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@BlueOak I know what you mean it's the classic dilemma of do we both see the green the same way or just call 2 different visuals the same name. That has nothing to do with what I am speaking of tho. You should go to some spiritual thread as this is in politics section and I am trying to discuss something else.

@BlueOak I am not totally sure if were speaking about same stuff or not. I was trying to explain the structure of politics. You're speaking of something else, something more spiritual. Basically simply to get someone's worldview you'd need to know know what they are trying to protect and fight against in overall level. That helps enormously in seeing why they position themselves in specific way in mini debates (that in a nutshell are content within structure). Basically I am speaking of understanding structural positions. I'll show in action what I mean: A: Leftist always protects some form of equality and fairness. B: Rightist always protects traditions and wealth C: Spiritual person always tries to protect consciousness and so forth So when I speak about how I won some cooking match A will always speak about how sad it is that others food wasn't equally appreciated and B will cry about me breaking traditions and not making the food correctly and C will laugh of me winning by making unconscious food. The insight is that my story of winning cooking match is irrelevant, because people will just keep speaking from their identity's perspective. PS. this topic is also extremely helpful for people who are confused by how people respond to them.

@BlueOak I wasn't speaking spiritually there at all. The insight here is that understanding to politics comes through understanding the shared identities that guide people to have some opinion about something. Without that we'll come to wrong conclusions or no conclusions at all why some people vote against us or disagree with our takes. People only react to that part of the message that aligns or doesn't with their identity and that acts as the driver for responding. And then when people don't understand that the disagreement comes from deeper level that the mini debate they won't realize they can't change other's opinion on the matter.

So many people are caught up in arguing over situations when almost everything happens in the domain of identity and how you see the world. For example it really doesn't matter what trump does, liberals wouldn't like it and what some women's right activist does wouldn't change a true conservative's head. Basically that reveals that surface level politics is not useful, because people won't want to change identity over one conversation. It's like car and human arguing if diesel or water is better. Human dislikes diesel for the toxicity and needs water, but car dislikes water for rusting and needs diesel to run. Basically the question "what is the biggest danger for the society?" gives instantly away someone's position, because that guides the conversation automatically towards identity. Liberal would say instantly something about equality and conservative something about stability. It is extremely important to ask right type of questions to get where you want. From one angle maybe you want to have casual night and keep it light; then you should stay as far away from any identity based conversations or if you decide then just comment on a human level. So if you're confused about politics then you're thinking it as fragmented mini debates, but in reality 99% most common debates happen under identity battle. And what's even funnier about all of this is that game by definition can only work when both play by the same rules and the same game, but different identities play different game. Some strategist businessmen see world through leaders and they completely can't fathom someone wanting stuff to become more equal. In different lens liberal sees world through individuals and can't fathom why some people just steal all money. Also here's another trap inside how politics is argued nowadays - only way someone accepts other's point is if they argue it well, but that acceptance of mini battle happens at the cost of inner coherency. Proper mind is organized and doesn't disagree with itself, but people who aren't connected to their core could be driven out of their core identity little by little without them seeing what is happening. It all is manipulation we start to see and it all is fake. People should become more conscious of what politics is actually arguing for and forget those superficial battles. TLDR Politics happen more in structural level than people realize and that makes it seem more complicated when in reality it is simpler.

What you mean?

@Twentyfirst Exactly, funniest thing is when people try to fight against this by listing laws that say you "can't" do that . Like we have to understand that the base of anything is brutal chess game that can't possible think of all morals here and there. Also there is not anybody who can tell trump anything, make business with him about these subjects and he won't turn down good deal. Oh, but wait, everybody is so caught in liberal style of dealing with stuff that nobody has any solid negotiation power and then that is what happens.

@Daniel Balan On factual stuff by multichecking it and on worlview based you are correct if all sides and takes of yours are aligned together.

Who we?

@Santiago Ram Explain me your motives to go to work/start business and that clears your question and a lot.

Here's the obvious answer. Who chess player you envy without the chess title. They are cringe nobodies with no life.

@Basman No, but you ask this because you had something on back of your mind.

@Basman Would you want to?

@Leo Gura I would say that even in this it all just is matter of structuring things well. That is the best side of life that by figuring bunch of things out and using proper automation and delegation magic is possible. If family is on your way you shouldn't even had it in the first place and fucked up the structure completely. You create your own kingdom not jail. Think about it.

@Leo Gura Depends on your purpose

When you watch something valuable you wouldn't want to summarize it.