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After watching the videos The Ultimate Structure Of Reality Explained and Absolute Infinity Parts I & II, I have come up with some insights. Just wanted to share them with you. You are, of course, familiar with elastic bands. Well, I'm going to ask you to imagine something which is a little like a rubber band. But instead of being a band, it is a ball. The most curious attribute of this elastic ball is that it is infinite. Infinity is not something that is easily understood, though, so I am going to take some time to explain this properly. The first attribute of The Infinite Elastic Ball is that it can be stretched out an infinite amount in any direction. It never snaps or breaks and it never runs out of stretch. Secondly, it can be stretched in an infinite number of different directions. And here you are going to have to work with me to imagine this. A rubber band can only be stretched in two directions, right? Either end can be pulled outwards. But the infinite elastic ball can be stretched in every direction. Left, right, up, down, yesterday, next year, purple, cinnamon, happy, vibrant, quartz... yes, those are directions. They are directions in consciousness. We live in a narrowly confined, three-dimensional world. We imagine that the cardinal directions in space are the only directions we can move in. Some on our planet have become a little more imaginative and have come to the conclusion that "time" is also a direction. They are right. The next step is to realize that all things are of consciousness and that all consciousness can be traversed. Back to the Infinite Elastic Ball. If you take these two properties: that it can be stretched out infinitely and in an infinite number of directions, then it follows that this ball includes everything. Nothing is outside of it, and everything is inside of it. The word "Infinity" originally comes from the Latin word, infinitas, which means "unboundedness". If something has a boundary, then it is finite. And specifying that anything at all is not inside this ball, is to specify a boundary. But this ball is not finite, it is in-finite. Infinite. So there can be nothing that it does not include. The third attribute of the Infinite Elastic Ball is the fact that, when it is not stretched out in any direction at all, it collapses down to nothingness and ceases to exist. You, at your core, are pure consciousness. This is your true nature. And pure consciousness, when it ceases all function, has no form. There is an aphorism in the world of architecture and design which goes, "form follows function," and in that context it means something like, "purpose should dictate shape". Now, I want to reuse that phrase in a different context. You see, in the most universal sense, it really is true that form does follow function. In fact, it is function that brings form into being. If you cease all function, then you will lose all form. You will return to the experience of pure consciousness. The fourth attribute of The Infinite Elastic Ball is called Infinite Variation. Understand, time does not act on the Infinite Elastic Ball – time is just one of the things inside the Infinite Elastic Ball. This means that this ball is always in all of its possible states. It is, right now, pulled out in every single direction it ever was pulled in and every single direction it ever will be pulled in. And it is also not pulled in any of those directions. It is right now expanded infinitely in infinite directions and also collapsed into nothingness. It is right now busy expanding and busy contracting. And every other permutation that we can imagine and a great many more that we cannot. The Infinite Elastic Ball is in all of these states, all at the same time. If it is to be truly infinite, it must be so that all possibilities exist at the same time. At no point is any possibility excluded. Otherwise there would, again, be a boundary. This really means that everything that is created always exists, and it all exists at the same time. All of it is right now. Greg.

Session Seven: 37,5 minutes. Session felt a little bit longer than usual. Breath occasionally normalized as I seemed to forget about the breath work, when diving into thoughts. At last all thoughts vanished. Glimpse of "God structure" as I like to call it. More important was for me to see how all of reality sits inside this nothingness. Nothingness fulfills and surrounds reality. In that case my imagination of there being a room or a house got smaller and smaller. Nothingness/Spaciousness remained.

@The0Self would you call the thing in itself, the noumenon, that tree which falls in the forest and makes or doesn't make a sound when nowone is there to perceive it conciousness aswell? I guess I'm just curious what that is, maybe rather than it being out of conciousness, it is simply out of the perceptual field of my mind body complex. Is conciousness just the substance then? It can't be atoms cause what are atoms made of etc.. plus atoms are also just more sense data and qualitative experience arnt they? I guess my greatest hunch is that reality is simply nothing and the whole thing exists as that and when perception and the sense aparatus occours that's just more of that nothingness appearing, colourful and "thinged". The thingification is simply just the finite mental activity. Maybe the reason it is appearing as if there is consensus and empirical similarity and objectivity happening is because of similar limited mental structures in animals, other humans etc.. are literally designed to interact with the noumenal nothingness of conciousness/allowance/being in the same way, it produces a similar image hence creating the illusion of the phenomenal shared reality. We have no proof that our experience qualitivatively even looks the same anyways. Is my red your green? Etc.. The question of what anything even is beofre anyone looks at it completely fascinates me Man, feel like I might be making this over technical I just really want a well reasoned position. This sort of inquiry and mental sexy times keeps me up at night sometimes..

Nothingness is total freedom. Never was a life. You thought you were, but now you are gone, forever resting in white space, floating and drifting. Just being raw unused potential of Everything. Peace, Unity and Love. One whole and complete Singularity of Everything.

Somebody wrote this on reddit : I’ve been “dead” on 5meo before. If that state is an ultimate state, then we are all fucked because it is actually the opposite of an ultimate state. It’s just nothing. I’d argue that duality is actually what’s divine, not the state of nothingness. Also, is it REALLY what happens when we die or is it just an experience we have on drugs? Imo, we still don’t know what happens to “us” when we die.

That was a quote, both elements subject and object are fundamentally the same, there appears to be a duality but both components have the same substance, which is nothingness, which is exactly what "pure" awareness is. This can be found, but I also think it is logically obvious that if there is no "thing" for consciousness to be conscious OF, what is left is nothing. But you know consciousness exists which is why I said it (the subject) is an existent nothingness. Awareness is exactly what knows awareness. What could be aware of the existence of awareness, other than awareness? If you take away all things from awareness of course you are aware of nothing, because all that's left is nothing, since sheer awareness is nothingness... The only thing ever experienced is awareness as per the prior quote I posted, and awareness can be found to be literally nothing. All there is to the experience of something is the awareness/knowing of it as per the quote. Both the subject and the object are, in substance, made of the same nothing. If somethingness is not MADE out of nothingness, what substance do you think it is made of? If you imagine a unicorn in your mind, what substance do you think that unicorn is made from?

Before narcissists come in to confuse you on purpose, first here is what is meant when people explain only consciousness exists (no subject and object): "Not only is pure knowing or awareness itself the primary element of mind; it is the only substance present in mind. It is easy to check this in experience. All that is or could ever be known is experience, and all there is to experience is the knowing of it – in fact, not the knowing ‘of it’, because we never encounter an ‘it’ independent of knowing. All there is to ‘it’ is the experience of knowing. In other words, we never know anything other than knowing. All there is to experience is knowing. There is no object that is known and no subject that knows it. There is just knowing. And what is it that knows that there is knowing? Only that which knows can know knowing. Therefore, only knowing knows knowing. That is, awareness or consciousness is all that is ever known or experienced, and it is awareness or consciousness that is knowing or experiencing itself. Thus, the only substance present in experience is awareness. Awareness is not simply the ultimate reality of experience; it is the only reality of experience." It isn't that existence is not happening in a subject and object manner, but that both are fundamentally the same exactly as per that quote. In certain transcendental states of mind, the nothing that is pure consciousness becomes dissociated from the thingness which is any appearance. You can then know nothingness, and know that nothingness is, bizarrely, something which exists. Without those things, there is nothingness, but nothingness is what you are right now, because you identify yourself most strongly (I assume) with pure consciousness alone, that is what most people are afraid will be destroyed in death. But of course, how could you ever destroy nothingness? It's invincible, untouchable, doesn't need a creator, yadda yadda. In other transcendental states experience and self merge like that realization that subject and object are one. I barely remember clearly enough to convey it, because I have not used drugs in a long time.

"Sartre notes that human consciousness is always conscious of something else. However human consciousness itself is really nothingness. So without something to be conscious of, our consciousness cannot exist as it defines itself with respect to the things which it is conscious of." When you say "I" you are referring to human consciousness, and thus to what is inherently nothing. But you would probably say consciousness does exist, and there you find an existent nothingness.

The bold claim of nothing is happening is never as good as the “bold claim” of __________ __ _______________ which is nowhere near as good as . By the way, no one likely has a decent idea of what nothing is without “experiencing” fruition/cessation. “Fruition (phala in Pali) is the fruit of all the meditator’s hard work, the first attainment of ultimate reality, emptiness, nirvana, nibbana, ultimate potential, or whatever extrapolative and relatively inaccurate name you wish to call something utterly non-sensate. In this non-state, there is absolutely no time, no space, no reference point, no experience, no mind, no consciousness, no awareness, no background, no foreground, no nothingness, no somethingness, no body, no this, no that, no unity, no duality, and no anything else. “Reality” stops cold and then reappears. Thus, this is impossible to comprehend, as it goes completely and utterly beyond the rational mind and the universe. In “external time” (if we were observing the meditator) this stage typically lasts only an instant (though the question of “duration” will be addressed below). It is like an utter discontinuity of the space-time continuum with nothing in the unfindable gap, exactly like what happens when someone edits out a frame or sequence of frames of a movie. It is not that you see a blank screen for a while where they edited the frames out, instead that part of the movie is just not there.” -From Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha written by Daniel Ingram https://www.mctb.org/mctb2/table-of-contents/part-iv-insight/30-the-progress-of-insight/15-fruition/ “This world, Kaccana, for the most part depends upon a duality—upon the notion of existence and the notion of nonexistence. But for one who sees the origin of the world as it really is with correct wisdom, there is no notion of nonexistence in regard to the world. And for one who sees the cessation of the world as it really is with correct wisdom, there is no notion of existence in regard to the world.” -The Buddha In the Diamond Sutta, the Buddha discusses neither existence nor nonexistence. Following this will get you far closer to “the prize” than using plain dualities such as something vs. nothing or existence vs. nonexistence. The truth is something none of those words do any justice to what “really is” and trap those who cling to one duality vs. the other. I encourage you to listen to this Diamond Sutta audiobook: It has been incredibly helpful for me. This Sutta was spoken by the Buddha while teaching his disciple about how to become a Buddha.

@Phoenix11 The name certainly is, but it’s pointing to the truth. Although I prefer the word ‘nothingness’.

I have tried 10 gr dried shrooms with fresh lemon and dark chocolate. Trip last 20 hours. It wasnt madness, it was straight to source, nothingness. Felt like billlon of years passed away. Took away my all emotions. I felt like i went to before big bang and come back. Be very careful. If you are not ready surrender everything dont do it.

Yep. It happened after a retreat, at a friends house. 4 pufs and I "died", pure varm, loving void. Nothingness forever. Until "I" came back. I saw my ego freak out while it happened. But that was the first time I saw the real me and the "unreal" me, seperated.

If you become aware of your nature after doing some of this work for a couple of years, do you keep doing self inquiry? for example, when I ask "what am I?", I know that I'm nothingness because I had this reference experience. I also have feelings/ direct experience of nirvana/bliss on a daily bases just being by myself in meditation Do I keep doing self-inquiry? When I ask that question of what am I , God is also an answer but I just hope it is not coming from a belief. Thanks

Okay I have a few questions. 1. Why do you equate infinity with nothingness? 2. Why do you think the word "I" is a mechanism of separation? Isn't it just the word that God or infinity uses to express that it exists? 3. What is so special about God denying that it exists? To me that sounds like a delusional God. If only God exists then it is appropriate for God to say "Only I exist". It would be false for God to say "I do not exist".

God is Infinity is Nothingness is Love self/ego/me/i is the mechanism of segregation/separation and the deluded negation of God Then renunciation of self is the highest embodiment of God Buddhism is the highest form of renounciation

There is no self, it is an illusion. reality is a limitless void pretending to be something. apparent reality and infinite nothingness are the same. yes yes, all this is the starting point of spirituality. being able to see every moment the illusion of reality is a big step. everything is illusion. but obviously there is more. It is not that the ego wants to find something and all that, it is that it is evident. you are, and you are in unlimited depth, void source of love, sacred plenitude. say: there is nothing, I am already enlightened. stop fooling yourself, there's nothing. all of this sounds like you are stuck, that there is a part of you unable to open up.

This is because you think your ego is God. God is the term for what all of your self lies on top of, "all of your self" being absolutely anything that is any thing at all. Your desires, wants, actions, creations, imagined objects, those things are appearing to "God". Because they are things. And God is the source of the things, being the total literal nothingness that is awareness when you strip all of its contents away from it. You aren't controlling what appears IMO. It seems God cannot NOT create. You actually cannot stop random thoughts and emotions and other things, if you do it's like anaesthetic, which for all intents and purposes doesn't happen because the "gap" is never experienced. Only continuous out of control chaotic neverending creation.

What you're trying to refer to is actual nothingness, that can be found for real, no BULLSHIT cope. The human mind is all "things" like thoughts and sights and emotions.

I've noticed that DURING very intense "mystical experiences", thoughts stop entirely, such that you aren't interpreting what's happening. It's just happening, period. I've found generally that if there is any thought it is more instinctive feelings like maybe a fixation about not breathing. In the past I've had ideas like trying some Buddhist type chanting while smoking DMT. And I find that as it hits more and more I start finding it very difficult to continue chanting and then eventually just go "hmm......." and fall totally silent. Surely all heavy breakthrough trips are thematically the same when there is ego death etc. But then when back, we all necessarily interpret that experience. Probably why Buddhist and Hindu sages teach different "truths" despite surely having gone through the same experience. Every person like Leo is communicating interpretation, because you can't communicate experience (like you can't make a blind person see red). Most interpretations diverge into being very similar. But I do wonder if any interpretation can be accurate... I experienced emptiness first hand (where I became literally nothing - think like, being an eye trying to see itself, but the eye isn't even made of anything), and also the experience where the self vanishes entirely and there is only experience, and I can see how this could be interpreted as the self not existing, not just being substantially made of nothingness... Experiences are absolutely true in terms of the fact they are happening (and even a "false" experience IS an experience which is happening), and I know with intense clarity what I experienced and what things are certainly true. But how does one be certain that the thoughts which kick in after the fact are accurate?

Lol ? I still think it's a word game ? yes I can say poo is eternal because energy is eternal. E=mc^2. Nothing ever dies. Everything is energy and that energy is god. Everything is god. Nothing ever dies. Energy never dissapears it just changes form. And the energy itself is always eternal. That way it make sense. To me this is just a wording problem. I feel buddhists are talking about the same thing just in a different language and I wanted to fight for their side a little bit to leverage the field i find your criticism of budhhism to be a bit unfair sometimes. To me "I am nothing" and "I am everything" means exacly the same thing. Edit. Nothingness is also energy. A primordial energy. Everything is energy. Everything is god. Everything is eternal.

@Leo Gura That's nice. I get this actually. Yeah it's true. It's true. I agree with everything you sayed I forgot what we're debating about ? The only thing I would put it differently is the wording. I wouldn't call changing impermenant reality - eternal. By definition it doesn't make sense to me. "Every moment is eternal even if it is fluid" yeah but it is nothingness that is eternal not the dancing energy. Dancing energy is temporary. That would be my only difference in percepective. Edit. And yes dancing energy is also nothingness because it comes from nothingness. And are of the same nature. It is one. But somehow it is not eternal. Because by definition if it is changing it is impermenant and not eternal.

No, there is an important insight you're missing here that I am communicating. And what I am saying does not contradict the highest teachers/teachings. You have been told by the best teachers that form = formlessness. You just lack the direct experience necessary to properly understand the teachers/teachings. Yeah, I know your position. And I am telling you that's an incomplete realization. A dog taking a shit on the sidewalk is essential to what you are. It's crucial that you see Yourself and the Absolute in that shitting dog. That is the whole point of spirituality! Again, you are holding a subtle duality here between Nothingness vs somethingness & change. To truly realize Nothingness is to realize that Nothingness is ever-changing Everythingness. The entire Creation is Nothingness, even as it is changing. And thereby you have separated yourself and God from change. Your position is silly because you say You/God are everything, except change is something "other" that has nothing to do with you. You ARE change. God is change. Nothingness is change.

@Leo Gura So maybe it's a matter of wording? Perhaps you're using the word absolute in the different meaning then most teachers. I believe nothingness is absolute, and never changing and perfect. Everything else is a flux. It comes from nothingness. The source of all things is nothingness. Thus changeful reality is not essential to what I am. Because when change happens in my essential nature nothing ever happens. Nothing ever happens to nothingness. Even if the entire creation would cease, nothingness would remain the same, thus it's absolute and changful reality is temporary and not essential to me. This makes sense to me at least.

What about the argument that if my hand dissapear I'm still here, witnessing my hand dissapearing? Wouldn't that prove that I'm much more then just the hand? Yes hand is a manifestation of consciouness but it's perhaps not the essence of what I am. All things that can perish are not essential to my being. So yes, everything is one, but not everything is eternal. Only nothingness is eternal and absolute and never changes and has no states or levels. And I am that. Other things are temporary, transient, has levels and what not and are still me, but not essentially. That's how I would frame it at least. Edit. Manifest and unmanifest. One is eternal another is temporary. Both are me. Yet one is essential another is not so. Thus, saying I'm nothing that is bound by time is quite appropriate imo.

You can't be aware of awareness directly became awareness is absolute literal nothingness. You have to use sensory input as a mirror to reflect back at what's observing them. Then you find nothingness.