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Yes, agreed it can be a bit of fun, it's a point of view etc. Totally agree that Joe Rogan is a brilliant interviewer. I would just like to keep this forum out of the rabbit-hole of far fetched alien conspiracy land - without getting into any debates about the legitimacy of this stuff. Unless you're in the secret government department of Alien Comms, let's just say it's not really relevant to the average self-actualizer. There's plenty of this kind of material elsewhere on the internet for those who want to indulge.

The human drama. No matter how much perspective I have on it, I cannot understand it. In the same way that I do not understand the words I type here. It is a mainfest of desires and circumstances, both alien to the human being. To be happy, we need a story. Because happiness must be something that has to be achieved, to be created out of nothing. To create it, we have the story. A counterpart to happiness is necessary in the form of despair. Could you be happy without accepting the ideas of the world, without creating a story for yourself? Can you move the world without moving yourself? The evolution of humans required the evolution of social complexity and social constructs. That created an ability to self-value, and the ability to create a story of life. A description that goes beyond the mundane existence of beasts. Or has it really gone beyond that? I really doubt that ants know their own form. The nature of suffering is linked to the nature of desire, and the manipulation of the world to fulfill it.

@Salvijus your arguments sonds like D O G M A to infinity (alien started to teach it thefore you need a guru) WTF??? (based on possess, scarcity, power, urge to belonging, and exclusiveness ) typical things to manipulate people I don't mind learning from others but none is from a different claw therefore what one man can do another can do

Who exactly is looking ahead an infinite number of moves? No one? You are I am God, but I understand nothing about my grand plan. Perhaps, a super-intelligent alien in the future might understand God's plan.

Proven in my own (and hundred of people on this forum) experience, so unless you're an alien or have specific brain disorder, You can too.

yes paul is just an alien

@Leo Gura Thank you Leo, May I ask what are your thoughts on one that doesn't feel the need to have a romantic relationship or be in one ? I feel like that desire of mine has died (even though for most of my life, I felt like it was a desire I had and felt "normal" socially for wanting a bf/wanting romantic love). It's been a year or so since that desire has practically died/vanished and I feel very alien to others because of that. And now in a way, I can look at everything from the outside and see all this hunger and rat race that people are going through whom are desperate for love and being loved by others... I want to add that I'm a very, very friendly person and it's not so much that I never was a social person but more so that I don't want to have social interactions anymore really...much less dating or pursing a future partner. It's very odd. I feel less like a woman for it and less human because of this. It's quite heartbreaking because even if I push myself to date or go out...my heart is not really there and it all would feel like an act just to please the outside world. It would not be genuine or even wanted. I've been in Therapy for Depression for the last 1.5 years and although it helps in some aspects...I feel like my Therapist is saying that "this too shall pass" but it doesn't feel like a phase, more like "I don't see the point anymore in love/relationships" and so I am more secluded than ever (which is also an experience, solitude can be a gift too sometimes).

No, I don't think so. The "physical laws" are held in place because they are necessary to have these kinds of human experiences we are having. Maybe if God wanted to be a 10-dimensional hyper-slug it wouldn't hold our physical laws. And that probably happens. But so long as you are human, to be human is to play within our physical ruleset at least to some degree. Otherwise you stop being human and become some kind of hyper-slug alien thing. But in a certain sense it does because evolution slowly weeds out devilry. That's its whole point! There is a Grand Design at work. I don't see God giving devils unlimited power. There are constraints on devilry. An unconstrained devil would turn all of creation into an ugly shitshow, spoiling the Beauty and Perfection of the Grand Design. You can't exactly allow Osama Bin Laden to materialize a nuclear weapon with his mind. At least that's my best guess so far. God's creation has exquisite balance. Perfect Divine Balance!

I don't agree that I have to feel remorse for the suffering of others, or the suffering I inflict on others. Hear me out. I do feel remorse and I will never hurt another being knowingly. But there is no rational argument for it, even if you are a buddhist. Lets say you are going to be reborn as the person who suffererd under you. So what? I will curse myself and die? That's all it amounts to. With time the pain will pass, with death the memory will vanish. The only reason I feel remose is because of my ability to put myself in that situation and have my brain tell me "oh that's not what I want to feel". But that "want" is wrong, desire is wrong, clinging is wrong. You cannot desire to not suffer. Also, the one doing the suffering is not outside the system. If you believe that you are somehow an alien that can make others suffer, you are wrong. Everything you do is intentional. Even if the world kills you right now, its an intentional act that you do on yourself. So why feel guilt for doing something to yourself? Also, another point that Alan Watts raises is that too often we believe that "doing what we want to do" is something new. That no one else in the history of the universe thought to himself "I can do whatever I want with no consequences". I am sure there are kings that actually could and did do whatever they wanted. And where are they now? Who are they now? What happened to all their actions, their lives, their memories? All returned to dust. Only I exist now. And in another reality only you will exist.

So an alien who is on ayahuascha trip 24/7 and a guy who claims to levitate (but cant do it when asked) and claims the ability to change the weather are worth following? Good luck.

I feel like I don't understand anyone else, who isnt this way. I keep meeting people like this, groups even. And I feel like an alien amongst them.

Are you serious Leo? Like wtf? How off can your radar be? Even though half off the stuff you say is bamboozle, Teal and Bentinho are full blown bamboozle. Has been as long as they have been in the scene. I could put all the crazy lines they have said here, but you can do the research yourself. Teal is an alien and has said that her life is like 24/7 ayahuasca trip. I didn´t make that up

I don't know if the majority of the stuff in the article is true or not. But I used to binge-watch Teal Swan like crazy, several years back, and it really helped me out. But she never talked about being an alien or anything outrageous like that in those videos. The only thing that could be considered crazy by the general populace is the focus on new age ideas (like Law of Attraction) in her videos. But I was always a bit averse to her personality and sense of self-importance. When I found her work, I was going through some tough times and her work really helped me out of a negative spot that I know I wouldn't have otherwise been able to. But I still didn't like her persona and resisted against her. I didn't like that I was getting so much out of work. She's very focused toward herself and self-aggrandizing... which is certainly a huge red flag. And then, when people criticize her, it deeply bothers her so much that she'll mention it in her videos. But I went to one of her events a few years ago and even met with her and some members of her intentional community as well as a bunch of volunteers, and it was pretty normal. And I was on high alert for cultish behaviors because of my aversion to her persona. So, I would say that, if she is running a cult, then she's not really using her events to organize it as one would expect from someone really intending to create a cult. I think of Teal Swan more as a self-important but helpful spiritual teacher that also uses her teachings in search of adoration, acceptance, and money.

If you want to follow an alien who decided to take human form, then by all means go for it

Of the list of things she has claimed in her own words: she is half alien, she is the reincarnation of Cleopatra, she hears radio signals in her head, she has helped a cult leader entrap and kill 8 children, she had sex with a corpse, she was sewn inside of a corpse while a cult leader was eating said corpse. She said she was in a satanic cult for over a decade. When reporters tracked down the satanic cult leader that killed kids, he was a sweet old veterinarian that taught Teal how to ride horses when she was a teenager. She of course made the whole thing up. Total psychopath.

@Neorez Not exactly. You never really were an individual in the first place. You are formless and infinite. Have no location and no attributes. You are pure awareness. Indefinable. But you can experience yourself as an individual. As a human. Or an animal. Or an alien, perhaps. You come prior to all forms and shapes. I'd suggest you the same as any other guide or teacher, probably; Breathe deeply, practise mindfulness, do some yoga - or anything else to increase body awareness, focus on opening your mind's eye, contemplate a lot, think healthy thoughts, practise detachment, open up your heart, deepen your love towards yourself and others, follow your excitement and passion, dream big, find your purpose, face your fears and all challenges along the way. Surrender to what is. Do not resist the process. It's all about expanding awareness. These are a few ways in which you can do that. There are infinite ways. Pick those which resonate; feel good and suit who you are. Cheers!

I haven't really felt that good either after my awakening experience. It's beautiful in the moment of realising, but as soon as the ego takes over again, it's like you're an alien in this world. You know that you are everything and that everything happening in it's essence is nothing, but this realisation is pretty depressing for the ego. What I don't understand is the fact that the chapter is called "Frequency holders," but how can your frequency be high if your taking drugs to supress the pain of this world? I don't get it.

@Telepresent Oh im very aware this is just for fun, hence the titel "a rant" and my comment: And thanks for steering the conversation back to track. It seems quite common for people to first try to destroy an idea instead of just playing with it, even when asked to (Creative people seems to generally play first) My Idea is a bit similar to your alien idea in a way. Guess there is alot of talk about us living in a matrix like simulation. Thinking about it...if we create AI that can know human experience and God create human that can know Gods experience and teach itself about itself then, what to say There is something that created God? Maybe it goes back like that into infinity? Not sure if you can get "above" nothingness thou if that is what God is... @ivankiss Interesting. But we do tend to divide and group stuff together, human creations for example into: art (for enjoyment) and technology (for survival) which can be subdivided, and some stuff is inbetween. Otherwise we cannot communicate well, as all is nature and nothing needs to be said. Similarly the creation of AI is a subdivision of technology that is completely new...similarly to human mind is a completely new technology of reality. Guess all I am saying is that it is a big shift, something big is happening.

Imo, astral stuff tends to be a huge waste of time, other than perhaps for opening up your mind. I used to mess with astral stuff a lot after I first hit nonduality, entities, gods, what-have-you, and was rather enticed by how alien it was. Things seemed cool, and I thought I was doing highly conscious thing simply because it was out of the realm of "ordinary" experience. I'd later realize that instead of getting caught up in the bizarreness, real spiritual work tends to be quite straight-forward, and is all about self-purification and constant self-reflection. Tapping into some subtle energies is not something I see as relevant to true growth. It's just a subtler level of mind. If anything helped me grow, it was probably the really bad experiences, like hell realms and demons, since those helped me realize I was lying to myself when I thought I had largely conquered fear and suffering. Nevertheless, the real lesson for me was to not get seduced by fanciful aspects of spirituality and become more grounded in self-purification and depth. If you're still interested nevertheless, then I'd at least recommend checking out David R. Hawkins on YouTube. He was pretty experienced with that kind of stuff and knew well of its limitations. I agree with a lot of his conclusions and views on it.

Hey guys! Sorry for long post but this is something that I have been thinking about al lot. And I have been thinking about posting this for a long time. I guess I am in need of some perspectives Just to set the stage.. Been on this path ever since my first mystical experience 4 years ago. Last year I decided to go to India. The reason being that my cousin lives there, and she lives in this Ashram and she is a student of an Enlightened man. She met him when she was traveling Europe in her early twenties and the guy had such profound effect on her that she just decided to move to India with him and stay there. Apparently, the guru was traveling Europe to teach outside India. What he is teaching is bhakti yoga. As for those who do not already know Bhakti yoga is a spiritual path or spiritual practice within Hinduism focused on loving devotion towards a personal god. And this last words "personal god" is where I got problems. I was traveling to India with and open mind and a hope of progress. Long story short, I ended up really struggling with their teaching. As I have more of a background in the Buddhist philosophy, the ideas of a soul, super soul and a personal god was very alien to me. I was doing my best to translate their teaching into my own language, believing that it was all a matter of playing with words, and that its all different ways to point to the same truth. But I was wrong. Many in the ashram was very specific that this way of spirituality differ from Buddhism and that even the realizations are different. It might be noteworthy to say that the book they are studying is bhagavad gita. Anyways, I was told that there are especially two ways of practicing spirituality and that is: The personal vs. The impersonal path. Are any of you guys familiar with these concepts? The guru basically said that one will have different awakenings depending on which of these two paths one is most align with. The impersonal realizations is to realize that everything is one/emptiness/Brahman, and that one can have these realizations by detaching from the material world. And that this is regarded as the ultimate truth in Buddhism. However, I was told that this is not the highest form of spirituality and that there is higher awakenings beyond this where on starts to realize the more personal aspects of god. The metaphor that was used was that the impersonal realizations one/emptiness/Brahman is seeing the sunlight, a sense that there is something there. But that the personal path will ultimately lead you to too see the sun. In other words, in the ultimate reality god has form, and that by realizing our own spiritual body one can start to have a real personal relationship with god. This is where i personally started to struggle. If god is personal, and if god has form.. That means that the ultimate reality is dual? This did not makes sense too me. Reality must ultimately be nondual I argued. But I was told that its actually both nondual and dual at the same time. The way they go about their spiritual practice is also very different from anything else I've seen as well. They focus on relation, both to God himself and others. And that detachment is not key, attachment to others, and loving devotion towards a personal god is key in order to have this personal realizations. I would also like to add that they are very clear that this is not religion. And that religion is for those who are at lowest stages of consciousness. I understand if this sounds like bullshit to many of you, and even though I don't know if I fully trust the guru yet, I do trust my cousin. And she says that she has had many awakenings after she started following his teachings, both personal and impersonal and that there really is a difference between those two. And that we are not merely playing with words. Do any of you guys have knowledge about this form of spirituality. Any thoughts? I appreciate anything

For sure. The alien abduction narrative is like a bad first act and the audience sighs and rolls their eyes ? Then the real show starts. . .

@SoonHei I don't need to try them. My understanding about what's real will change? So if I experience myself being abducted on a alien spacecraft or teleported to a different dimension with an alien orgy, does that mean that's real and actually happening?

In the future there will be a blue alien dust particle called 5-Leo-DMT-R. Beware of this substance. The R stands for Reverse. - Quantum Toad

@Aakash So... a zombie alien?

I am so alien meditation and self inquiry occur within me. Just sayin'.