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I'm sorry there Is no way that one can have nothing to do with the other, when my crown chakra blew open I sat in a state of bliss for 3-5 minutes, at that moment I tasted dare I say a few minutes of enlightenment/mystical experience at some level, also there have been books written on the correlations of the two @arhattobe

Whatever that line of development is, see that if it is in 'time', then that means it is ego and delusion all over again. To call things after Enlightenment as 'development' can be misleading. The basic premise is Reality is already perfect as it is. It is our delusion, clinging and unclear seeing that makes up all this friction and suffering. When one relinquishes all that, Reality flows like always. It is not like an 'entity' somewhere making plans and vision and working towards making Reality perfect; toiling towards making Reality as infinite love, bliss, wisdom etc..this just sounds absurd. Also if you wanna bring in the ox herding analogy, see that after the 5th stage (Taming the bull aka real unbroken abidance aka Enlightenment), there is no place for effort, doing, plans etc as we normally understand these terms. There is no ox herder working his butt off and reaching to 10th stage after stage 5. His days are long gone after stage 5 lol

Disconnect from the digital world and find bliss in connecting the Heart with the source. There, is no more boredom, even if you are hungry

I went through this stuff and still do to an extent for the last 20 years and I attribute it to all of the above. It seems the changing/evolving of perception/energy/wisdom is a never ending thing for me, which has taken a long time for me to accept since its been a real cause of pain and bliss, but somehow the mind holds onto pain more for me, atleast subconsciously it seems.

Enlightenment anytime. Immortality? Knowing the secret truth of reality? Peace of mind? Bliss beyond the egos wildest dreams? Teleportation?! Pffftttt

I have this fear that mixed with anxiety and can develop into a panic attack (a light one but still really uncomfortable) after i realized that nothing exists outside everything i see in the now, so this means that when i am in my room, this room now is the whole reality and this is kind of a freaky thought, If i use psychedelics (even weed) it is almost certain that i will think about it and freak out a little about this kind of solipsism. One time i was with a group of 8 people and we entered an elevator with no mirrors, only thick fabric and i had smoked weed and when i realized that we were all kind of getting traped on this metal cubic and in that moment, it was all that really was i had a panic attack for a few seconds until the doors open, it was a feeling of extreme claustrophobia. Had a really deep mushrooms+lsd trip recently that shocked me a little (at first, there was bliss) with the ramifications of what i saw, i may have been thinking only into the "bad side" of it. How can i deal with realizations of deep existential truths?

I literally laughed out loud when I read a poster named @Truth Addict asking what's so special about truth, such a beautiful irony. Then as I'm reading this post that appears to be a kind of checklist of spiritual things to say I am wondering if all this is where you are at it sounds pretty amazing to be, just be at peace with it. Although, where you are really at seeps through your words, you aren't at peace with it, you are still desiring something more. This is the core of our discontent and can lead to suffering, the existential yearning that motivates all of our desire and craving. Quenching this yearning will bring a peace that transcends all meaning. If you are at peace in just being and the existential yearning has been quenched there is a fulfillment that creates the presence in which anything we experience is enough, there is no wanting more or something else. To quench the yearning is through appreciation of what is, simply savoring and enjoying the moment for what it is. If you had this 'existential bliss' there would be no questions to ask, no 'what's next' or 'what more', you would experience the whole, the fullness of it all. Which may sound like the opposite of the emptiness you asked about but in unity there is no difference between them, it's all one, it's complete. This....so concisely put.

I think mixing mdma with a psychedelic is a great way to learn to love the effects of the psychedelic you're taking. But I've tried it only only with weed. Weed often reminds me of negative memories. Mdma makes me feel happy and thankful for every experience. Mixing these two made me realize that one of the reasons why I was born was to feel the bliss of forgiving life for everything that has ever happened. In one moment I just forgave everything. I can't describe the feeling I felt when I let go of all the weight of all my resentments.

@Tony 845 I'm not enlightened, but I intuit that's its possible to get rid of anxiety and depression. In your consciousness you're experiencing all sorts of sensations, pressures, emotions, different senses, and etc. For some reason, we ascribe a positive meaning to some sensations and a negative meaning to other sensations. This ascription of meaning happens at a subconscious and conscious level. The raw sensation of something negative, e.g. anxiety, isn't inherently bad. You could perhaps say that "objectively speaking", a negative sensation/feeling/emotion isn't inherently bad. To say that the raw sensation of fear is worse than the feeling of (insert arbitrarily chosen pleasurable sensation,e. G. Sexual stimulation) is to say that the colour red is objectively superior to the colour blue, when in reality both these colours are equal in their "objective" status. I was meditating earlier today and felt I went deep. I was at first blissfull, then depressed after meditation ended, and now blissfull again. And I was feeling extremely down earlier, but through being mindful it's gone. The only way for you to get rid of a negative emotion is to fully accept the negative emotion and see it for what it is. Right now, there are negative sensations for me but I have equanimity and optimism about it. Your depression might get temporarily worse for short periods of time from doing meditation since your old neurotic motivational structures can abruptly collapse. The whole process of purification through mindfullness is essentially outlined in this video. You let the negativity engulf every cubic centimeter of your body and it is then that you'll realise that it ain't all that bad: At the deepest levels of enlightenment, you're probably gonna be in a state of peaceful of bliss. I think that at that point, the fact that there is existence at all feels beautiful beyond words and all contents of your consciousness feel good.

@FoxFoxFox I first heard it from Rupert Spira. See if it resonates with you or not. Atma-Vichara or Self-inquiry really has 2 faces which complement one another. 1) the 1st part is actually the philosophical and experiential inquiry and seeing what you are not (neti neti). In this step, you see that everything you are aware of cannot be you. Thus you come to the conclusion that you wrote where you don't identify with anything but yet still 'I AM' is undoubtedly present. This is what Rupert calls establishing the Presence of dis-identified, formless Awareness. We all have glimpses of it through self-inquiry. In the modern advaita scene, this is what is regarded as Enlightenment but actual Advaita Vedanta doesn't acknowledge that. There is another step to go. 2) the 2nd step is where your understanding permeates completely with the 'Nature' of this Awareness. At this step Atma-vichara becomes self-abidance, not repeated questioning and dis-identifying as you've already done that. Now you can just go to that dis-identified Awareness in less than a second. This step involves just this: As this abidance deepens continuously, the inherent nature of Awareness like unlocatedness, undisturbed, having no lack, fulfilled in itself, utterly one with experience aka love etc. are recognized and these qualities permeate the entirety of your experience, leaving no possibility of doubts whatsoever. This right here, the exploration and abidance in the nature of Awareness is regarded as Enlightenment according to the scriptures. You are not intellectually brainwashing yourself or trying to find the promised bliss. It all results spontaneously from being with this dis-identified 'I AM' knowledge. So as you can see, anyone can question openmindedly and have a glimpse of the 1st step. But that's not Enlightenment yet. It's the abidance and marinating on this knowing that results in Enlightenment. And that usually takes time (1-3 years depending on how serious and how constantly you're doing it without re-identifying with new objects)

If I say, I am aware of my own self-awareness, that is not saying that I identify with self-awareness. I believe this: is synonymous with saying In absence of conception - a mind that grasps at things and labels - this is the experience one has. But how is this liberation? How is this peace? How is this bliss? Additionally, The question, what is the nature of this "I" who is aware is so far left unanswered. It is as if we are inquiring into something that is forever ethereal. Then how can we define its nature? There is no conceptual framework that i know of that can produce satisfying answers. Moreover, i never strive to find an answer in terms of words. The confusion could perhaps be stated like this: What is the authority behind this rule of self-inquiry? Why can't what is perceived be simultaneously the source of awareness?

I noticed today that I got my best results from posing questions "What am I?" "Who is aware?" Followed by as deep of surrender as I can, every once in a while i can feel myself dissolve into bliss a bit stronger than before, so I'm pretty excited and really vouche for this

With a deep enough enlightenment there should be no depression. Depression is mostly the result of improper psychology, not some permanently bad brain chemistry. The bad brain chemistry is mostly caused by improper psychology, diet, and lifestyle. A practice like Kriya yoga will also rewire your brain and can create ecstatic bliss.

Day 16: 5/10 - I Relapsed Hahahaha im really exctied, hear me out til the end! I was productive today, but it was labor work so I was not that entustiastic to work, so at the end of the day, I thought of taking a hot shower rather than a cold shower, just to relax. This was my reward. Usually when I take hot showers I masturbate in the bathtub, but I deliberately set the intention to not touch my dick, just to enjoy the shower itself I ended up doing some "experiments", Note: The "experiment" mentality is what I have found to be one of the sneakiest games the mind plays on me, starting with small and convenient actions that seduces me to then builds up to a relapse... I stimulated my nipples and suddenly my dick got hard, but I was not drawn to touching it, but it was really interesting, when I touched my nipples, I got all of this sexual energy! Out of curiosity I went with it, I stimulated both my nips while breathing into the sexual energy, breathing down the front and exhaling up the spine, and it felt good, too good. I ended up stimulating the nips more trying to recreate that state of sexual energy bliss, but it didnt work. I had in mind the experiment mentality, always thinking to myself that it wont end in a relapse, I even thought of going to the journal and writing about how my streak is going smoothly, but I didnt want to withdraw yet, the warmth felt too good. I was so into experimenting, I tried stuff I have never done, such as trying to spurt water into my peehole using the hose, after doing that for a little while it got pretty predictable and boring.. I ended up with the hose spraying down water on my exposed glans, and that alone actually got me near the edge (never happend before), and at that moment I thought that I would be able to orgasm without ejaculating (Mantak Chia style), but that didnt work and I ejaculated without touching my dick (Huge load, shit!) I admit, I gave into it all, I got into this self deceptive loop of "experiment mentality" and ended up orgasming. Looking back, I did my best, and I ended up spilling my milk like it was fully out of my control, the hot shower was doomed to fail. Takeaways: I really really want to continue this challenge! Im actually fucking ecstatic to continue this challenge, like Im certain that this roadblock is defeated. Due to the lack of control (and really lack of touch and fantasy), I would actually want to consider this on the level of a wet dream, but it technically isn't. Im not beating myself up, I have 0 guilt, I am actually more excited about this challenge now as I can take into account one more pitfall. I have the same willpower to resist cravings, I feel on the verge of integrating this as a lifestyle, where as in the past, all willpower was coming from me having a streak, being on a challenge or having an accountability partner, but now I feel like the source of my willpower is coming from a vision of what I can be, I am ready to let go and move into the lifestyle of NeverNut. This is the peak of masculine power!! I also really want to keep sharing this journey with you guys, im not gonna quit this journal, and certainly not this path! Action steps for future hot showers: Maximum 20 minutes, If I intentionally touch my penis (except for cleaning) during the shower, I will have to switch the water to cold immediately. My friends, I have technically relapsed, and although this experience(lessons) was so damn beneficial for me, this is the end of my streak. Tomorrow I will have to reset the count (If I dont, my self trust coming from this journal will diminish, and the motivation coming from this journal will disappear) I love you all! <3

This is all deep misunderstanding that comes from the belief that it is the body-mind that is enlightened. It is not. It is not the mind that is "in total peace and bliss," but the Self that is peace and bliss, and is so even when the mind seems roiled by feelings of pain, sadness, and so on. Jesus on the cross cried out "My God, my god, why have you forsaken me?" The Buddha felt back pain and reacted to it by stretching his back. In the Hindu scriptures, even the great enlightened divine sages feel depressed and even suicidal from time to time. This is all at the superficial mind level. The enlightened one does not define himself or herself by emotions.

Enlightened being who's beyond his body and mind. Who has no identification with the body would not scream when being stabbed. Yes he would feel pain. But would not react to it because he is totally detached from it. In his experience stabbing is not even happening to him, because he's not the body and he knows that. Thus mind would be in total peace and bliss. No screaming or any kind of suffering is possible in enlightened being. Such a one who's completly unidentified with his body. Could take his eyeballs with bare hands and thorw it away. If you think that's crazy it's because you have delusions about what enlightenment is. I suggest to everyone who thinks this is crazy to contemplate what having 0 identification with the body really means. And I mean WHAT IT REALLY REALLY MEANS.

Yes I did. I know this video. This line doesn't reject the fact that self realization is the end suffering. PS: Also Nisargadatta had cancer, he said himself that he doesn't suffering and is in peace and bliss.

You don't know what you are talking about because you don't know what realizing your true nature means. You still have a spiritual ego. your ego is getting a hold of you. You probably don't meditate to realize your true nature and be in a state of permanent peace bliss. You enjoy suffering like most people. talk a lot. do so little to end it.

The higher self represents pure love, spiritual enlightenment, Truth, oneness, joy and bliss. I want that for all of you, to realise that you are one with this higher self in this moment. To appreciate the depth of this video while watching, please follow what is said as best as you can. This is the new paradigm of spirituality that the world is moving into, where we find ourselves within, instead of putting a guru, a teacher, or healing modalities between yourself and God. Namaste. Much love has been discovered inside me over the past few months, and this is the teachings that helped me. Thus I share with the intention for even one soul to benefit, and I realise that the impulse to share this too is no coincidence. Everything truly is love you might come to find one day, and that I am one with it.

They are apparently different. Fundamentally, all techniques aim at the same thing. "Quieting the monkey mind", "Eternal bliss" "Enlightenment" are like carrots for our donkey. Choose the carrot you prefer most and follow it, see if this path works for you, if not you are free to change it at any point.

@Matt8800 Thank you for your kind. I also would like to try psychedelic, however in China it's illegal, people who take it would be arrested. So, I am wondering does it have alternative way to substitute psychedelic so that I can have a taste of the sudden enlightenment ? Is Shamanic Breathing an alternative one that Leo had introduced in a video? But I saw some people say this kind of breathing could shorten for life expectancy and harm health. Also, can you share some meditation skills, I find my mind wandering so often,so hard to calm down to gain peace and bliss during meditation. Thank you so much .

Focussing on one thing, concentration in one thing only, feeds the EGO, builds a heavier wall. Letting go of focus and be everywhere with Breath, just breathe! brings constant state of bliss.

@Tony 845 I find at the 2 hour mark I am completely at peace with the present, in bliss and my body feels amazing. How do you know if your Kundalini is awoken?

@Greg O don't take the thing I say about Zen too literally. I'm saying that's one way Zen portrays it. It has nothing to do with Zen p/say. And in a sense yes. Have you noticed that all because you're enlightened that doesn't mean you behave and act like every other enlightened person? Of course they don't. Shinzen Young doesn't behave as let's say Christ. One of the powerful things that's powerful and really helpful with enlightenment experiences and this entire spiritual work in general is that you start to discover what you truly want, what are your true genuine authentic motives and passions, etc. Not what you were programmed with when you were young with movies, TV, video games, fiction books, parental and societal programming and values and so on. This stuff manifests in different ways for different people. Which is why enlightenment work is so important because it's how you start living an authentic genuine life. I remember in Leo's interview with Ralston Leo brought up the common concern people have of if someone get's enlightened then they'll have to change their life and Ralston said, 'this is not true. You wouldn't have to change your life. You'd want to change your life. That's very different." This theme of the 10th Ox Herding picture is also a good example of why a lot of Zen holds the Bodhisattva higher than the Arhat who just abides in some nondual bliss.

@Greg O i don't know about you, but when enlightenment takes place within me I'm Gona be using my spiritual wisdom as much as possible to help people. However this is not my goal, enlightenment is my goal. Nothing else. I think it would be better to see this story for its principles, as opposed to its literal content (like you would do with the Bible as a spiritual seeker). Don't worry about what happens after enlightenment, I have no doubt both of our expectations for enlightenment will be CATASTROPHICALLY underestimated. From my glimpses, it's not just good....it's not just bliss, it's like...the concept of "bliss" shits itself at the raw presence of god...to literally BE God with a capital G. I've said it before, what we are doing here is rather literally, creating prophets of God. You will know what you need to do when you are enlightened.