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So THIIIIISSSSS is why you want to ruthlessly murder innocent aliens!!!!! Wow, I'm so glad I saw this. I'm sorry for calling you a chimp yesterday, I was thinking about what I said later on after I posted it and while I haven't changed my opinion on the whole alien thing, the other stuff was unneeded and made you even more defensive. We were both being shitty in some ways to relative degrees. God DAMN do you need to do some shamanic breathing to release that trauma and start melting away your materialist and rationalist ideologies! You do you and you do it when and if you're ready because it's sum RADICAL shit, my broah. Baby step it. I struggle greatly with socializing too because I have asperger's syndrome but doing yoga, shamanic breathing, hypnosis e.t.c. has and is continuing to make a difference. Sorry again for calling you a chimp.

Another thing to consider is how it could be that our perceived duality between life vs technology ceases to apply to the beings at question. It could be that their vehicles aren't actually vehicles, but rather extended parts of their bodies and minds, and ultimately consciousness. The UFO could be part of the body of whatever is controlling the UFO. It could be that the surface of the UFO has receptors for all wavelengths of light, so it could be like a spherical eye that communicates information directly to the mind of the alien. Maybe the UFO itself is sensitive to hundreds and hundreds of different aspects of reality, expressed within the alien mind as hundreds of different perceptions. If we were to say that we have a 100 sense perceptions, the UFO could have millions. Even stranger is that the mind of the alien might be so organic and adaptive that it could experience different kinds of information expressed within different dimensions of perception. You know how some people can "see" music? It could be that a single kind of information, like for example different wave-lengths of light, could be expressed within the alien mind as thousands of different perceptions at once, all giving it different kinds of insights into the nature of what it is experiencing. I just want to hammer down the idea that the kind of mind we are talking about here could not even be remotely comparable to what a human mind is. It wouldn't be a brain, determined in it's structure and function. What you perceive to be an ultimate reality, is not an utlimate reality. Everything about you as a human being, about what you deem to be logical, possible, coherent, all of these things are biological limitations. Your perception of Self, your sense that there is a world, a universe, other entities, time and space, all of these might be confines which the mind of the alien is not subjugated by. What you think is self-evident and what is so mundane that you do not even notice it, that might be nothing but a limitation which an advanced organism might have long abandoned. By long I mean that they might have abandoned it millions and millions of years ago. So from a point which is already so foreign to us that we could not even imagine what it would be like, it could be that they have spend millions of years advancing and becoming more and more foreign.

Are you sure that you were abducted by gray aliens and it wasn't just a dream? I've had lots of weird experiences and still can't be 100% that it wasn't just my imagination. And you said that your brother scared you with alien stories prior to this experience, so maybe that's the reason you had that dream.

I think its more useful to ask why hadn't any alien spaceships been shot down yet? With all the crazy impulsive people that ruled throughout the past century like Hitler and Stalin and Kim Jong . Its weird that their not interested in aliens or at least thats what it seems . Something fishy about it I think

Dude, we are simply not shooting down aliens. Period. Let it flow. The issue is that your whole paradigm is centered around the concept of 'humanity', and the more others try to approach you from outside of this view, the more same-level arguments you throw at them, such as it grants us survival, it's better for the future, it saves us from an indomitable doom. Those are all just parts of a single limited thought framework. Definitely work on trauma release if you intuitively notice this hard-thinking approach is rooted in the past. Use it for something good today. Not to form an alien-shooter masterplan. Much love.

This is a painful false equivalence. There are no lives at stake in the alien scenario, at least not immediately and probably not even into the near future. NUking Japan was a best case scenario in response to a chain of violence going back decades(started by a group of people who began attacking others unprovoked because they thought they knew what was quote unquote best for them!). This is it for me on this thread. You're too pig-headed. The last thing I'll say is that I hope you cultivate some more receptivity and then combine that with all the projecting you're doing. You'll project higher quality projections!

Dude......EVERYTHING I said went completely over your head. Your notion of intelligence is painfully limited. You seem to think that rational/computational/analytical intelligence is quote unquote intelligence period. I'm not sure how you would best transcend that huge limitation but transcend it for the sake of your own enjoyment and fulfillment in life if nothing else. You may have very high IQ but very low EQ/Wisdom, which generally leads people to think INCREDIBLY self biased and arrogant things like "Let's just blow this creature away and dissect it and pick things off it's carcass. You know.....FOR SCIENCE. You're acting emotionally here more than logically and are also probably very emotionally repressed which is actually IMPAIRING, skewing and corrupting your logic. One of the biggest traps rationalist zealots fall into is that they trick themselves into believing they are impartial. I'm still working on transcending that stuff too. I thought that emotions were quote unquote irrational and primitive but they're a necessary aspect of your being. One should not be weaponized against the other. But I'm getting too speculative at this point. An alien race may have a vast army with highly sophisticated tech and no mercy. They may take offense to an unprovoked assault same as a human would and may seek vengeance as many humans do. Your counter argument with the ants is overly theoretical, in practice you would get fearful and angry and automatically defend yourself if you believed that was your best option. Just like if another human put a gun to your head. There would be SOME form of a major response if they found out that a group of their own was killed like that and given where humanity is right now overall, i would submit to you that we would be totally unprepared. And the level of preparedness is relative to the nature of the species we would have pissed off in your hypothetical scenario. There are SO many angles you're blind to here. You're a desperate and greedy chimp who just wants to get his hands on some new shiny things. There's NO actual logic and sophistication in what you're proposing. He is definitely morally underdeveloped but the biggest underdevelopment for this guy is Emotional intelligence. If he did trauma release and other practices that develop you along that line like body scan meditation or practicing self expression, I think the lack of morality wouldn't be at least as much of an issue because he would be more empathetic and able to imagine what it would be like to be an alien just cruising through the galaxy....chillin.........and all of the sudden dying in a flaming wreck.

Oh I liked it, gave him a big alien - machine elf vibe

@Mikael89 People who are alien-like are usually not treated very well (unless they use their 'paranormal abilities'). They don't meet other people's Maslow needs, especially love and belongingness. They are 'low value' in the eyes of others. So there is no reason to stop projecting and to stop abusing them for the average person. Mostly they just want to be left alone.

I’ve met several people with paranormal abilities that self identify as being alien-like. One of the reasons they keep their abilities secret is to avoid getting abused by others.

@Mikael89 I think because aliens are so alien that we might not be able to anticipate their reactions. Like I just said, it depends on the relationship between that shot down alien spacecraft and the alien race @Leo Gura

As soon as we meet an alien we should hog tie him and beat out of him all his secrets. Then we mount his head as a trophy in the Oval Office.

@Mikael89 Okay, if it absolutely has to come down to shooting an alien spacecraft, which country would you peg likely to shoot it down? And who get's the first dib on the wreckage? I also would not be surprised if we can't reverse engineer such technology, because we had a real world occurrence of a USA drone crash landing in a middle eastern region and they picked it up, filmed themselves attempting to learn and reverse engineer the drone parts, but it failed.

@Mikael89 LOL! It's problematic depending on which side or position you see an alien spacecraft getting shot down, but ultimately Truth is impartial to whatever happens, even if we end up shooting an alien spacecraft, because in most cases keep in mind that misunderstandings can mostly occur especially the greater the differences. Depends on how they interpret our action against the spacecraft. Who knows, they might interpret it as an act of war, but also they might be neutral and patient, understanding that we seem primitive to them, or they might congratulate us because we happened to wipe out a group of alien terrorists for them, and from this violent act, we inadvertently get on their good planets to peace treaty a trade with!

@Leo Gura That just makes the aliens look weak, like they need to kidnap and mind rape a person for research and intel. What insecurities do such things have to stoop down to that level. A highly conscious and advanced alien species and technology might even be non-physical and manipulate energy and matter that's very hard for human minds to grasp. If they're so selfless, why so crude in intel gathering?

You are wrong. There are not some idiots, this is the very foundation of what it means to be a human. As a species, our desire to be with God, our desire for Love, is the best indicator of how primitive, undeveloped and childlike we are. To expect such a species to be given the ability to become gods among mortals is utterly absurd. The prerequisite for that kind of technology might be a mind that is conscious of the Love of God in every second of it's being, from it's creation to it's dissolution. A being that is in a 5-MeO-DMT state from the very conception of it's mind, a being that could operate from such a place with ease, not one that would completely break down crying in utter terror and joy. Any such species would look at us and see microorganism fighting desperately for survival, utterly ignorant of their place in this reality and where they are moving towards. I mean we are so primitive that we physically can barely take the Love of God. Our biology is so badly designed to embrace Love that we literally cannot operate if it gets dialed up enough. A species that has a million year old ego embedded in it's mind. Such a species cannot be given the ability to become gods among mortals. You have to grasp this, the mind of an ant might be closer to the mind of a human than the human mind is to that of an advanced alien. We might be so far removed, we might be so primitive, that we cannot even conceive of the kind of selflessness these beings can embrace completely effortless, because they have been design and made to do so, outside of the constraints of survival. We are our limitations, that is what makes us humans. Our evolutionary legacy is what makes us what we are.

The technology described seems to be so advanced, to assume that we can shoot such a thing down is to me quite unrealistic. From the speculation we are hearing, this thing might not even be travelling at all, instead it is pushing through space itself, sucking itself through it so to speak. It's not actually moving, in other words if you were to be inside that thing and it was moving with 10x speed of light, you wouldn't feel a thing. It would be as if you'd stand on a non-moving object. When it is moving through the air, it is not actually interacting with the air, which is why it doesn't seem to cause a sonic boom. It doesn't actually push any molecules while it is travelling, because it is not actually travelling. I don't understand the hypothetical physics of this, but I am not sure if it couldn't just fly through a wall. That's how advanced that technology might be. Also to think that giving us this kind of technology would be in any shape or form a good idea is very naive aswell. It would be like giving a bazooka to a chimp. Humans can barely keep up with the technology they themselves are creating, just think about if nuclear weapons had been invented a decade earlier, in another part of the world, like for example Nazi Germany. You don't try to teach a 4 year old to drive a car, the mind of the 4 year old is not ready. The same is true for us as mankind. We might not even be biologically capable of responsibly using that kind of technology. It might be that we will first need to actually change the structure of our brains and minds for us to deal with it on a larger scale. Don't forget, at some point technology might become so advanced that a single dysfunctional mind could annihilate all life on a planet. A single "school shooter" type could destroy all life on earth, if technology was advanced enough. This kind of dysfunctionality cannot even be given a chance to exist before a certain technological point has been reached. It cannot even be 1 out of a trillion people. It has to be a mind completely alien to ours, a mind that has no capacity for primitive desires like jealousy, hatred, fear and so forth. The fact that there are people who would ever shoot down an alien aircraft to gain an imaginary benefit is all the reason why the aliens would deem us far too immature to do so. They might deem us so unadvanced that giving us any kind of advanced technology would be like giving ants nuclear weapons. And equally, any technology that we might be given could be equally incomprehensible as a nuclear reactor is to an ant. A human mind might not even be capable of comprehend any type of understanding of how and what that technology is, or how it has been created. That's how advanced they could be. Don't forget, if a species reaches a certain level of development it might be capable of intelligently "evolving" a structure that gives rise to a mind that would not be created in trillions and trillions of years of natural evolution. The wisdom of nature and all it's organism would seem like a child building something out of legos.

You fail to realize that shooting down a craft like that completely unprovoked is an act of war. If the military ever did that, they would likely be provoking a war that we are VERY much likely to lose.....HORRIBLY. I'm talking the most laughably pathetic and completely justified curbstomp ever. As in an entire armada of warships quantum leaping into earth's airspace so advanced that the average person would have a psychotic break simply from looking at it. It may even be an alliance of multiple different alien species. Careful with this word alien because to ANY other species WE are the aliens. If you really care about the possibility of interacting with other other intelligent and/or sentient life, I would suggest cultivating WAY more humility than you currently embody.

I get it. You are the big daddy who advances society. 'Just how it's gotta be, man. For our sake. For the greater good.' Just allow me to overwhelm you with a flair of feminine love to balance it out. The moment our lens becomes centered around humanity and our thinking revolves and gets stuck on our side versus their side, we have fallen into a gaping hole. WE are aliens! If they are as intelligent as an advanced intergalactic civilization ought to be, I find it hard to believe they would retaliate, though. Retaliation is such an ape level. A conscious being does not stomp an ant when it bites them because they have placed a hand inside a nest. You perfectly understand it, there is not an impulse to retaliate, you love the ant for what it is. Having said that, this sort of gives an ant the 'privilege' to bite a conscious being and still be loved. The question I ask, what would be our cause to shoot down a flying saucer and acquire alien technology? To cruise the stars? To win a war? To end poverty, world hunger, would it be a noble cause? - Because we do not require more technology for that, we do not lack the technical capacity; we lack empathy and consciousness for that.

So this is something that's been on my mind lately. This is similar to another topic I made a few months ago at the start of covid, but I feel like it's worth repeating. So much of our social malaise and neuroses is a result of our self-imposed alienation from nature. By which I mean, our minds (and by extension our politics, our governments, our economies etc.) have literally atrophied as a result of cutting ourselves off from the natural processes of life, which our forebears had in abundance. Take, for instance, a centrist who in other situations would find authoritarianism abhorrent, yet can't help but find themselves wanting to vote for Donald Trump. What's going on here? Why is an otherwise sane, grounded person falling victim to this mass hysteria? There are many, many reason, too many to list here, but one key one that is being overlooked is simply the fact their mind is unsettled as a result of being alienated from nature. It's no secret we live in an industrial age, and unless you're fortunate enough to be born in the country or have a very strong pull towards nature naturally, then its so easy to go your whole life without ever truly feeling the Earth's sacred embrace. This has consequences. A mind disconnected from its source (nature) will be more susceptible to false ideas, more paranoid, more unsettled and less secure. Not only that, but with the growing impacts of climate change (look at the west coast the US right now), this basic fact of our connectedness to nature is making itself known once again, but too many of us have been conditioned to find nature fearful and alien, and we grow afraid and paranoid as a result. The solution is not to fight these changes, but to embrace them, and understand that humanity's has place has always been in nature's bosom, and it's just that we've forgotten this over the last century or so. Spending quality time in nature will drastically improve your mental health, clarity, physical wellbeing, and social acumen. Earthing (look it up) is one of the most powerful mental health tools we have available to us, yet you won't hear this from any doctor or psychologist. Try it for yourself with a sincere heart and open mind and see for yourselves the benefit. If you're finding the world too much to handle and want a way to calm yourself down, then there's really no better remedy than spending time in nature. In fact, I would say its imperative to have a relationship with nature if you're serious about self-actualising and raising the collective consciousness. There's a reason why the Buddha touched the Earth the moment before his awakening. As the months and years go on this will become more and more self-evident, and the only question is will you accept these changes willingly or will you let them drag you down and become fearful and fall prey to false ideas. I think there's still a lot of reasons for hope, but only if we're proactive about them. Peace.

The real question here is not whether ufos are real . It is whether they are more intelligent or higher beings . I dont understand why the basic assumption is always that any alien life must be of higher intelligence . And Im not saying humans are the most intelligent but who knows and why assume anything? It may be true that aliens have more developed technology but that is in no way correlated with higher consciousness . In fact it seems stupid from them to be seen by us and they should be camouflaged unless they want us to think that their watching us . Another question is if their too plenty why governments dont shoot them down with patriots and s400 and bmd and all that? Are governments afraid or what?

why does @Leo Gura expression on this thread appear (to me) as spiritual bypassing? I realize I was seeking to change his beliefs regarding the value of the discussed relative truths, a silly thing to do, maybe why I perceive it to be devaluing experiences he’s never directly had? Like cognitive dissonance, unless I’m misunderstanding the point he’s making, that all belief and relative truths are unnecessary and valueless to explore once you’ve “Awoken”. This appearance is devaluation of the personal relative to the spiritual. I can see how this is practicing freedom of expression as Mandy pointed out, but it comes off as disconcerting/degrading to the values of the topics discussed. Like when someone has no direct experience of a practice/technique, yet claims it’s a waste of time or foolish to test/explore, because there’s still the absolute. I can also see how viewing those who experience significant value in utilizing these higher dimensional experiences to be delusional and “unaware” they are participating in a potential trap, but this is an assumption of the closed mind that doesn’t see value in falling into traps, or admitting life is the trap we must learn to traverse relinquishing all fear of traps. After all, they are all traps of perception. I know my consciousness is the only consciousness that exists, but I have no need to tell others this is all that matters, it seems like an oxymoron the value in exploring aliens, different dimensions and special abilities is unique to the individual, with great value in supporting humanity’s evolution. @Member how I became aware of my alien nature? I’ve become attuned to the knowledge of my multidimensional nature, through self healing energy practices, cultivation (meditation), allowing physical transformation, shedding/cleansing/releasing blockages/karma impeding the natural flow and allowing-in more light/energy (dna upgrades) raising awareness and the body’s natural frequency. Basically it’s all just the act of remembering through deepening the connection with ourselves. This resulted in several downloads, channeling of higher dimensional energy/information. We are all experiencing this energy shift/upgrade to a great degree this year, some are fighting/resisting the change of the body’s new energy frequency needs based off the collective energy dynamics, but it is a matter of allowing the knowledge to come through the inner listening and learning of seemingly new experiences. Resistance is stagnation, remaining unaware, distracted and avoidant of what serving expansion

Pickup is more limiting than productive (relative speaking). After years of reading, watching and being into pickup ive come to realize most people are better off without it. Pickup is a system. A one way approach to get sex. Pickup is like the hatha yoga for enligthenment. Most ppl dont get laid even after learning it. Is a big business. The problem with pickup in my case has been that after knowing the truth of sexuality, you start to see the conditioning it has done on you. One thinks that if not done exactly as we have been taught, any act will be wrong. Building alot of limiting beliefs. I've come to discover my success rate has grown after not applying pickup. You might start well with a strategy and dont continue or get any result. It pisses off. This calculation and rules are actually bad when seen from a higher perspective. You are better of going just intuitively-compulsive and unconscious of the process than by analyzing anything at all. Ive come to prove this to my self after highly increasing my results on tinder by just going bluntly straight forward from the start as to me being sexual with the girl. But, the thing is you think you need to think. No, you dont. It has to be intuitive. The frame has to be unconsciously persistent from you to her without you being conscious of what you are doing. Everytime you become conscious of an aspect of the interaction it actually interrupts the flow of the frame. Cut off the bullshit from the start. The bs patterns of getting to know each other. If you feel truly sexually confident she will feel it and most of the time follow you. After that you know if shes worth of your time and now you can slowly escalate your way there if needed. If not, you can get straight sex even agreed from the chat. Its an energy game. A game of the subtle bodies (ego). I wish I could explain this better, but its difficult through words just as truth. (Believe me, What ever you feel she will feel, even through text. Timing is huge in texting, so patterns are to be percieved. If you feel anxious through text, she will feel it. If you feel confident, she will also feel it. Even if you dont know how. You dont need to know. Just trust she is feeling you. So be honest to yourself and her. Interactions should not be seen through the lens of "Game". Its very limiting and counter-productive most of the time. If you interact in a hyper aware-calculative manner you wont proceed. Thats robotic. Interactions most Flow unconscious of all the aspects that are normally thought off and analyzed). My point is, become aware, then forget about what you became aware off in order to proceed in true Flow. Im amazed by how fast I can get results now. Just truly feel it and she feels it... No need to do any crappy juggle. If shes not into it, skip and go to the next one. Simple as that. If you want a partner then do all that stuff and slowly know each other. But if what you truly only want is sex, stay on that frame, feel it, embody it and you will attract the right partner in that same vibration. So again, why is pickup limiting? Well like in any topic, some knowledge can be applied in some situations, but in others its just counter productive. After gaining more general knowledge, Truth and Consciousness you start to develop mixups skills, which only comes when you have a good higher perspective of anything. For example, in my case ive stopped liking being over masculine and alpha. It doesnt satisfy me. Neither regular and hyper femenine women. I like really slutty women who have a more balanced energy as to masculine and femenine. It doesnt mean they are masculine, it just means they dont have all of the bs drama and limiting beliefs of regular hyper feminine women. They are harder to find, but most bisexual girls & scorts are like this. And in my case, I like being less masculine and a little more passive. Also, letting the girl have more sexual intitiative (Most girls are lazy & not slutty). This makes me experience my sexuality more complete and deep. Cuz now I can feel the feminine energy and masculine too in sex. Not just active masculinity. Its hard to explain and show this. But, sex is on a whole new level like this. One of my wishes is to find a hot advanced alien slut to get as naughty as possible, lol. What will get you laid: 1-Truth 2-Courage 3-Sexual confidence (This one is tricky. You dont need to get laid a bunch of times to develop this. Get used to being naked. Sleep naked. Watch yourself in the mirror, record yourself, get dirty on cam or snap. This will make your subconcious believe you are sexual, thus making you feel confident. Love your body and sexuality). Note: Dont start chatting a girl randomly. Do it only if you feel it. Awareness of emotions are crucial in interactions, they let you know what you are unconsciously communicating through expression. My only strategy is the following: If on a dating app like tinder. Dont get a bunch of matches. They get nowhere. Only like women you really like. After the first match go unseen and dont do more matches. Focus on one girl. Now, after matching let her there. Only talk to her when you are in the mood. Prepare your mind as to what you want. Thats setting the frame. "Sex". Ok, get into a sexual mood. Touch, watch porn, whatever turns you on. After that, prepare your mind to know you will either succeed or get rejected. Dont try to do any tricks to make her like you. Charge some courage until you feel it. Be honest with your emotions. Ready? Ok, you are now confident in a sexual mood and full of some courage. Proceed your request through some flirty comment on her. Forget about showing interest too early. Dont think. Just feel. Know that there are only two options. She liked your comment? Great, keep going and set a date. She rejected you? Great! Thats exactly the girl I dont want. There you go.

A woman's/alien's/whatever's highest purpose is to confuse a man so he forgets what he thinks he knows and can feel the clarity that he really is.

I think she's more aware, gifted in the higher dimensions, vast knowledge from the higher dimensions sharing a lot of wisdom. It would be foolish for me anyways, to think someone would be conscious of their alien self and not be conscious of God, as a human in this reality. I only became aware of my alien nature this year. I don't take it too seriously, because i don't take anything too seriously anymore, unless of course, there's a lesson i need to learn