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… ground yourself everyone. My honest opinion is that this is a psychedelic induced psychosis and Leo needs to take a break and let his brain chemistry restabilize. It’s embarrassing for me because now I’m following the guy who thinks he is an alien but it’s the cameras fault he can’t show us…

1. There are states you can reach...where you discover that the present moment you are currently experiencing....is a complete an utter mental construction. Mathematics? Do you not realize that mathematics can only exist if you have sensory perception? Explain to me does mathematics exist when you are in deep sleep? 2. You talk about mathematics so lets continue, the more science studies the Universe they keep learning how things are interconnected. Ancient tribes KNEW things like the Stars and Planets impacted our environment and that information is not currently accepted by Western Science. But they can at least admit the Moon impacts the Earth. What if you were to realize....that all of the galaxies that currently exist in the Universe were all influencing each other? How would you feel if you discovered that distance doesn't exist, that everything is perfectly connected to each other and so all life is being controlled and controlling each other simultaneously? What would you say about MATHEMATICS then? HUMANS created mathematics, Alien representations of what we call Math if they have discovered how to transcend the limits we currently have in our construction and modeling of the universe would have mathematics that reflect that distance....is imaginary. Something you don't seem to understand...is HOW CAN YOU HAVE MATH IF ALL MEASUREMENT IS IMAGINARY!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/ Go and read this....if LOCATION doesn't exist, and DISTANCE doesn't exist, then that means ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE ILLUSION. So now you have a conundrum about your so called Mathematics and Science. You see knowledge and its applicability is entirely relativistic and the broader in scope you go the more and more you start to realize....that previous knowledge isn't applicable anymore. Humanity is in the Dark Ages when it comes to knowledge and that is due to our biases. If we could stop playing games and become more honest then we could do REAL SCIENCE. How do you deny the connection between your own mind and what you deem real and unreal. Do you realize how childish we would look to a more advanced species? They would LAUGH AT US. Because of our dishonesty intellectually it took us 2000 years to discover what Mystics were saying 5000 years ago!!! THIS is why Leo says there is no difference between Truth and Love. You can't even find truth, if you succumb to your biases. What use is double blind procedures, and all your other attempts to get rid of bias...when that bias...overlays your own reality. What if every Scientist you have in your industry shares the same bias? Then they will never discover the TRUTH no matter how many models they use. This bias can not only be seen in Science...but in entire civilizations. Its why we have a lack of parity and so much discrimination and confusion because every POV thinks it knows what's true and believes it operates in a physical objective reality. That one big assumption....screwed EVERYTHING UP!!! LOL!!

@Leo Gura what do you mean by 'alien'? Do you mean a degree of foreignness so far beyond our frame of reference you label it as alien? Or like some extraterrestrial shit? I've been out of touch with the forum in recent months so to me Leo just sounds like he's lost it a little bit with this 'alien' talk. But then again, at every step of the way where Leo grows to a new level he always seems crazy. A feature of his path I suppose. Or maybe its just the way he communicates, almost seems like he does it on purpose. Probably both...

@Leo Gura Any clear links between your experiences of Alien Godhood and. . . well. . . actual alien beings?

Great points dude! I think his awakenings will never end, like infinity, it goes and goes. Maybe his next awakening is "I became an Infinity of Alien-Gods". To be clear, I'm not sabotaging or making Leo seems silly or whatever. Why not put that way: An awakening is useful to the point it transforms your reality/experience of life/self. If what he'll teach us really transforms our lives and perception of reality, i'm open to all his awakenings and new ways of "actualizing" Consciousness. I'm an optimist and always will be.

This alien consciousness thing is like the whole solipsism debacle all over again... suddenly everyone coming out of the woodwork as an alien

I think the biggest obstacle Leo faces is simply just communicating this stuff to his audience. Once you say "I've had an awakening and its so incredible" then you say "I have had a God-Realization and its way past normal awakening" then you say "I've had an alien awakening which is way past God Awakening" in my opinion, you start to lose merit and trust. Not because it's not True, or that Leo didn't actually breakthrough into some new weird and alien form of awakening, but simply because it feels like a broken record. I'm not saying I'm not open to Alien Awakening. And I'm definitely not saying its "impossible" to discover a new form of awakening that nobody (we know of) has communicated or talked about. It's definitely possible and I look forward to buying his Alien course and going all in on it. I just hope he is aware of the sort of cycle that seems to be repeating itself with the whole "I found a new type of awakening thats way better and bigger than the last" thing. And if so, Leo if you are aware of this, please for the love of god address this so that your audience (we) can understand whats going on with this whole big-picture process of awakening. Why it seem like every year or so there is a new "awakening?" Will this go on forever? How does normal awaken, god realization, and alien awakening fit together? Since reality is Imaginary, How do you know that your ego isn't pulling new types of awakenings out of its ass to fulfill projections? Can't you "awaken" to whatever you want since you are God creating everything? Where does this all lead? How does it all fit together? I guess we will see.

I'm trying to contemplate it. Maybe it's a second body like Robert A. Monroe talked about in "Journeys Out Of The Body" or I'm totally wrong/biased (I'm open to that). What I'm trying to understand: Do we really need psychedelics to access Alien Consciousness? Is Alien Consciousness something permanent or more like states of consciousness (anger, love, desire)? Can we see it with our eyes if Leo is in front of us? What are the possibilities with Alien Consciousness? How to create a modus operandi/philosophy to really use it for good? How it will affect our daily lives? Family? Emotions? Mind? Past? Present? Future? Knowledge? Here we go again

I know sometimes you write things here flippantly, but come on. Are you seriously considering transforming your imaginary physical body into an alien in front of a camera? Or are you rather making the point that Alien Consciousness goes beyond imaginary material reality like "Money, Power, Fame, Sex, Satisfaction, Intelligence, Peace, Skills, Meta-Skills"?

@Leo Gura If you morph into some alien on a YouTube video, that is still me doing that though? I am you, so it's still MY imagination, right? Or is this alien God stuff more complicated? This stuff is sounding scary. I imagine some evil aliens in a different dimension, controlling everything that happens in this universe lol.

My biggest problem at the moment is that I have not been able to find any camera that can record my face transform into a colorful Alien God. When I do, I will post it, and zero words will be necessary. Until then you will not understand.

Does the crowd realize they just witnessed a speech by a Godlike alien love entity?

Well not actually....I made reference to when I first took mushrooms that it felt alien, and I have talked to others on the forums who told me in the past before Leo's Big Alien awakening that they have felt an alien presence. Also again....the Law of One Book... Leo saying he awoke to Alien Intelligence isn't a far fetch....Humans aren't the only living beings in the Universe and I would bet their level of consciousness is much more developed than ours. I have heard they even learned how to create galaxies....so yeah....something to think about.

@CARDOZZO Probably, but that depends on your cognitive and moral development in the first place, and your skill development of your mind accessing and juggling two or more types of thinking whilst in a sober state of consciousness. No, Spiral Dynamics is a modal about the evolution of HUMAN VALUES IN CULTURE. Maybe, that's on Leo to come up with a design a transcendental type of meditation that's alien, as he's coining and introducing that term in the first place. Maybe alien contemplation, again, depending on your cognitive and moral development. Maybe new technology, philosophy, science, medicine, architecture, engineering, mathematics, languages, history, arts, and many other fields of human endeavors. Not only does it depend on the cognitive and moral development, but now it goes from a 'me' to a 'we' scale, factoring in many other lines of societal and individual developments that are affected by the ripple effect of this alien consciousness. WE DON'T KNOW.

@CARDOZZO SD orange values may or may not be as impacted by this alien consciousness state of consciousness, although the intersubjective experience of that type of consciousness is, to me, on a similar level of the eureka moment or epiphany which are world changing insights. I intuit that the majority of mankind, despite their stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development, will unanimously feel a great sense of the fear of the unknown and reverence. All of humanity is very likely to really love or hate Leo for entering that state of consciousness and demonstrating that to the external world. P.S. I had a dream last night, as I spent weeks of contemplating design and Tibetan Buddhism and their way of creating tulpas, and in this dream I became a morphing alien, like a Cthulhu crossed with Metroid series, I just keep on partially and wholly transforming, becoming parts of my environment and parts of other characters. Maybe I was a cthulhu like metroid.

OP: I would ignore anyone that does not believe you. Alien can be states that are so radical that you cannot explain it. But it's also radically different than any, yet utterly powerful and infinite. It DOES NOT necessarily mean it's Leo infinite-alien. But, if you have not even attempted to take a psy and is scared like a tin-can-man, you won't understand. You'd just call it parroting Leo, while parroting each other. OP has already actively admitted that he did not reach infinite alien, but obvious contemplation of its possibility. The beautiful thing about this awakening it's basically infinite / absolute love - which, by itself, is very beautiful when directly experienced. Thank you again for sharing.

How do you know it is "Alien"? Alien to what? Did you take a drug?

then the god that we used to think was absolute, was terrestrial, and this one is extraterrestrial. Well, jokes aside, I think Leo deserves credit. maybe the word "alien" was unlucky as it has relative connotations but i bet leo has opened up to new dimensions

@KH2 Well, until he provides whatever he's on about, all this alien stuff is quite meaningless anyways. I don't get why people are so quick to jump on his train. If it's going to be anything like the total Awakening video it's just to inflate his ego for his own pleasure.

Emerald was last seen five days ago, she did an interview! We need to track these forum members down, drag them back here to show them Leo’s new alien transformation.

It would be based on the empirical research of your own direct insights. So long as you own the fact that it's biased and personal it's still a legitimate tool. After all, everyone has their own personal and unique understanding of SD which is skewed by their own experience, biases and interpretations -- there's no actual "empirical" model out there to cite when doing this research, it exists only in the minds of humans. For example, if I've discovered that I am God and that I've imagined the entire social world that SD is describing, I could say that that's a stage of development and consciousness somewhere on the model based on empirical, albeit solely personal, insight, right? Even though that state of consciousness is beyond all modeling and conceptualization, someone might find it useful for understanding what's being pointed to. I say this especially because I'm trying to understand if these models are at all useful for this new Alien stuff, seeing as SD was one of the ways that I opened my mind to mysticism in the first place. @Leo Gura i'd appreciate your thoughts on this.

Personally I don’t think is the most difficult of challenges for him to perform. Alls he needs to do is make one of his live recordings of an awakening into this alien intelligence and that’s kind of that. We’ve seen the intelligence ploughing through him during recorded live awakenings before so to show us the same with the alien stuff is not that much different. Whether he’s prepared to record himself and feed it to the world on YouTube or his blog is another thing when he rewatches back and contemplates uploading it. End of the day that is the only way. And tbh that is what I believe he will do. We shall see

The truth of the of the other stuff he has said is not affected at all by his claims related to this one specific thing. He could very well be deluded about one specific instance, like perhaps this alien thing in this case, or maybe not, but that doesn't make his other claims less valid, which numerous people have already verified to be true independently. The whole point is to test the claims yourself. It's not for no reason that so many people are saying the same things here after they did the work. I personally doubt the ability to do this morphing in a video, but we'll see. It would be an interesting thing though. This wouldn't personally matter to me at all though, because I don't put any credibility into so-called objective proof, these kinds of things do not actually demonstrate anything if your understanding of consciousness is deep enough. If you want to just listen to his videos and take him on by authority if he can do some alien magic tricks then you will never reach truth that way. You're always supposed to go verify something yourself, no matter how much sense something makes or how much "proof" is shown to you.

I know, it's really orange and pragmatic. We have to see it from all angles. Will it allow new ways of thinking? Alien Spiral Dynamics? Alien Meditation? Alien Contemplation? New Technology, Philosophy, Science, Medicine, Architecture?

Yay! my idol and alien inspiration is more famous now! So! Here are the following questions: How does this impact society? or, how does this maintain corrupted parts of the music industry, hip hop industry and act like a Hollywood type of thing in terms of trying to develop rap music to the higher stages of the spiral dynamics development, or is he settled in repeating values of old school gangsters rap and unhinged, trollism takes laced with incitements of violence and defamation claims? Does this event move rap music forward? I noticed how tailored, with careful measured messaging, how Dr. Dre and Eminem gave their little speeches, and saw how they manipulated the crowd with their origin story and narrative together. What are other manipulative techniques they are doing, that is contributing to this band wagon effect in the crowd? Why should we care at all? I thought he's a rap artist, yet why is he inducted into the Rock'n'roll hall of fame, and not some rap hall of fame? When are you gonna man up and fire a diss track against The Game and The Black Slim Shady? Although the lyrics are loose and goofy, some are outright disrespectful, and hit so hard, especially how he's mock mimicking Slim Shady, over a Royce de 5'9 music instrumental and beat. It's making him look like a general in WW1, just sits back and lets the majority of his fans and stans do the rap battling, which to me isn't a good look especially for a classy rab battle artist, or is it?