Carl-Richard

There is this book I'm reading, that when describing the way that the pre-socratic philosophers were thinking, stresses how different it was from "our" current way of thinking, using words like "concrete", "simplistic", "childlike", "direct" etc.. This reminds me of Piaget's "concrete operational cognition", which is analogous to Blue, but not quite Orange (that would be "formal operational"). In this stage, logical operations are possible, but hypothetical and abstract thinking is limited. It gives the impression that the ability to think rationally wasn't simply an untapped resource in the human that was ready to be expressed given the correct circumstances (social and economic security -> increased freetime). It was rather a result of a complex, incremental, and transactional process of individual geniuses impacting culture and culture impacting other individual geniuses, and over time establishing a theoretical base that allowed others to be better inclined to evolve in that direction. A stage of cognitive development that virtually all children in modern societies will reach by age 11 is only possible because the culture is fully established in formal operational cognition. The first Greek philosophers, who were fully grown adults 2500 years ago, had to pull themselves up by their bootstraps while pushing the edge of the culture to barely even touch that. They didn't have the luxury of piggybacking on thousands of years of development. Imagine how incredibly inconvenient and slow your progress would be if you had no previously established theoretical frameworks to work with. On top of that, imagine yourself as essentially an 11 year old trying to figure out how the pieces are supposed to fit. Imagine the genius it takes to make any progress under those conditions. This truly demonstrates the influence that time has on culture and culture has on individuals. In this sense, regarding the fear that most people are will never be able to reach Tier 2 cognition, I believe the future looks way more promising than we could ever imagine.

No pain, no gain...? It's funny how New Age spirituality continues the cultural heritage of believing in taking strong concrete action, that doing = results; a deeply rooted ritualistic compulsion (purple - ritual, red - power, blue - discipline, orange - achievements), all the while when most spiritual progress is actually achievied by not doing.

New Agers gonna New age

What is the difference between a high consciousness person and a low consciousness person?

Many terrorists are capable of nuanced thinking, just like many geniuses are capable of terrorism. Thinking can only happen on top of beliefs.

I would say that is just Green

It's obviously important to him as he is from the middle east. Things you hate are always touching on the things that are of fundamental importance to yourself in some way. For example, I've noticed in myself a strong compulsion of wanting to expose and denegrate people I perceive to be narcissists on this forum, because I fundamentally value being authentic to myself (Fi), and that is analogous to a form of narcisissm.

Terrorists do think, and they think they're right. What is really the difference between a soldier going to war and the suicide bomber blowing himself up?

All of it.

I'm going to critique your use of the word "absolute". Both Blue and Orange share having a belief in transcendent/absolute principles: For Blue, it's the sanctity of the divine (purpose that transcends the individual): truth is decided by a collective historical tradition. For Orange, it would be the sanctity of the individual itself: rationality and empiricism (truth is decided by the reasoning of individual minds); freedom and liberty (society is guided by the voices of individuals, on the merit of their reasoning/rhetoric, through democratic means). In that sense, they're both absolutistic worldviews. On a system level, they're both rife with dogmatism and self-serving biases. Orange might claim it's being self-aware, but so might Blue to its own extent. Orange can get stuck on one model just as much as Blue. More systemically self-aware, perspectivally diverse and relativistic worldviews start arising at late-Green/early-Yellow.

You're not stating anything of meaning right now.

LMAO ok dude. So your concept of karma is not a concept?

Hamilton Morris is another great dude who shines light on the misconceptions around drugs. This is a funny interview with Eric Andre:

Your concept of karma is incomplete. Ever heard of the concept of prarabdha karma? Karma isn't some frivolous thing. It's the very basis of your physical existence. You still exist as a physical being after enlightenment, unless your concept of enlightenment is complete annihilation or mahasamadhi.