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Will check a bit later! Some stuff turned up

Hope this happens im tuned in tonight

I agree but you did set him up for an easy one there!

From the looks of it probably banned or at the least demoted

Will tune into this!

God is not scientifically validated either, and almost nothing in psychology is scientifically validated, just because they can show correlation between people answering they don't love going to parties and being low in trait extraversion in OCEAN tests doesn't mean the test is accurately showing something true about the persons actual psychology it's just showing there's a correlation in overlap between certain perceived preferences, like a person who doesn't love going partying also doesn't love hanging out in big groups. That's borderline circular logic though. The value mbti brings is not so much mbti itself but the cognitive functions as they examine the shapes through which we prefer to perceive & evaluate the world, which seems to me more philosophically & psychologically interesting than OCEAN.

A woman cant get pregnant with multiple guys at once, evolution favors that the child has the best chances of survival, if a woman gets with a predator who makes her pregnant then tags out, historically the child would have poor survival & thriving probability. Getting reproduction is easy for women, finding a good father isnt.

Where did anyone say that being single is the only way you can work on yourself? That’s not what the discussion is about. You on the contrary in a previous post said “What both of you said leads to casual sex being good for women though. How else are you supposed to get to know yourself and what you like in a parrner” as if one night stands and FWB is the only way to 1, getting to know yourself 2, learning what you like in a partner? In such a short relationship as a couple months FWB or a couple one night stands you barely have time to get to know yourself, its an arrangement where the relationship is used as a means for sex, not growth. Growth is better done alone or in a long term serious relationship. That a relationship lasted 2 years means nothing in terms of alignment you cant just look at a data point and assume that because it serves your argument. There are literal abusive trauma bonded relationships that last a lifetime. Also, you made a post talkikg about that you nutted in some girls mouth before she went to graphical design class, and that she broke up with you and got a serious relationship instead. You described that as “both people were emriched by the experience” and that you probably helped her find her boyfriend. I’d be interested in hearing the girls point of view, because you basically intepreted her reality in the most favorable way possible in regards to yourself. The truth is you don’t know that was an enriching experience for her, that’s her experience not yours and you just evaluated it to make yourself look better, yet you accuse me of “so you believe you know what’s best for other grown adults better than they do? That is fascinating psychology.” Thats hypocrisy.

He knew she had deeper feelings for him and wanted a relationship then gave her an ultimatum to keep having sex with him or sayonara, that’s him trying to extract what he wants from her without caring about what it does to her. He should have been the bigger man and said you have developed feelings but that was not my intention with this arrangement, im sorry but its probably best for both of us if we part ways. Thats not infantilising her it’s being responsible for the impact you’re having on other human beings.

That's insightful and a bit sad, and aligns with what I've seen. I think a lot of pickup & red pill basically preys on women's desire for a long term relationship, safety, a future, a wedding, a marriage, etc. If you pay attention a lot of pickup is about making the girl fall in love with you basically, and a lot of guys go in with the intention that as long as they themselves just want a one night stand or a FWB and get what they want, it's totally okay as long as the girl doesn't say not. But how it often seems to play out is morally wrong just like getting an intern to work on your business under the spell of believing you'll one day hire them is wrong and a form of exploitation, often times regret & feeling used happen later, in the case of exploitation one is usually not aware of being used until it's too late. It might not be that the guy literally says one day I'll marry you, but sometimes they do, sometimes they just start thing off with a softer frame and then ignore or are unaware when the girl is developing deeper feelings, things can get messy and a lot of guys play it dirty if they know they can get sex. It has gotten bad to the point that in pickup & red pill circles, men literally pursue women, often with pure intent of "pump & dumping" them regardless of what the woman's desires are and they'll do anything to make that happen including emotional manipulation, lying & other dirty tricks. To make things worse especially western culture as seen in the US and also increasingly in Europe has normalized this type of dating. This has also been fueled by economic interests of business like Tinder for whom one night stands are more profitable than long term relationships - if they just matched everyone with their perfect long term partner then their user base would churn, one night stands are recurring paying users, also political ideologies are hijacking hookup culture and aligning with it, because it's a force a wave you can ride on, not because it's necessarily a good culture. I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist at this point, but I'm just pointing out that multiple incentives currently are pushing the culture toward hookups & one night stands, even if this is not what women, or frankly even a lot of men want. To dive deeper on the last part, I think a lot of men don't like the idea of FWB & one night stands, they often like it as a fantasy more than as a reality, it's more so something that's pushed via hookup culture & red pill & pickup artists who are trying to sell courses in my experience, and it's a status game for many guys. Most women will not brag about having had a ton of one night stands (there are always exceptions to the rule), but there are many guys who believe that them having slept with more women makes them so called higher value men. You'll notice they'll casually drop they've slept with many women without trying to make it sound like a brag, but often times it's a childish status game, hate to say it but a lot of guys are this immature. When it comes to actual mature men they don't overtly try to display sexual value in this way because dropping details about girls you've had sex with or bragging about past sexual experiences you've had not only comes off desperate but is also disrespectful to those women, did they consent to you sharing details about your shared sexual experiences for example?

be careful using the word projection, LordFall tends to get bogged down debating the definitions if you are not precise with one word in your argument, he uses it as a convenient way to avoid engaging with the actual argument and will avoid answering questions, but let's see if he steps up this time.

Interesting ideas but I’ll challenge them a bit because I’m curious what it’ll produce. How do you know the disgust factors are actually filtering as intended and not just repelling men who have certain standards or criteria that go beyond looks? For example if you have a “looksmaxxing” woman that attracts tons of flies and a couple golden flies, if the filtering qualities are genuinely attractive then why would they repell all the guys who are just looking to pump & dump & use you and who only care about looks, wouldnt these type of men be the most likely to stick around regardless of who you are and what youre doing while men who might want to commit & build a family might filter for something beneath the surface? Im suspecting the latter is what you were trying to get at but I think the naming “disgust factors” does your idea a disservice, but curious what youll respond!

You said this “These weren't polyamory chicks. Just regular old chicks. Like you said. Winged it. Didn't do it right. So here I am juggling four girls. Did I lie to them? I don't think they asked. But I surely didn't offer it up. ” what do you mean by played it right, they never knew about the others? And btw what you described is lying by omission, just because they didnt ask if you had other girlfriends doesnt mean you didnt lie..

Do you feel remorse about how you handled that? I mean you basically cheated on 4 women and tricked them into a relationship on false premises, that is the type of thing that can create a trauma in them that makes it hard for them to trust men again.

Exactly. I can think of a few problems at the top of my head: 1, coherent parenting, each person is going to have a different idea of how to parent, getting everyone on the same page is going to be more difficult the more people you have which is why in bigger companies for example you need multiple roles to manage, lead & unify the team. 2, jealousy / tensions within the group, some tasks are gonna be disproportionally less enjoyable and the person who has to carry that will breed resentment if you dont have some kind of task rotation system. Beyond this jealousy & competitiveness in between the women can grow and create dram. How are you going to have time maintaining connection & spending 1 on 1 quality time with multiple women while working and raising kids, if a woman gets downprioritized theyll suffer ans feel neglected and jealous. 3. Societal/cultural friction, almost no matter where you go, the kid will face judgement from peers when he tells his friends in school he has 4 moms. Other families will avoid your family and view your influence as potentially harmful to their child. Creates an innecessary bullying target etc. You also have to deal with the extended families of the women, whats cheistmas dinner gonna be like when your 4 wives families all are gathered together, how likely is it they will look happily at your setup? 4. Money/logistical problems: if each woman works theyre gonna be away a lot most likely which defeats the purpose of the coparenting, if they dont work you have to provide for them which means you have to work more which means you have less time for the women and children which creates problems as mentioned above. there are probably more problems but just at the top of my head