Leo, how much do looks influence a man's attractiveness

[Consept]

17 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I have a friend who is very spiritual, also fan of Leo. He has this thing he calls presence or awarness where if you lock eyes with him you basically "get lost in them", time freezes and you feel this weird sensation which I do not know how to properly describe in words. I had the same sensation but 100x stronger under magic truffles. I am a straight guy but even still that charms me. I can only imagine being a girl what it must be like.

And he is normal looking guy. It is pure awareness and spiritual magic he does.

I can replicate it to a smaller extent with certain people I have chemistry with (gay guys or girls) but it is not as in command or as strong as he has it.

I think it is a trainable skill. Basically being present in the moment and using ur energy.

Out of all the people that do daygame he has arguably the highest conversation ratio I have ever seen. It is rare for him to be blown out and usually a conversations ends with a number or at least a good 5-10 minute talk. 

Oh you're talking about spiral eyes.

But really it's just presence, it does definitely work

[thierry]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Owen is full of shit. Owen does not get many girls. He struggles to get them. Because of his looks.

You have to understand that pickup coaches are very biased and untruthful people. They either straight out lie to their students or they themselves are deluded by years of pickup brainwashing.

Also, if you notice, most of the successful pickup coaches are good looking extroverts. It's not merely their game that's doing the work. Similar to how successful bodybuilders are also coasting off great genetics and fooling you into thinking that it's all their hard work at the gym. No matter how much a regular guy hits the gym he will never be Arnold Schwarzeneggar. Because Arnold had peak genetics that enabled everything else. But fools think that it was all just hard work. You can't hard work you way into peak genetics. Which is why actors, musicians, athletes, and models get paid so much money. It's not just because they work hard. It's because they have peak genetics which 99% can't have. This makes them incredibly valuable comodities.

Spiritually successful people also coast off their peak genetics, in case you haven't noticed. And so do the best intellectuals. All these things are grounded in having the right genetics. And then these people fool you into thinking otherwise. Many times they themselves are unaware of their innate advatages because they are too close to them.

You can deny this all you want but in the end it's the truth.

Be ware, if you turn this truth into a victim mentality, that's on you. I am not saying to do that. My only concern here is how reality actually works, not how you feel about it and how you need it to be for your sake.

Can’t psychedelics and good diet and environment have a transformational effect on your genetic ? 

[Thought Art]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Owen is bullshitting you about that in the Blueprint. Because he is selling guys on the idea of game. You have to be aware of his biases and agenda. His agenda is NOT truth.

Okay… well, your state does matter. 
 

I am not saying all guys are equal but your state does matter for getting laid. Your personality, etc matters… 

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, thierry said:

Can’t psychedelics and good diet and environment have a transformational effect on your genetic ? 

No.

16 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Okay… well, your state does matter. 

I never said it doesn't.

[Rishabh R]

@Leo Gura How to be confident when I have never dated before ? Is it authenticity which means being true to yourself and then others ?

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

@Leo Gura How to be confident when I have never dated before ? Is it authenticity which means being true to yourself and then others ?

You're not going to be confident. Confidence comes from experience.

So just do your best and work hard to gain experience. Confidence will come naturally from that effort.

[mmKay]

 

[Thought Art]

Most importantly, go out and get real experience I think. Your mind is full of shit and you’re better off going out, getting real experience. And plenty of it.

[Rishabh R]

@Leo Gura so I must I focus on my efforts which is talking to girls for years which I am doing despite getting rejected. And also is it true for exams also ( tommorow I have an exam) that I must focus on my preparation not the marks cause they are out of my control?

[Thought Art]

@Rishabh R Basically, focus on the habits the create the result. The process, and getting experience. 
 

 

[PenguinPablo]

On 2/24/2024 at 6:43 PM, Consept said:

Looks are important but for a man there's plenty you can do to enhance that, wardrobe, grooming, gym etc. 

What I would say is the number 1 factor is true confidence, meaning you know you're cool, you fully believe that anyone would enjoy being around you and that any girl could be attracted to you. There are many factors but I think if you had confidence at a 10 it would be more impactful than any other factor. 

This guys homeless but super confident, can't tell if he's good looking or not though 

 

He's above average (7) in looks, charismatic, and intelligent but didn't turn out so well years down the line! 

Edited February 26 by PenguinPablo

[Hello from Russia]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Beauty at the non-metaphysical level is just stuff that promotes survival.

You are talking about the metaphysical level, which is a tricky matter to explicate.

Something along the lines big tits are good for breastfeeding?

Edited February 26 by Hello from Russia

[k-ahmadzadeh]

@Rishabh R If you are constantly rejected, it means you need to change something. That doesn't sound reasonable to repeat same things and getting same results. I don't your situation, but the general advice is to improve looks and finance. Additionally, traveling to developing countries can help. I directly observe that relationship requirements of Middle Eastern women are significantly lower than of European women. 

[Zen LaCroix]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 Owen does not get many girls. He struggles to get them. Because of his looks. 

How do you know this?

[RendHeaven]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Owen is a worldclass bullshitter. Owen does not get many girls. He struggles to get them. Because of his looks.

You have to understand that pickup coaches are very biased and untruthful people. They either straight out lie to their students or they themselves are deluded by years of pickup brainwashing.

Also, if you notice, most of the successful pickup coaches are good looking extroverts. It's not merely their game that's doing the work. Similar to how successful bodybuilders are also coasting off great genetics and fooling you into thinking that it's all their hard work at the gym. No matter how much a regular guy hits the gym he will never be Arnold Schwarzeneggar. Because Arnold had peak genetics that enabled everything else. But fools think that it was all just hard work. You can't hard work you way into peak genetics. Which is why actors, musicians, athletes, and models get paid so much money. It's not just because they work hard. It's because they have peak genetics which 99% can't have. This makes them incredibly valuable comodities.

Spiritually successful people also coast off their peak genetics, in case you haven't noticed. And so do the best intellectuals. All these things are grounded in having the right genetics. And then these people fool you into thinking otherwise. Many times they themselves are unaware of their innate advatages because they are too close to them.

You can deny this all you want but in the end it's the truth.

Be ware, if you turn this truth into a victim mentality, that's on you. I am not saying to do that. My only concern here is how reality actually works, not how you feel about it and how you need it to be for your sake.

@Jason Actualization Oh boy

[Consept]

2 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

He's above average (7) in looks, charismatic, and intelligent but didn't turn out so well years down the line! 

Not sure I'd peg him at a 7 but of course it's subjective, his height probably helps as well. 

But I agree his charisma and intelligence in his situation, is the main factor, if he didn't have that and was just homeless he would not get any girls. 

Unfortunate he had his addiction problems, there are obviously some deeper issues at play. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

Something along the lines big tits are good for breastfeeding?

Why do you care about tits at all?

Think about it.

[kamill]

@Leo Gura So you have been doing pickup for more than 10 years and only recently you got realization that looks are major factor in dating.

Interesting a year ago you claimed it is only about 10 percent.

Such a drastic change. What has change ?

[joeyi99]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Owen is a worldclass bullshitter. Owen does not get many girls. He struggles to get them. Because of his looks.

You have to understand that pickup coaches are very biased and untruthful people. They either straight out lie to their students or they themselves are deluded by years of pickup brainwashing.

Also, if you notice, most of the successful pickup coaches are good looking extroverts. It's not merely their game that's doing the work. Similar to how successful bodybuilders are also coasting off great genetics and fooling you into thinking that it's all their hard work at the gym. No matter how much a regular guy hits the gym he will never be Arnold Schwarzeneggar. Because Arnold had peak genetics that enabled everything else. But fools think that it was all just hard work. You can't hard work you way into peak genetics. Which is why actors, musicians, athletes, and models get paid so much money. It's not just because they work hard. It's because they have peak genetics which 99% can't have. This makes them incredibly valuable comodities.

Spiritually successful people also coast off their peak genetics, in case you haven't noticed. And so do the best intellectuals. All these things are grounded in having the right genetics. And then these people fool you into thinking otherwise. Many times they themselves are unaware of their innate advatages because they are too close to them.

You can deny this all you want but in the end it's the truth.

Be ware, if you turn this truth into a victim mentality, that's on you. I am not saying to do that. My only concern here is how reality actually works, not how you feel about it and how you need it to be for your sake.

Vadim from Honest Signalz I would say is an exception for pickup coach despite being taller than average. He is the embodiment of attractive masculine behaviours.  

[Jason Actualization]

6 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Most importantly, go out and get real experience I think. Your mind is full of shit and you’re better off going out, getting real experience. And plenty of it.

Bingo. Action over intellect my friends.

Sean Connery has an epic line in a 1996 film (The Rock) in response to Nicholas Cage who says "I'll do my best." His response was, "Your best? Losers whine about their best; winners go home and f*ck the prom queen." Stop strategizing like an air traffic controller and just land the f*cking plane.

4 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

@Jason Actualization Oh boy

Indeed. Much of these assertions are demonstrably false, i.e., people close enough to Owen's circle are well aware of his social prowess.

In general, yes, pickup coaches are biased and often times untruthful, but we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 

Also, yes, genetics are incredibly important, going along with the examples, in explaining outliers who operate at the peak of their place in society, be it bodybuilders, actors, spiritual gurus or intellectuals. That said, pickup, in contrast to these other areas of expertise which all have sizeable populations of people who have devoted their lives to, is far less competitive. Becoming a top 0.1% (1 in 1000) male at cold approach is in reach for >99% of guys within a couple of years (at worst) if they went as hard as other people do in pursuing, for example, their career in acting or philosophizing. Appearance absolutely matters, but self image and by extension, confidence, reigns supreme and is overwhelmingly the showstopper for most gents.

For myriad reasons, declining testosterone and false societal programming (not least from increasingly "woke" media) among them, women RARELY get stone cold sober approached nowadays, and more often than not when they do, it is a mentally compromised, homeless man, for example, whistling at them.

The bottom line is, because the primary barrier to entry to mastering cold approach is surrendering one's ego and embracing feedback and rejection, it is a game that's easier (relative to "games" that have more "players" such as physique development) to win because nobody else wants to play, and thereby the influence of genetics gets stymied. The question is, are you the protagonist playing the game, putting your own skin into it, or are you still merely spectating?