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@Robi Steel your country germany but you vote in the usa? interesting standpoint. are you then actually also voting in germany or is that a conflict and are you voting for trump to get better politics in germany or in the usa? and are you actually german or american? don’t you think europe is already americanized enough or do you think because we are so islamized we cannot think straight anymore and forget what a huge positive effect fascism had on europe? do you think if i would deny maybe being a human, i could make you believe i‘m some kind of alien on this planet full of ******* fill in whatever you think would fit the majority in terms of consciousness.

I didn't see this earlier. The reason for the belief that others inside my dream don't have subjective experience is because they were created at the moment when I began the dream. They did not have lives before I went to bed and began dreaming. Nobody ever inside my dream has claimed lucidity or awareness, other than myself. However in the waking reality, all characters which I meet imply lucidity of their own and, in a way, that they exist even when I am not in their field of perception. For example that dream dog that was chasing me that one dream did not have a subjective experience of chasing me. That would require a dreamer on the other side, who is dreaming to be this dog and is the aware space in which that dream happens, but is dreaming it from the point of view of the dog. But that would then require every other character to have that as well. And since I can turn this dog or any other character into a candy inside that dream, that means that even inanimate objects then require a dreamer in order to have a subjective experience as that inside the dream. Do you think lollipops dream? But if a dog chased me in real life I will know that the dog has a subjective experience of its own and it is a real creature, not a figment of my imagination. For one, I will know it, because I will not be able to simply wish it away or just switch my dream or defeat it with superhuman strength which I can use inside an actual dream. If it can go poof just by me wishing it, it probably doesn't have a subjective experience. I know it doesn't sound very scientific, but I think it's the best way to explain this belief. How do I know I am now in the waking state or sleeping state? When you want to know that, you just have to look for the logic. If it's not there, you're in a dream. If there is logic, then it is the waking state. What do I mean by logic? That part of reality which does not allow you to fly at will without the necessary gear, which you can do inside a dream. In the waking reality you have to adhere to a specific set of rules and also there is much stronger continuity. There are also consequences of actions which you may pay for later on. In a dream you can murder everyone in cold blood and the next thing you know you're being crowned the King of Peace by an alien race of giant ants. That's how you know you're in a dream. If you end up in a high security prison for 40+ years, then you know you're in the waking state. youknowwhatImean How do you know other people are also aware in the waking state? How do we know? Easy!! Can I ask you, are you aware? The way you answer this question and the way I answer this question, if we are both honest, will be the same or very similar. Also if you are asked to describe this awareness, there will be striking similarities. It will turn out, me and you can both write about this separately, then compare notes and see that we are having the same experience of consciousness. This question has been asked to many inside this "waking dream" and I can tell you, you cannot get the answers from someone who is not aware. Ask someone in your actual dream that and you will see what the difference is. Try to ask Siri too. Or google. Google "knows" a lot of things, but it doesn't know shit about being aware and will never know. But really, after saying all this, it is not even important to know whether this is "waking" or "dream" reality. Those are just labels and reality could be either. I am not denying this could be a dream with logic. But whether it is a dream or not, there is something which is always real, in any state. The dream might not be real, but the you that experiences the dream IS real. Did you dream your dream last night? Yes Was it the same you that is on the forum right now? Yes Those two events happened in a different state, but there is something there which unifies both. That's the reality, not the waking or dream by themselves. I hope my answers are sufficient.

But trying to remove the mind is like erasing the whole universe/you/everything. It seems pretty unlikely that inanimate objects would exist on their own without the mental or thinking process. From my perspective, the root of all suffering is a misunderstanding of all these mental processes that appear as being located in the homo sapiens brain, while truth could be a lot more alien than that. So why we should retain these primitive/self-limiting beliefs that reality is all there is and not try to expand our minds further? That's how evolution works. But since humans seem to suffer from Stockholm syndrome/there is no free will/it's all death and diseases mindset, there's no true understanding or novelty besides boring repetition of different patterns.

I smoked 15mg of bufo this weekend, which I know isnt a lot, but it was still very intense. Ive done 7gs of shrooms 4x and have had ego death, and even just 15mg of bufo was WAY more intense. During the trip, it felt like i (james) was communicating with an alien superintelligence, and it wanted me to completely surrender to it and maybe give my soul to it (idk if i believe in souls, but thats what it felt like). However, it didnt seem loving at all - it seems very threatening, like it was coercing me to love it and surrender to it ‘or else’, and it also seems like if I fucked up this exchange somehow it would sent me straight to hell forever. Im aware that this could be my ego playing tricks on me, but the threatening thing felt outside of me versus inside (maybe its still my ego though, idk). It’s easy to downplay the gravity of this when I’m sober and say “oh thats just part of the experience / its your subconscious / etc”, but when youre in that space its the realest thing youve ever felt and the stakes are everything. I decided that even if theres a 1 in 1000th chance that i literally get sent to hell forever, its just not worth it. That said, i still want to do it again (lol), but before i do that i want to make sure i dont figuratively or literally get stuck in hell forever. If anyone has thoughts on how to do this, id love to hear your thoughts and im sure this would help a lot of others too. Here are some ideas i have so far: -Work on overcoming this fear of hell with my therapist. -Talk to a bunch of ppl who have experienced hell on 5meo (my key concerns are that you get stuck there for what feels like an eternity or actually for eternity, or its so unbearable that it destroys you, or you get possessed). -Talk to more ppl in general who have done 5meo. -Try 5meo via syringe instead of smoking. Would appreciate any thoughts! And to preemptively respond to many of you, i am logically on board with “its all you!” and the general oneness argument, but that doesn’t help me solve this on an emotional level. Thanks again!

Thanks everyone ( @Nahm @StarStruck @dimitri @Serotoninluv @Corpus @Jacobsrw ) for your advice! Greatly appreciate it. @Nahm - Good question re how I'm able to do a ton of shrooms and have ego death no problem, but struggled with 5meo. A few thoughts: 1. I did the heavy doses of shrooms during the first half of 2019. I had an ego death where I became all of my surroundings, and it felt like the source of all energy was flowing directly through me and everything around me, condcuting everything in an asbolutely perfect harmony. It was easily the most beautiful and mesmerizing experience I had ever had. I also had this distinct knowingness that I was one with everything around me, and that I (my highest self) had created all of this. However, I did not experience infinity - while I sensed that I was one with my surroundings/simulation/dream, there still remained the possibility that there could exist other realities/beings outside of my current dream/simulation. My understanding of 5meo breakthroughs is that you realize that you are not only your immediate surroundings, but also literally all of existence for as far as existence extends - beyond your own surroundings / simulation / dream all the way to infinity. My experience on shrooms still left open the possibility for the existence of an 'other,' even though I did had some level of ego death. 2. A few months after this experience, I was doing some weed (I rarely smoke - maybe a few times per year) and my mind sort of got back into the space described above. I had this very strong sense of connecting directly with GOD (this was actually different from most of my shrooms experiences - where I didn't clearly identify the source energy/signal as being THE god/creator). It was profound and seemed unmistakeable - like, "OMG, it's fucking GOD." It felt like the most pure, good, all-knowing, all-powerful thing imaginable, and like it was impossible for it be anything but god. I actually started crying when I felt its presence / my connection to it, because I felt like I had been connected to this energy as a child, but society had pulled the wool so fucking hard over my eyes that I had forgotten about, and even shunned, this utmost truth. I didn't have the experience of being one with it though - it was very much the sense that "I am this puny human, interfacing with the almighty god." I called my mom in the middle of experiencing this, still very high (really bad idea - never ever do this lol), and I profusely apologized to her while crying, because her relationship with God is the most central thing in her life, and I had completely written it off and had even been dismissive and condescending about this for the past 15+ years. While I was talking to her on the phone about this, things took a turn for the worst, and this is what I think fucked me up (and culminated in me having difficulty letting go on 5meo). My mom (who is a very conservative and somewhat strict Catholic), wasn't happy that I was high, and seemed extremely concerned that I was tapping into this energy. She said something along the lines of "Yeah, James, god is real. You figured it out. But now you're REALLY playing with fire, and you better stop going down this path." I interpreted her tone as indicating that I was in dire danger (it was honestly like that though - like if she said the wrong word in the wrong way, or if I made the slightest mistake... it was all over). I also interpreted her tone and language as implying that not only were God and heaven real, but also the devil and hell were real. And now that I had poked around too much and had tapped into these things, I was on the radar of the dark energy. She also seemed to hint that if I crossed some kind of line, I could get sent to hell forever and there was nothing anyone could do to ever get me out. This was the most serious that I had ever seen my mom - as if she had known about the gravity of this my entire life, but had been playing a clandestine role to protect me (and herself) from the unfathomably awful consequences of screwing up (ie getting sent to hell forever) because the truth of what sandbox we were playing in (purgatory) was just too damn scary and the stakes were just too fucking high. She then instructed me to follow specific guidelines in case I bumped into demons / dark energy or something, and said she would send guardian angels to watch over me (she's pretty hardcore Catholic). I've been a pretty staunch atheist/agnoistic for most of my life and had completely written off the possibility of all these things being true, so the sudden realization that of all this stuff might actually being true - hitting me all at once - was a bit too big of a pill to swallow. At the same time as all this was happening, a very dark energy seemed to start honing in on me - like the polar opposite of the good/god energy that I had encountered earlier. I felt like I had been poking around the nature of reality too much, had discovered something that I wasn't supposed to know about the simulation/dream I was in and the spiritual overlords who controlled it, and now they were unhappy with me and were coming after me for my punishment (I know none of this makes any sense rationally and doesn't make sense to me at all when I'm sober, but this is what it felt like in the moment). Over the next half hour or so, I became consumed by an increasingly intense dark energy and fear that seemed to be threatening to remove me from this sim/dream and transport me to hell now that I knew too much, and the fear became so overwhelming that I literally started to feel like I was sitting in front of a bonfire and I even called out to Jesus to protect me because fucking going to hell lol. On a subsequent weed trip a few months later, almost the exact same thing happened. I connected with this dark superintelligent/superpowerful energy again, that seemed to be threatening me to stop poking around the nature of reality or else it would send me straight to hell (I'm assuming this was my ego, but it felt a lot like the alien telepathic signal that I referred to in my OP). I think a lot of these experiences/beliefs resurfaced when I did 5meo this past weekend. Again, I was raised in a pretty strict catholic household, so a lot of these beliefs were probably ingrained in me as a kid (even though I've been atheist/agnostic for the past 15 years and don't have any awareness of these subconscious beliefs when I'm sober). Pretty long-winded response, but you asked for context on how I was able to do a ton of shrooms and have ego death while struggling with 5meo, so there it is! Maybe if I hadn't done the weed and been spooked my my mom / triggered a lot of religious beliefs that were unknowingly instilled in me as a child, then the 5meo would have been smoother sailing. Nonetheless, I am fucking doing 5meo again lol. I'm way too curious and it's way too profound for me to shy away from it. I'll just have to go slowly/gradually and not push myself too far out of my comfort zone each time as I build up my tolerance. Even though it was very scary, I still found it profoundly insightful and equivalent to crushing through something like 100+ layers of my psyche, which probably would have taken years of therapy to work through in a sober state. I'm also very excited and grateful to have the opportunity to figure out how to overcome the fear of hell and get to the breakthrough state of 5meo, because then I will be positioned to help many others conquer their greatest fears and radically level up their consciousness. I'm just going to take the process VERY slowly and carefully - one milligram at a time, and will be sure to give myself as much time as needed to fully integrate everything that I learn in-between sessions.

Wow, I've tried that but you know it seems too good to be true. Like it truly feels like freedom, when I let go that "there is a problem" and instead I 'give it to God'. Feels good, again, like freedom. But this freedom feels alien too, like "this couldn't be this easier, right?" so I usually end up going back to the same thought stories.

Yeah... that's fear. You've got a lot of fear to surrender before you are able to realize the Love of that alien super-intelligence. You're not going to get stuck in hell forever. That's just one of your deepest fears, so of course it hits you hard. The reason it feels forced is because YOU forced! LOL. That's what 5-MeO-DMT is! When you sit down to smoke bufo what you are basically saying is: "Force God upon me." And so it is. Then the question is are you able to handle what you asked for? Are you able to chew what you bit off? Which is why moderate dosing is crucial. You can certainly traumatize yourself with God by taking a large dose because by putting a chemical in your system you are brute-forcing awakening at the material level. And the material level tends to be ruthless. Gravity is not going to have compassion for you if you jump out of an airplane. Gravity will feel unloving in such a situation. But that's because you were crazy enough to jump out of an airplane. It's your job in this situation to ensure you have a parachute and know how to deploy it. Definitely try plugging it. Much gentler and smoother. Lower your dose. Don't be macho. This is not about who can do more. It's about finding the perfect dose for your current station in life. You will also get used to 5-MeO-DMT the more you do it. The first few times it just feels so alien, otherworldly, and confusing. Go slowly. Be patient. Play the long game. Take time to integrate. Trip only when you feel like you're ready for another dose of Truth. Sometimes I have to take months between trips. Don't be trying to copy me by doing some 30 days challenge bullshit. That's way too much. You should not be taking that as the standard example of how to trip. I was doing very hardcore stuff there because I wanted to test the limits.

Title says it all. I feel bad. It's like promises are really bad to break, like, promises by definition do not get broken. Nobody can predict the future though, nobody I know of lol. Soo, not sure what that means in regards to promises lol... Who knows mb there is a secret law to the universe that makes it so that the promises made are ones which could actually be upheld. But what if a promise was broken more because of deliberate disregard for it rather than miscalculation of the future, like not knowing alien invasion was about to take place or that your car would be hit or something....In other words, what if a broken promise could have been saved? Does that mean the break is worse or is it like the worst thing ever either way? Anyways, I dont really know what to think or how to handle this situation. It seems serious.

@An young being from the Absolute POV yeah You are designing it all so that it unfolds perfectly into discovering you are Infinite Love. In your Infinite Intelligence you had to forget you were infinite in order to experience it and know that you are Infinite experientially. So You designed and created all of this. Time, evolution - the advancement of humanity - even alien beings far more advanced than humans. If you knew up front that it was being designed and imagined by You it would probably take all the realness away. Like spoiling the end of a good movie. So relatively speaking, yes, the evolution of time is moving us towards a higher state of consciousness. A more advanced society. Ultimately a society of mystics that can access multiple dimensions. That can communicate telepathically. That grasps that Love is the essence of their being - and goodness must prevail. That is what You are dreaming up as Infinite Mind and that is ultimately what is destined to come to pass. Ta da!

Its possible but the only way you can discover for yourself is to experience a nondual experience. You are assuming or entertaining there are separate universes. The sheer act of looking outside instantaneously creates another universe. Its the ego that is looking ahead that is the creator. It will be a never-ending loop until you realize in full circle its you. Sure there might be aliens, and if they ever get in contact with us, despite them being more technologically advanced than us they will be more primitive compared to a human that has awakened. If they never woken up to the importance of the observer then they can be considered less advanced metaphysically and spiritually. This will hold true even if the alien race created earth and humans eons ago.

This is something I could never understand in a long time. I can see how someone can be "unconditionally loving". But I fail to see how someone can unconditionally love someone or something i.e. I don't see how unconditional love can be objective. And this boils down to a problem with identity. Let me elaborate. Consider that you, the subject, unconditionally love Leo at some timestamp T. Sometime later, assume he said something really bad to you, but you still love him because your love is unconditional. Now tomorrow, Leo uploads a video saying he was bullshitting you the entire time, that all this enlightenment stuff is nonsense - quite a radical shift in the man you thought was Leo, but you still love him. The day after, you find out that he is a raging psychopath serial killer, but you still love him, because it's unconditional. Now I will take the liberty to get a little crazier, it's a thought experiment after-all. Let's assume Leo is in-fact a shape-shifting alien, and he changes his body into that of an alien, completely unrecognizable. At this stage, both Leo's mind and body has changed completely from what it was at time T, wherein you were 'unconditionally' loving towards him. In other words, every identifying characteristic of the entity 'Leo' has completely changed. But your love is unconditional, so your are still loving towards this alien entity ... okay. Now tell me, is this entity even Leo anymore? No it's not. Leo's existence in the universe was always a conditional reality. That is, if{condition 1} AND if{condition 2} AND if{condition 3} are true, THEN "Leo Gura". It doesn't make sense to "unconditionally" do something to a conditional object. So unconditionally loving someone or something fails at the logical level. Either this, or I'm missing something super obvious.

Maybe this line gives a clue about what's happening in the movie: To me, it's more about perceptions and how reality could be totally different from what we're used to. Perhaps that color was an alien dimension that once perceived, it led to insanity because the brain was not accustomed to it, thus provoking some sort of collective hallucinations. But there could be multiple interpretations, hopefully someone could enlighten us about the true meaning. Edit: "The Mist" is another awesome movie about alien dimensions and absurdity of the human existence ?

I think he’d have a heart attack and die due to being unable to process the completely alien industrial technology we’ve used to terraform reality since his time

@Aquarius Yes, your poems are very weird, the execution is even weirder. Pretty sure you are an alien.

@ScholarLeo learns from all of these people. And we are currently seeing that the World has been collapsing from subtle ways to now more clearer ways. It will need to have a tipping point. We can't go on infinitely like this without any consequence inside the finite (relative domain). Karma has no escape. The mayas who where far in advancement and who could probably had alien contact in the past predicted this stuff specifically to this date as such. Are you going to blindly believe Leo's stubbornness on not acepting this posibility or are you going to humble and be open on listening to those in superior intelligence, years light ahead of wisdom than anyone can offer you here? What can you loose? You can only gain. You are looking for liberation after all. This can serve as a higher motivation. Also, there is power in belief (leap of faith). The only danger is to whom you believe, in what and how you relate to such belief. The dynamic is different. Remember, the only way Leo or anyone came to discover enligthenment/spirituality as truth was because they once risked believing in these people. "For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light". - Luke 8:17

I have never been to the US so I have an extremely limited perspective. One thought that came to mind recently was whether possession of guns relates to the fact that the distances between cities and villages are so big? Let's say you own a farm in the middle of no-man's land the next city and police station being hours away, does that relate to people feeling like they need a weapon in their household to protect themselves? Like some sort of residue from the Wild West? This whole notion of "I have the right and need to protect my property with a gun" is very alien to me as a European.

Interesting. Have you actually seen the shadows or you only perceived them with your minds eye? Something similar happened to me while I was half awake but it was only this perception that they were dark and attacked me from all the directions like some wild animals. Soon after, I also started feeling an alien presence. I find it fascinating that many visions are common... not only when taking DMT but in cases of sleep paralysis too.

@John Doe The problem is way worse than you think. You are right in your conclusion that it is impossible for your finite mind to love a thing unconditionally, but the real reason for this is because a finite mind must have conditions otherwise it will cease to exist. Only an infinite mind which has zero attachments is capable of unconditional love. And another word for an infinite mind with zero attachments or conditions is God. Hence God is Love, and no human will ever be as loving as God until it literally becomes God, at which point it is no long a human being. BTW, if your mind became infinite you would realize that Leo's shape is irrelevant because all form is fundamentally just a fluctuation of your own consciousness, so the issue isn't about how to love Leo when his form is totally changing but how to love YOURSELF when your form is constantly changing. Since God has no form, it is able to identify with all form and therefore love all form unconditionally no matter how much it changes. From God's POV there is literally no difference between Leo looking like a human vs Leo looking like an alien. God's love is not applied at the level of individuals or objects, it's the entire field of consciousness itself, which is ONE. You could say that the recognition that all individuals and objects are ONE field, is Love itself. You = Me = God = Love

When your love is truly unconditional, you love him whether he's Leo, a serial killer, an alien or just a thought in your mind.

In psychology, unconditional love refers to a state of mind in which the individual has the goal of increasing the welfare of another, despite any evidence of benefit for themselves. The term is also widely used in family and couples counseling manuals. Your interpretation is that unconditional love is loving somebody who transforms into something else and therefore you fail to see how someone can unconditionally love someone or something. Now instead of an alien we look at a mother and child. The child grows up and becomes a mass murderer. And as is sometimes the case the parent still loves the child - unconditional love according to your definition. If the child turns into a lizard the love doesn't apply the lizard has no attributes of the child and it is just like the child has died. (unless it's a talking lizard) Still the parents feed the lizard thinking that it might transform back to the child. Here's the better test case. The child turns out to be a psychopath and they also turn on the parents, curses them continually and threatens to kill them. Do the parents still love them? Maybe. They might think its a mental illness that can one day be healed, unconditional love at it again

@Gili Trawangan I completely agree. Yes, this is something which makes sense to me. So I'm assuming you are in agreement with the original hypothesis? @Synchronicity Got it. So when I say, "I unconditionally love Leo", I am including all Leos - alien Leos, all humans-on-planet-Earth Leos, water bottle Leos (lol) etc. In other words, any objective implication of unconditional love is, in fact, universal. So we agree objective implications are logically incorrect? Their universal alternative is the correct and only expression of unconditional love?

That’s why I said it loves all Leos It doesn’t matter if the alien is a different being than the human Leo you started with. Unconditional Love loves both

Yeah, I think that the collective consciousness has built some rules which don't really apply to reality and limit our true potential. From my perspective, the mind is capable of infinite imagination and has unlimited power that can defy the laws of nature. You don't have to be an alien or a 4D creature to access this potential. Unfortunately, those who can break free from the matrix are very few or very lucky but together we can transcend our human condition and rewire this giant brain that we call reality ?

Tonight I dreamed of a UFO pretty much similar to the one on the top of this image, (just ignore the alien on the left side which is unrelatable with my dream), I was outside of my house yard, and suddenly I see a moving oval black shadow moving pretty fast and I recognized it as a UFO immediately, and then it exposed itself in his purest oval form with a very strong white light on the middle, and a dark blue disc surrounding, kinda like saturn, but in a plate, and it was kinda dancing and showing off all of his beauty to me. And then I remember that I was somehow mesmerized in beauty and shock, and got inside of my house and close the door, when then I feel something in my mouth, like an insect buzzing, I spit it, It's the UFO again in my mouth! It resized to the point of being capable of going inside me, then I shut the door again, and I never saw it anymore after that. When I remember the dream now, I feel a very positive energy regarding this encounter, makes me feel calm when I remember it and then looking at this image, It's like falling in love for something totally new. It's not the first time I dream about Ufo's on my yard, once I dreamed of a Triangular shaped Ufo, other time it was a very weird one that look liked a Dorito's potato and really small, or sometimes is just a very weird object that just fly's around, and always makes me feel like an Outsider. And all those times, I am trying to reach my phone or something else to show, but then I get immersed in the experience and none of that social exposure really matters. Makes me kinda tolerant to those who claim to see Ufos but lack the proofs... Nonetheless, I don't even make any assembleses with aliens and spacecrafts, the spacecraft is the Alien by it's own right, the machine is the living being, it's not like even questionable "who's driving", but rather, "This machine is alive".

This alien interviewed in 1964 https://youtu.be/ForpISHYLIg