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Yeah, this Alien stuff gives me mad bullshit vibes. Going to take a break from forum.

My response to this alien nonsense: https://youtu.be/F59p73MCDzU?t=107

Psilocybin is also very alien, Salvia too, I mean there are plenty of alien directions to go you just got to try the tools, I'm pretty sure you will not find it is mundane or ordinary if you take a clear look, Everything is supernatural with no opposite except lower orders of radicalness and alienness, Like people who tune out the more radical aspects of reality like God Love and Infinite Consciousness, But if you really care about this you will take a clear look regardless of what the conclusion will be, Don't just play the detached skeptic actually learn certain things like astral projection and moving into infinite consciousness, You may see the alien you might not it depends on your state of consciousness, If your omniscient or extremely intuitive you will find out before your infinite eternitys up or not whether aliens have ever been here, We would totally know it if we died into infinite consciousness and interconnectedness, Everything is always mental so all you have to do is just imagine just like you imagine people right now in a subconscious way, Imagine something else if you can, Imagine one bit of human biology just slightly off, The problem is that humans are not intelligent to totally recreate biology into something new altogether, Unless they have always had control of how they have been imagining reality then they have always been creating themselves as god in their own universe

@Razard86 It's hard for your colleague to be surprised. Most of you, if not all of you on this formula, are very intelligent people, often experienced by life as well. But what I say now will not be pleasant, nor will it be about spiritual growth. In many, many statements on this forum, there are statements, statements so absurd, illogical, and inconsistent that if God were to imagine this universe - it would blow itself up at once - due to the lack of internal consistency and logic. I am not saying that there are no universes that operate on some alien logic (perhaps n-dimensional space manifests in n-ways) or that exist based on no logic (as a little human, it is hard to imagine it yourself). Nevertheless, this manifestation in which you experience being human is marked by logic and consistency. We have so far discovered 42 physical constants. I'm not talking about the theories we build from them. They evolve. But physical constants don't evolve. If any of them evolved over time so that their value changed to 33 decimal places, that familiar manifestation of the universe collapses into a cu**. Change the charge of the electron, the proton's mass, or the matter's density. These physical constants enable any evolution of this known universe, including the evolution of life as we know it. And there are absurd statements here that mathematics is imagination. I can counter the claim that such a statement is rubbish taken out of a hat. Experiencing God and understanding God are two separate things. You can talk about the Absolute - you can try to conceptualize it linguistically for the purpose of communication - if you have made a minimal effort to reflect on what the Infinity is. Most of you here talk about Infinity with absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Because it is not easy to talk about Infinite using finite language. There is only one, a universal language that is truly infinite. And it's as logical as young can imagine. And this is mathematics. Much of the speech here is marked by emotional exaltation, which often ends the entire debate. Who is not as high, is out. In this way, a circle of mutual adoration of people inspired by the vision of being God, Super Alien God, or whatever you come up with is created. Like you don't realize that Infinity has infinite space for every experience, every manifestation. And it will never stop. You will never HAVE a full God realization because such a thing does not exist. There will be always something more to explore. But this is not the case in the first place I suppose. For most people here, at least. Sat Nam

Alien Psychology.

I am so super conscious that I have gone beyond "Alien Love" Consciousness, to Zenoch Love Consciousness. Oh,you haven't attained to Zenoch Love Consciousness? WAKE UP BRUHH!

Alien Love....

I took a look and you're in Seattle, nice, I used to live there a year ago. Hello fellow WA resident! *wave* I was writing this to you, but also for the rest of his audience as well - a reminder for them to stick to their own journey and don't let people coopt it to such a degree that what Leo does for himself even matters. I say this because this will prevent this place from becoming a cult. Cults can't form if people think for themselves and are reminded that this is the work. Just go within. It could be mental illness/schizophrenia. I have bipolar 1 myself. Many of the insights can be similar to awakening, but they often come with an almost occult-like flavour. I think the schizophrenic often opens up not just enlightenment, but what goes on underneath the psyche and at times reality itself. I've spoken to a few of them during hospital stays and their awakenings lend to an almost shamanic perspective that maybe modern society doesn't have the full scope to be able to help them integrate. I have a good eye for what is spiritual and what is delusion, but there just isn't enough that Leo has given me to be able to make an educated guess with his work. I totally understand what you're saying, though, I don't disagree, and these odd awakenings mixed with some of the Instagram posts, some strange posts here lead me to believe that he is going through something, perhaps a mixture of both. It's hard to know. I think someone like him, if he were sick, would try to save face - so we might not know until it hits the fan. I try to keep both perspectives in mind - that something could be wrong and my gut leads me to believe that this could very well be true, and the other is that he is having awakenings leading towards something but that he has not integrated them yet. The thing with Leo is that he does all of this publicly and people follow him, and so I agree and think he needs to take care and work on grounding himself first before sharing these things. Me personally though, I am not interested in enlightenment and don't know much about it so I can't really comment on that. If it happens to me as a side affect of my own work, great, but as far as I know it is one of those things that the moment you start seeking it, it eludes you - so it makes sense to me to keep it as a side-thing that could happen. I tend to do more along the lines of shamanic/occult/magick/death energies for my practice. I think Leo needs to start reading/watching books/material by other "alien/soul" channelers who have very clear descriptions on what he talks about to help guide him, some shamanic perspectives as once you get into these realms it's good to have something to fall back on so you know what to name your experiences, and to be a bit more humble about it.

@Leo Gura so if I pursued this Alien Consciousness would I have to reach your first idea of 'God realization', or is it not on the same path? Are your prior videos still valuable for reaching this Alien consciousness?

Is there any relation between this concept of alien consciousness and what other people have historically referred to as aliens? Specifically I'm thinking of people who've claimed to channel aliens like Seth, Bashar, Galactic Federation of Light, etc. I think there was some book Tom DeLonge recommended with techniques for making UFOs appear at will, etc. Obviously one is a direct experience and one is indirect. It's like the difference between observing or communicating with a shark, and actually becoming a shark. But are we at least talking about the same animal? If not, alien seems like a strange label for me too. More finite and restricted than God. I feel like God, or anything non-human has a sort of alien-ness to it by default. Alien gives the impression we're talking about something physical and material to most people, I'd imagine. I'll buy it lol. I agree it sounds almost like an April Fools joke but I'm open-minded enough to listen and try the exercises and see for myself. I'm sure the first time you guys heard about enlightenment or that you are literally God you thought it was absolutely bananas too. I'm open to the possibility that Leo is now not just hundreds of years ahead of his time, but thousands. Or maybe this was the 10% bullshit he told us he'd be sprinkling into his lessons going forward . Only way to find it out is to become an alien or fail trying.

What distinguishes Alien Infinity from “traditional” infinity? Did your awakening specifically include the word “Alien”, or are you pulling that word from Leo’s lexicon?

Oh trust me, I haven't been "following" him for quite some time. I am following my own path and my own heart. On another note, this whole "alien" descriptor is EXACTLY how McGilchrist describes the experience of schizophrenics. That is one of the defining characteristics of it. From the standpoint of nonduality, schizophrenia is actually quite interesting. Much of it actually resembles enlightenment, but at the same time the subjects are terrified and anxious and ungrounded. To me, it seems that the sense of self exists in both halves of the brain, with the left being more gross and conceptual and the right being much more subtle (time, space, context, etc.). Schizophrenics essentially LOSE the subtle sense of self while retaining the gross sense (because it is a disorder of extreme left-brain dominance); this results in a half-enlightened terror state for most. Leo isn't so terrified because of his experience with spirituality, but nonetheless he seems to be going deeper and deeper into this fantasy realm of pure abstract conceptualization, devoid of embodied presence and relationship, devoid of aliveness and inseperable connection to the source experiences which ground and inform abstraction to begin with... Alien. Genuine enlightenment typically involves unraveling the gross sense of self first (via inquiry, vipassana, etc), and THEN as insight clarifies, concentration deepens, and equanimity is attained, gradually unraveling the extremely subtle sense of self (right hemisphere identity, essentially). When both are complete, Reality simply shines as itself. So, healthy progression arrives at Thusness in a way that is "big to small", grounded, and supportive of psychological health.

@Leo Gura please help me understand if the following analogy somehow explain alien consciousness: Let s say we have a vivid dream at night, and in that dream we are living in an imaginary town with people passing by and everything, like non player characters. That dream world is something we created in the astral realm and it s complete by any aspect a world can have, following the basic rules of our world. A character in that dream has his own consciousness and he may expand it with Psychedelics as we do. Is there a way for that dream character to awake so much that not only understands that he is in a dream but to connect to the consciousness of the person having the dream? And if yes, is this what alien consciousness is? Thanx

Maybe, possibly... but I've had similar experiences and they are also recorded in well-known spiritual books if you know where to look. People have channeled this kind of stuff, generally probably much better than Leo can do. The thing with Leo is that he has a malignant arrogance that can't seem to be weeded out, I don't know why... We would have to know what Leo has to say on the matter over a set period of time. "Show your homework" kind of a deal. The thing with these experiences, is that they can be real, they can be delusion or they can be a mixture of the two. A good rule of thumb for doing spiritual work is to go within as much as possible. Literally carve out a path within your own psychology for what is yours to find. There is so much out there, so many ways to wake up, so many other experiences people can have - some that no one has mapped, but most people have some clue into what they're finding. Leo is going to do what Leo is going to do. Rather than people get right on board with him when he is having these manic awakenings, have some common sense, give it a few months to a year to settle and see what he makes of it first. Don't get so into someone else's process that you lose sight of your own. If people knew to simply follow their own journey, and just add and take away what fits and works for them at the time, they would not get so hellbent on following teachers and taking everything they say as gospel. The real teaching here isn't to give people all these unusual experiences, it is to simply redirect them back to looking within. When you do this, your own destiny will unravel. What is for you might very well be completely different than what is for Leo. This is where he gets it wrong, is that Spirit has gifts for each person who makes the journey, you just have to carve them out of yourself. Following what Leo has found doesn't do this. Alien consciousness may not be what another person is supposed to find, or even needs. They might be meant for an entirely different initiation.

If you took any teaching on as a belief you would be falling into an ideology and not Absolute Truth- which is contrary to what we teach. I would expect you to be skeptical and you should be. Just like anything else if it has not been validated in your direct experience then it is not true for you. And thus it is not true. I have validated directly everything up to this point and that is completely without psychedelics. I also have experienced some things as God that no one here has ever talked about nor is talked about on any spiritual forum. One of these is the Wind of God which I will not delve into here. But my point is what is true in your direct experience is true for you. If Leo has become directly conscious that Alien Infinity is the highest Truth then that is what is true - from his POV. And his POV is a mirror - meaning all points of view are held within his. Its gonna get paradoxical here. But in the end you have to discover what is true for you. There is no objective reality - and that is the only thing objective! Open mindedness will allow you to see what was true for you- which is that which was always true but you were blinded by falsehood thus preventing you from seeing it. But it was always there. It didn't exist anywhere but yet it was always there.

Leo mentioned a while back that he was considering (maybe half-jokingly) sprinkling in a bunch of false claims and ideas into his teachings in order to make sure we don't just believe everything he says. I feel like Alien God is one of those - or maybe not.

If I'm honest Leo, this all sounds very crazy and cult like. I'm sorry but it's the truth. I will keep updated with the course on alien intelligence and the videos because those have helped me so much and I have to thank you for that. Maybe the people here in the forum will say I'm just not open minded enough but I want to make sure as I keep going down this rabbit hole I have one foot ready to leave. I hope I'm not the only one who sees the potential danger with what's happening here. I know there's no way you can assure me that what you are saying is true. Maybe at some point I'll just leave this forum for good.

I wanted to learn how to reprogram my mind. Why would I buy some alien-love-consciousness course if I can't even get being human halfway decent? What about my survival, Leo? I am sad.

@Julian gabriel The higher stages in question, past stage turquois, are stage coral and stage teal and the transparent stages. From stage coral to teal and above are considered tier 3 cognition, and it's arguable that hyper, ultra-levels of spirituality that hyper alien intelligences are also at that level. Like in Metroid series, and the Metroid Prime trilogy, and the Chozo of bird like aliens. Yes, example is fictional, but at this point there's very little real-world examples of even stage coral, let alone stage turquoise despite what Leo had to say about stage turquoise in one of his videos, which, BTW, got copyright strike by the founders of Spiral Dynamics for allegedly misrepresenting stage turquoise, so, at stage turquoise is where the ratio of less real-world examples to more fictional examples happens.

Does this mean we get to learn how to get a hot alien girlfriend too? I've kinda' given up on the witch already :'(

who knows maybe alien god can reprogram your mind lol

cant wait to get high on some good old alien hyperbolic geometry lol

Alien Infinity and all other infinite flavors of infinities are a part of Absolute Infinity.

I'm listening to Bashar's teachings, and Bashar supposedly is an alien living in a parallel universe in 2300s, and I take him pretty seriously haha. I think consciousness is frickin crazy and there literally is no limits to its awesomeness, for it is the idea of awesomeness.

Definitions for alien (adjective): Very unfamiliar, strange, or removed. Unfamiliar and disturbing or distasteful. Coming from another world. Differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibility. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature. What the hell does "Alien" God mean. Something is alien only until it isn't, until it becomes familiar. I'd be down to explore super weird states of consciousness but come on, "Alien God"? I hope this is just a matter of labels. I think it's understandable that sanity is a subset of insanity. But God is still God, even if it encompasses infinite weird and alien states. You just increase your understanding of what God actually is. When you think about it, infinity MUST be alien, because you can never know it fully. There is always infinitely more unfamiliarity, weirdness, etc. But why add the adjective then? It only makes it sound New Age. I bet most people will be turned off just by this label.