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I’m no expert in suffering. But in my experience, the one who suffers, is the temporary “I”. Suffering is only real for the illusionary finite self. What is actually happening, when we are suffering: Is that we are being purified and stripped of the things that we actually are not. Identity is being burned, more and more. Layers of lies that we have told ourselves and been told by “others”, are being stripped off. Truth remains after all the layers have been stripped off. And that can hurt a great deal. I’m sure your suffering is real, as it seems for all of us. Some more than others. We have believed the illusion of a separate self so much, that it hurts giving that point of view away. But when you suffer, try seeing it as God purifying you, rather than focusing on the pain and the hurt. I know, because I did. And it felt like I was being deeply mindfucked/skullfucked. Tears running down the chin, as no sound, no word, no thought being able to be expressed. At that moment, I felt Real Love for the first time in my life. Unconditional Love, from the Creator. Helping me out of my illusions. Mad levels of suffering, and pure Bliss at the same time… During a hard time I went through, not so long ago. I was deeply hurting, I couldn’t deal with the heavy suffering I was dealing with. I was absolutely crushed by my emotions. As I was crying in the shower: Words came out if “my” mouth. (And the I who had been used to speak and always thought that this mouth was “his” got absolutely shocked.) Words that came out: “How can I ever come wake you up, when all of your dreams are good and pleasant? You would be stuck in the illusion forever…” Suffering is Love. Its just a deep level of Love, so strong; That it kills you.

It definitely happens and will more than likely occur again even after this phase of anxiety is released. This is the process of purification, the mind slowly training itself to be at peace in the midst of pain or pleasure without craving and aversion. Long story short, sounds like you’re right on track! As far as strategies to help soften these kinds of phases of practice, 1) A shamatha focus rather than vipassana or open awareness. Focusing on feelings of bliss, happiness, contentment, and equanimity while following a meditation object like the breath sensations at the nostrils or whole body. 2) You can try a short breathwork session before a sit. Ive found doing anywhere from 2-5 mins of wim hof style breathing followed by holding my breath as long as possible afterwords to be extremely grounding and energetically clearing before meditation. 3) Throw in walking meditation. These can be very rejuvenating when formal seated practice becomes too intense. 4) Intentionally scale back practice. If 10 mins is all you feel called for, no reason to “should all over yourself” into thinking you need more. 1 minute of formal practice is better than none. Id keep the daily consistency, no matter how small. 5) Try meditating with meditative music or sound bowls. Can be very healing and help dissipate and transform the anxiety energy. 6) Listening to guided meditations. The only guided meditations Ill listen to are from a YouTube channel called Samaneri Jayasara, which is about as enlightening as guided meditations can be. 7) Endure, push through, bring equanimity and truth even to these sensations. At the end of the day, all moments are moments of truth and freedom. So even if we find relief through transformation, the process of purifying the mind means we will eventually be able to sit in sensations of anxiety with no issues.

You haven't read them all. I have read nde's where people are thrown into infinite love, consciousness and their lives are changed forever (based on their reports) Go to nderf.org, use the search function -> search for words like absolute love, infinite, eternal bliss etc etc. You will find some gems. Gl Here's a good one: https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1mira_s_nde. Now that's what you call a NDE

@JuliusCaesar I see. And by being omnipotent do you mean transcending your own finite consciousness into infinite consciousness? What I hear Leo says to do. What happens to your finite state if you leave it for a while? Honestly looking at the comments, Dave seems like a very logical guy, and is willing to dismiss a lot of things that the scientific community regards as nonsense. In this matter I’m more on Dave’s side. With that being said, believing in this stuff (which I know is not helping) makes you seem like a crazy person, like you said. And because I don’t have any non-dual experiences, it’s essentially a belief at this point. For all that I know, all the non-dual mysticism stuff could be BS, and Dave may be correct, certainly seems more plausible considering everything that science is able to explain about the world. However, there is still much that is hard to explain. Carl-Richard did leave a comment about 7 months ago. Way before I was aware of this video. And I posted it mainly because I was like, ‘hey guys, I just found a debunking video of Quantum mechanics and mysticism’, so I thought all of Leo’s videos were BS’. From what I can see from the comment, Dave didn't agree at all, I think you’d have to write a paragraph explaining all of this to Dave and his followers. However, one thing I am confused about is that, if I am more than Dave about these ideas, it doesn’t really make sense, if they are true that is. Because I am definitely not as educated as Dave is, and thus am more likely based on common sense to fall into non-dual mysticism delusions about quantum mechanics. So, I am above and below Dave in a way (more open minded, but then less intelligent). @8Ball@Carl-Richard Generally what I understand about Dave based on what has been said and SD, is that Dave and most of the scientific community, assumes that anything that has a bit of mysticism (yellow and turquoise, possibly coral if that’s a stage too) in it must be stage blue nonsensical beliefs and dogmas. Which makes it convenient for them to ignore all the not so easy to explain stuff, I guess. But if the nature of mysticism and non-duality is abstract, then even doing experiments into it would conclude that it is not or not real. And thus is kinda pointless in a way. I would assume it is. But on the other hand, Leo makes go sound like love and bliss so I don't know what he is actually trying to say. This honestly sounds irresponsible to me (coming from a man who professes to be responsible with psychedelics), because of the experiences he has described in various psychedelic trips. They sound pretty excessive. And if people are to take that advice as a prescription, they’d likely f*ck themselves up (which is a big problem if independent bodies, they are not liable for hurting or damaging others). Have you done this yourself? If so, how is it? I may try some in the future, but a very small amount, I personally have no experience with psychedelics (or any drug at all), so I’m not sure how it’ll go. I have tried lucid dreaming in the past. I did reality checks during the day, and wrote every once in a while about my dreams in a dream journal, but it did not work though. However, I will say that my reality checks did get hijacked by my OCD a bit so that is probably the reason it did not work for me, and possibly wasn’t consistent enough about it, though I don’t remember exactly. Anyhow, I’m wondering how the phrase “I remember my dreams' would help me. I don’t think my brain knows it is dreaming when it is dreaming (or even what dreaming is), so asking it to remember something without that it knows of no inherent meaning doesn’t seem helpful. However, I could be wrong. Do lucid dreaming and taking 5 meo dmt have the same effect? I feel like they do two very different things. I may have repeated a few things, but I hope it makes sense to you. @Verdesbird Which school of ideas are you talking about? There are probably many schools and universities that actually teach things that are very similar to Leo. So, clearing your mind of those would not be helpful in any way (unless you're just believing them, which I am to a certain extent). Thank you.

@hyruga Indeed. Sometimes doing the very thing I love feels like bliss. Other times it feels like hell. Its tricky to keep the right psychological associations positive. Sometimes you might need discipline but that will change your frame of mind associated to that task to hell, which is something you might need at that moment to keep moving before turning it into bliss again. But again, too much bliss without awareness will make you crash.

If it’s in alignment with the vibration of your higher-self, then it isn’t a trap. A lot of people fall into the trap of hedonism where they trade short-term pleasures for long-term miseries. Being in alignment with your bliss and higher-self is not hedonism nor is it a trap. Notice that the opposite is true. If your life isn’t aligned with passion, intuition, etc., then do you see the problem there? See my post on Discipline is Ratshit - The Art of Blissipline for a fuller detailed explanation of this.

Seriously, any of y’all that haven’t tried to eat just raw fruits/vegetables for even just a day, I mean wow. I’ve been eating garbage lately, and decided to get back on my juicing grind. Holy shit. 8 hours later, my chi and kundalini energy is flowing so intensely through my entire being. My physical body is in existential grounded bliss right now. I’ve been progressing years of progress in one night, super productive, calm, socially benevolent, and envisioning my life purpose on an entirely God-Level of imagination. If you haven’t detoxed, do it!!!

Good point. Correct. Discipline can be correlated with popularity, but may not always be related to pure satisfaction of present moment, which is what I am focusing on because the way I think most people define discipline is doing something you don’t want to do to get somewhere you want. I’m suggesting another way that even Steve Jobs may not have tapped into. What I am suggesting is living through flow rather than through grinding. I agree. The only achievement I care about, which really isn’t an achievement for me is living entirely through my intuition, flow, and inspiration. I use blissipline. I would say that not following your bliss would be more likely for one to use drugs. I mean why do people use drugs in the first place? There are numerous reasons, but one I can think of is because they don’t feel complete and they are not in alignment with their bliss and passions. They are chasing a feeling, and they chase short-term pleasure for long-term misery. When one’s life is aligned with their passions, heart, and bliss, they become high on life and hence don’t feel motivated to do drugs. Whereas, I feel like people who have disciplined themselves to do something they hate for a long period of time end up doing drugs the most. What do you think? Yeah. The thing with the energy of seriousness is that it is associated with grinding as opposed to flowing. The way discipline is typically conceived is to be in that grinding mentality, but grinding leads to more frustration. The more you grind, the more of that energy you will attract. The way that I find helpful is to shift my vibration or emotional state into a higher level to be in harmony with my heart and attract the energies I want. The energies of playfulness, love, inspiration, adventure, excitement, creativity, etc. are more associated with the flow state and being in harmony with your intuition and higher self. Most people overlook the power of flow. Flow is when you become integrated with your art. This requires a certain state of consciousness that cannot be achieved at the level of grinding. There is a certain state of consciousness that can be accessed in the flow state where all your “hard work” turns into effortless play. That is the Blissipline.

All of these people you mention had to have extreme levels of discipline to be as popular as they are in modern culture. Following ones bliss often requires a level of discipline to manifest ones vision of a great life. Without it, all the folks you mentioned could have easily become drug addicts, drunkards, criminals, etc .. Of course you don't want to be a hard ass, and enjoy the journey .. but you must remember that anything worth achieving in life requires a crazy amount of hard work.

I found that the best way to face hardship is by kriyayoga.a single 15 min session removes 80%of all my suffering for 8 hours.it gives me mental comfort and bliss that can be used to face hardship.all the best bliss and mental comfort in the world can be acquired by kriya yoga.the magic about kriya is it will maintain that peak meditative state for 8 hours.i will write a article about it. I am a big fan of the one thing concept.i always believed that i need to focus on one thing and take it to extreme.hence i ditched kriya yoga.but that is me. Few main ideas in dont be sad is like this Even if all human try to bring back the past ,they wont be able to do it hence dont waste time thinking about past. There is no guarentee u will be alive tomarrow.so dont dwell on tomarrow. When u do nothing ,boredom will come.so always engage in doing things. Dont be sad is poetic and made me renounce the world.if i do not care about nothing in the world like money,sex,fame etc then there is nothing to worry about

Discipline in the traditional sense of grinding through a task to get it done is not the true meaning of the word discipline. Discipline comes from the root word disciple, which means to be a student. Following your bliss is a lesson to learn from Steve Jobs, Joseph Campbell, Buddha, and yourself. Notice how much more alive you feel when you follow your heart and bliss, as opposed to forcing yourself to grind through and do something. What it means to be Blissiplined is to become a disciple or student of your highest bliss and purpose for life. Blissipline is operated from the flow state of passion, joy, intuition, adventure, playfulness, etc. whereas discipline comes from a grinding mentality of taking life too seriously. Notice the different energies associated with discipline vs. Blissipline. Isn’t it true that your best work comes from inspiration and playfulness as opposed to seriousness? This is why a sense of humor is vital. Humor is not just about making people laugh. Humor is a mindset that reminds you to enjoy the present moment. People who have a great sense of humor have a great life. Do you notice this? Humor is a reflection of that within. Become Blissiplined and never work a day in your life. Live entirely through being and put an end to all doing through Blissiplining yourself to turn your life into a playground of purpose and playfulness. Cheers. https://youtu.be/C_p8wo_UV2U

The mind never allows us to be liberated, it even fixates on 'bliss' or 'love' or 'freedom' as something to attain and creates questions that need answers, explanations that need to be understood, reasons that need to be met and methods needed to be done. The mind loves the quest, it craves the story, it desires the distraction but it will never allow liberation to be realized because then we recognize the mind is what is keeping us from it. As long as one wants the process and the self justification the mind is addicted to instead of liberation from self suffering then that is what one will have. What's in the title of the thread? Give up the search...it's not a search because there's nothing lost. It's a journey and we can experience the destination of that journey along the way, the fulfillment is in every step of the path through experiencing the whole journey as one.

This is a great explanation, I always sensed something was incomplete about the being aware of being technique. I want to cultivate positive qualities like bliss and love, so I guess I have to find a more direct path. How do you know what purification process will work for you? Yeah, I realize that my thoughts about the world are my issue. My lens and how I view the world is distorted. How long does purification take? So awareness of awareness can work? It seems like you're contradicting yourself here. What is purification in your view

@Raptorsin7 see, aware of awareness is not the most effective practice for purification. It's more to rise awareness and create distance between your psyche and awareness. It leads to the realization that I'm nothing at all and nothing ever happens to me. It's beautiful but it has no quality like bliss or love. It's a different kind of freedom, freedom of silence. Also it's a little bit like problem bypassing. When you do aware of awareness meditation. You jump over all your traumas and problems into that which has no problems. It doesn't purify the mind and traumas much, rather it separates you from the psyche and mind and traumas. The purification element is there also but not so deep like therapy for example. If you’re interested in purification there are other ways to go about it. Practices like vipassana or hatha yoga that focuses more on the body has a deeper impact on purification of the mind. But know this, purification takes a lot of time. There's garbage in your mind you have no clue about. Layers upon layers of garbage, even lifetimes of garbage. So ? but still purification has it's place. I do it also. How much you care about it depends on individual. If you really want to invest in that direction than just find an appropriate practice you can do that purifies your mind on a daily basis. It would be useful. But aware of awareness practice does purify the mind sufficiently enough imo. Hopefully something will resonate here. ?

Crying is good. Sounds that you are getting good results with what you are doing now so what is the problem you are having? Not being in bliss 24/7? Try to stop more. See what happens if you stop a little bit more? No need to be aware of awareness. Just stop it all. Forget about your spiritual to-do list. Just stop. See what arises? Is there resistance towards it? Stop resisting, let it be as it is.

No the bliss of liberation is not my current experience. But my experience is improved from where it was even 2 weeks ago. More emotions, more clarity, less tension etc I have experienced what seemed like an infinite source of bliss pulsing through me, but it required psychidelics. There's always the same energetic/emotional process on psychidelics for me. The more emotional work I do it seems like I am moving in the same energetic direction I move while on psychidelics, except I'm doing it sober and it takes time rather than in the span of an LSD trip. Do you experience divine bliss 24/7? What was your experience like before the shift into bliss? What changed in your experience? I know you said the answer is to simple be, but I am skeptical because right now I am being myself, just being the sensation of what's here, but it's not bliss. One thing I've been thinking of recently is I have to address the trauma that revolves around me, the personal identity of myself as a human. I think the next step for me is to face everything I have ever done. All my guilt, anger, fear etc. I'm assuming this will end up with the death of myself as a character once I face all the shadows. Did you have a lot of trauma growing up? I think I had an usual amount of trauma so maybe just being was more effective for you, then it was for me.

So now you experience the bliss of liberation? Congrats, the cessation of self suffering is really the point of all of the 'work' we think is done. If not.... then you have to wonder if it's the 'work' that is the obstacle to liberation. The mind loves all sorts of practices and methods it accomplishes to establish progress to itself, to justify the process but it will always place another task we need to accomplish to keep us on the treadmill of it's 'work'. Many of those practices and methods can be helpful in training the mind to do something it may not do on it's own but the experience of being doesn't require the mind to be... it's being. So we can experience being 'happy' even while the mind may do the work it thinks is accomplishing something. If your present experience is the bliss of liberation this would be obvious to you and maybe it is, don't let me be an obstacle to it. Just be it.

Nah. A lot of times i just get overwhelmed with the work i have to do (from career to dating etc) and i just get kinda depressed (not depressed in the serious way But cinicism) because i know its all for the ego, at the end the Love, pleasure, Bliss its of Consciousness, and the ego just wants to bs us humans with bullshit.

Fundamental truth of who you are is nothing, not love. Nothingness is the source, love is the manifestaion. Both are you. But to say love is your absolute nature is not true. Nothingness is your absolute fundamental nature. Nothing beats nothingness. Yet all qualities like love and bliss and peace are one with nothingness. Nothingness is King. No logic can beat this. Mic drop. Michael jackson moon walking away...

You must mean something else, cause nirvana is when there is such undifferentiated unity that love/bliss/ecstasy is at the core of it. If it's just cessation of all experiences, funnily enough, that's another experience lmao

Haha holy fuck. I can’t believe the trip I just had. Just want to express my gratitude for Leo, this unique path of awakening, and all of the beings participating in this collective healing of the planet. This is the best and most exciting time to ever be alive right now. WE are apart of the “spiritual rebirth” on this planet. I’m so excited to be playing music in front of thousands with my love for nonduality combined. The visions I had during my trip were beyond magical. I was listening to tickets to my downfall “nothing inside” - MGK, and envisioned MGK playing this to the entire world, with every being on the planet bare naked, god-realized, and in complete harmony with all the beauty and goodness of the universe and earth as a whole. I am SO excited for what’s to come. As long as I commit to staying alive and enduring the pain of existence/life, not killing myself, I’ll have the most beautiful life I could have ever asked for and more. Music, health, consciousness, love, beauty, art, relationships, humor, motivational speaking, shamanic crowd work, and performing is my art and bliss. I am fearless. I know how powerful I truly am. It’s very intimidating what this means for my survival and how torturous this will be to actualize it, however, what the fuck else am I or anybody else doing? Haha Like, I’m going to suffer either way, life is suffering until you awaken. So might as well make the most of it, right? Honestly, I look up to MGK more than Leo at this point. Haha. I realized MGK’s birthday is one day after mine, and Leo’s is 4 days before mine. So, there’s something significant about that, perhaps. During this trip, I become one with MGK and realized a lot of shit that none of you guys may believe, so I’ll keep quiet?

Well there's a thing called cessation or nirvana or nirvikalpa samadhi where all manifestaion and and love and bliss dissapears. What is left is only nothingness. So obviously love and manifestaion is secondary. And nothingness is the fundamental source of all creation. At least it makes sense to me.

@cetus That makes sense. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. @BenG What do you mean exactly?

The collective Shift in consciousness is really happening. At first I was skeptical but there is no denying of this. I can see there is being a vibration separation happening. A lot of relationships are breaking, including mine. I can see people real intentions at first sight. They cant hide and lie anymore. I can see my fake friends and still accept them as they are. And I can see all my darkness rising aswell. I feel more alive and present out of nowhere. Sometimes I get into no mind and bliss states out of nowhere, which was not normal in the past. So, Yeah at this pace, by 2030 the world will be another thing.

@SQAAD yep. same here. been stuck in this for years now. this is what i like to call ignorance is bliss.