, to the skies do not search or seek Because within yourself, there you must take a peek.

@Javfly33 Yeeeeep. Going out of meditation is amazing, first it's pure beauty, peace and then after a couple of minutes you can actually "see/feel" your mind putting labels on material things ruining this bliss moment and so Maya continues.

If there is still "someone" thinking/feeling of being totally alone, there are also still "others". Empty Impersonal Infinite Consciousness/Reality contains these thought/feeling-arisings of being alone. "IT" is so empty that it can't feel alone. That would be an arising of thought/feelings "in Itself". If these last arisings of separate-self-afraid of being alone-fear are transcended, there is only (impersonal) love and bliss in that Nondual Reality/Infinite Consciousness, realizing itself as one without a second. Before that Gateless Gate, the game/Lila uses all fear- and delusion-meachnisms to scare the separate-self away from Truth. Beyond it, there is only nondual unity, love and bliss. One justcan't see this from before the shift, which is in the nature of the game. No Illusion, No Duality, No Other. So fear is the price to pay for the game/Lila of having "an other". Selling Water by the River