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  1. Quite frankly, I think the main issue with this forum is that you guys have let these videos get to your head in a most unfortunate way. There is truth in what Leo is saying, but it's obvious that the driving force for most users is drug highs, not actual contemplation of the mind or how it generates reality. As I stated earlier in this thread, repeatedly parroting "I'm God, you're God, everything is God" and taking psychoactive substances as a replacement for genuine contemplation is not at all the same as experiencing direct consciousness. To believe that one can have more refined consciousness than people who have spent 30, 40, 50 years dedicated to understanding the mind is delusion of the highest order. I wish you all the best of luck.
  2. It still doesn't address my central point, which is that it's obviously possible to experience direct consciousness and one's true nature without ever framing anything through the word God. Buddhism (and the Buddha, for that matter) never mention God, either as a metaphysical ground or as an aspect of reality. And yet if you look at the global landscape of awakened beings, Buddhism has seemingly produced a great many more than most religions that use the term God in any capacity. My point is, the language is frankly irrelevant. One does not need to employ the word God to reach full understanding of reality. It is one term among millions that may apply, based on one's cultural and religious fixations.
  3. I get your logic, but I disagree that using God as a term is the only way to cut through egoic conceptualization. Zen uses koans. Buddhism at large uses nibbana. There are many, many ways to discuss direct consciousness without evoking the G word. And to think that dedicated masters among these schools of thought haven't reached full awakening is, frankly, hard to believe. Their behavior speaks for them.
  4. Well, quite frankly, the death numbers speak for themselves. We can talk all we want about how deaths have been misclassified, but it is obvious in every sense that Covid has killed many, many people and permanently fucked up the respiratory systems of many more. So whether or not anti-vax people want to believe it is lethal, it is. Which is why I evoked the stabbing analogy. Covid is lethal; that is a fact. It doesn't matter what the conspiracy crowd thinks of that data—they are living in Insanity Land if they believe otherwise. And as such, their opinions really hold no weight. They're akin to the barking of a dog. If they choose to ignore all tangible proof of Covid's lethality and still insist it's a hoax and/or overplayed, then they are absolutely at fault (at least partially) for the catastrophic damage this virus continues to do. Their willful ignorance is having real consequences. I think I've said all I care to offer on this subject, but I urge anybody who's still on the fence about giving anti-vax supporters the time of day to carefully consider that choice. Tolerance to these positions is passively supporting them. Goodnight, hombres.
  5. Ahh, and it comes out at last. The great stick of enlightened authority. You're right—anti-vaxers are not as dangerous as stabbers. They are arguably more dangerous, considering how many have died from refusing to get their shots and subsequently spreading Covid to loved ones and immunocompromised strangers alike. History will not look well on your positions. But as you said, we are clearly at an impasse. Which is fine. I really like this line of logic. I think there should indeed be "incentives" to get people vaccinated. You are correct that forcible vaccination is a bad idea, and also correct that operant conditioning is a great path to change social outlooks.
  6. Well, the grand irony is that if everybody had gotten their vaccines post-haste, we wouldn't need the masks. I live in a vaccinated area of the country that has had all of its pre-covid freedoms restored, all because of vaccination levels. Those who are being hit hardest are, oddly enough, refusing to accept the very thing that would bring an end to this lockdown world. I also don't like the idea of masks, and I'm one of the more liberal people you'll find. But I also acknowledge that the way to getting free of masks is to adapt to the world and collectively bring about an end to this thing. It's the holdouts and slow rollouts that are perpetuating this.
  7. There's no such thing as wicked ideas here. You are grappling with one of the hardest aspects of reality. People can talk about life just being a game for God, life being experiences for God to enjoy, etc all they like, but at the end of the day it seems like a bit of a consolation to pretend that real suffering isn't happening to real people. Telling the people who are dying of cancer or starving in Yemen that "It's all just a big game for God to experience suffering" is first-world escapism at best. Yes, yes, there are no people, if they were enlightened they'd see it was a game... it all makes sense from within one particular framework of reality. But let's temporarily entertain the idea that reality isn't just a big playhouse for God. What then? We come back to the Problem of Evil. Why would God (in whatever form) create a world in which some individuals have zero suffering, and others live and die in complete agony? Perhaps that's just how it is. The ripples of the Big Bang. The flow of nature. Which is why I withhold judgment or speculation about the "why" of things. It seems a bit too convenient to handwave it away by saying "Ah, but God is balance, so he made everything for himself to enjoy!"
  8. No offense taken. You said yourself that the compassionate response is to stop the stabbing. Likewise, the compassionate response to anti-vax movements is to stop giving them a platform. Do we ask how the stabber is feeling? No. Do we ask why they want to stab? No. That comes after we've dismantled the problem. You can think all you want about my level of understanding, but it doesn't change the root fact that giving conspiracy theories airtime and entertaining the delusion is absolutely detrimental to the welfare of those who are dying as we speak. The rest is just insanity apologism dressed up as "love."
  9. Your fundamental, recurring issue is that you still think holding hands and talking nicely is the answer to everything. Love includes everything else within it. Love is not always the green-grass image you're promoting here. Next time a stranger's about to get stabbed or mugged in front of you, you can try out your strategy of being "loving," by your definition of the word. Let us know how it goes.
  10. I am not speaking about you directly. I am speaking about the sheer number of posters who use the "I am God" maypole to vindicate conceptual views without ever having experienced the base reality that the term refers to. What I took from that woke bullshit post/tweet/whatever was that the vast majority of people who say "I am God" 24/7 exist with satori as a fancy idea in their mind, not an experience. So I think the statement holds some weight. The realization I am God is miles apart from the mindless dick-flaunting of posting "I am God" as a language exercise.
  11. Surely there is a difference between inner realization of God and going around proclaiming it as a dogmatic shield. Half this forum's response to anything is to say "Wrong, because I'm God." If the work isn't there, what meaning is there in the statement?
  12. It's normal to not want to experience things. That is what allowed us, as a species, to evolve into a dominant force on Earth. Good? Bad? It is what it is Understand that disliking or even abhorring certain things is perfectly rational. If you want to overcome that aversion, however, you'll have to contemplate the thing directly. What is upsetting about gore? The image of it? The sensation? Focus on these things and realize that they are just images, memories, beliefs, and emotions. There is nothing else there. You don't have to be at total peace with everything terrible in the universe overnight. It is a lifelong process of accepting, loving, and coming back to what's really there.
  13. Yes, you're right. Similarly, the anti-vax movement did come into result by the same mechanisms. The answer, once that thing has manifested, is not to tolerate it... it is to call out how precisely backward and harmful it is. Saying, "Oh, but Hitler being bad is just a belief... others have their sources that people aren't really dying in labor camps..." is exactly what many people did during the 30s and 40s. Extreme example? Sure. But it perfectly describes why trying to be "loving and rational" is a losing game with fringe ideologies.
  14. We are all one love, and yet Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and the KKK still existed. Should we have held hands and been cordial with any of them? Now you understand why there is a fervent anti-conspiracy theorist attitude among rational people.
  15. I think he was saying that the defense mechanisms of these plants makes perfect sense in a survival context. The idea of "edible" by humans is a relative notion that's only useful for specific purposes (such as sustaining human life versus harming it). There are plenty of mushrooms that cause a psychedelic effect, but will also kill you in high enough doses. The psychotropic effects are a defense mechanism to dissuade consumption by other beings. Not a conscious one, as in the plant thinking "Hey, stay away," but simply an evolved function of that organism.