Danioover9000
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2 minutes ago, something_else said:Are you stealing copyrighted art if you let it inspire future art that you as a human create?
Should you compensate every artist who’s art you ever looked at because it has influenced your brain and impacted future art that you create?
Because that’s kind of what’s happening with AI art models
Something to think about
If an artist that draws uses many tools, and wants to explore A.I. drawing programs for experimentation, to just try it out for a week, am I potentially stealing a weeks' worth of 100,000s of artworks from 100,000 of artists?
I think the main issue, is trying to make most businesses incentivized to reward artists over time, because the issue is that there's 10 billion or so images in for example googles database. The question becomes, can anyone business survive long term if they prioritize royalties and refunding those billion plus artists? If they can't survive even 1 year of doing that, the majority of small to large business ain't gonna be doing that. So, how do you encourage them to do that, when it's in their best interest to not reward artists at scale total? Maybe overtime, reward a selection of artists?
Very deep implication, concerning creativity geniuses, is that a large portion of our art consumption, even we don't give credit to all our sources of inspiration and sources of aspiration. That's largely subconscious, and we only ever do give credit when it's due, when it largely influenced us to go that direction, so that 1 or 10 artists gets the shout out, but the billions of other artists that draw, or do music, or fight, or dance, don't, simply because they were not titillating enough to get me inspired to aspire to that level of mastery and creativity. So, this issue also is a metaphysical, epistemic and existential one especially to human beings. Can we give credit to every single billions of artists?
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Also, can we stop and appreciate Steven Zapata's drawing ability? It's quite amazing what he can do with pencils.
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18 hours ago, Scholar said:The argument for this was made in the video. With the music AI this is already the case, because there it is more obvious that the AI is actually stealing certain segments of the copyrighted music. The same is true for the visual AI's, just that you cannot copy right the complexities of shapes and compositions because visual art is more complex than music.
It doesn't really matter whether or not it's going to be difficult, in the end you are stealing copy righted art so you train your models for commercial use.
Obviously this is the most profitable way of doing it, if the lawmakers don't stop this madness. The point is that it is unethical, and that the lawmakers ought to be doing something about it, and for that you need public support. The purpose of the video was to make arguments why we should pursuit these ethical issues.
Of course, if you give a corporation the chance to enslave you, they will do it, because they only care about money. But right now it's about making the ethical argument and getting people to agree on it, so that we can strive to create new laws.
Okay, it's an ethical issue. Let's assume we all unanimously agree with it being unethical, the whole art community and the young generation agrees. Great, so, what are our options going forward with dealing with these corporations using A.I. drawing/music/dancing programs? One possibility is a stronger and bigger government...but most young people don't like a stronger, bigger government, right? Most of the Zoomers to millennials have a anti big brother view, like they're some degree of Libertarian. Yet, we need to actually make the government stronger and let it have more control over the internet, the open sources and enforce regulations against more predatory forms of capitalism of the big companies...but some of those big companies fund parts of the government...and again, even the businesses themselves are incentivized against slowing down and rewarding every single artist using their A.I. programs, while their competition delays that or ignores the royalties for profits, which means the government has to step in more and design policies and regulations that effect the economy, markets and business taxes...but if they tax businesses too much, that puts pressure on local to big businesses to go do business elsewhere outside it's country....
Assuming we all agree and are ready to take steps, what do those steps look like to you?
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@Bobby_2021 Honestly, all you had to say is an over simplified argument and claim: all genetics determines the shape and edges of the bell curve, and the majority of your automatic and unconscious/instinctual behaviors. That it. Genetics determines the millions of subtle changes in behavior, physicality and shape and brain modulation and hard wiring. Genetics largely determines body composition and brain shape from the beginning.
After that comes eugenics and how those genes are expressed generationally, and other complicated modals of psychological development and other factors.
The main problem is that on average people here in the forum are not into or interested in black pill ideology, they're here to learn other resources and improve their lives in some ways, no matter how small from resources other users have shared. Or teatime before going back into real-life. So, other than trying to increase the heat of this discourse, I don't see why you keep on harping on about genetics?
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On 2022-10-07 at 2:23 PM, Max_V said:@Leo Gura Why do you find using the cracker slur ok? I get that it might be different from the n-word, because the n-word has all the history behind it, but I feel like slurs in and of themselves are a moral bad, if you want a good and kind society.
Wait, when I read that, my mind immediately thought Chinese crackers, and other crisps and doing a parade of some kind. Is the word 'cracker' an actual slur for some other context? I really didn't know that until now if that's the case.
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2 hours ago, ValiantSalvatore said:I don't know I am practicing my intellectual humility as much as I can while reading about genetics and health factors. When did we become human? Can you explain? Assuming you can handle a simple question and the abillity to remain unassuming? Any opinions on theory of mind? Or this to expansive of a conversation for you?
I do find you interesting. The best thing though is when you destroy and hide sources, and proport exoteric ad hoc scientific racism, you are beautiful
. Maybe you can pay me to buy these journals my insitute is better most likely and still has not money than yours .
Might as well burn it, I do like your hair color. I still don't think this guy has common sense and I bet he likes incel forums. I visted one today for the first time out of recommendation from a friend, reminded me of you. Sorry for these associations. I don't like toxic hyper-masculinity and denial.
A few syntaxes and semantics issues:
*Institute, *visited, *ability *Incel (a) between 'of' and 'recommendation' in the third paragraph. Also, when writing paragraphs indent.
Inappropriate and excessive use of laughing emoji, and in second paragraph, in line 5 you need a full stop after 'journals
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1 hour ago, Phil777 said:wtf.
1 hour ago, petar8p said:I don't care too much whether girl slept with 37 dudes or is a virgin.
37 one will know how to ride better, that's for sure..
Also, much easier to date and have short term relationships with and helps screening process much more. We all live in a society that is progressing technologically, and one way or the other we will have stage yellow to turquoise societies with infrastructures that will support all men or women with their dating and relationship problems, and we all have to start somewhere, and that starting point may look like stage blue/orange methodology with holographic numbers of how often you've slept with people on your forehead, first on your online profile.
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This is a very interesting video of Destiny doing something similar to Leo, in that claiming the wokeness left has gone too far change my mind type of video. I felt this was copying Steven Crowder's approach, but it is what it is. What are your thoughts after watching the video?
bonus video:
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14 hours ago, mr_engineer said:Again, you're making this about me. And you're assuming that I'm not chilled, that I'm heated. That I'm 'too triggered to have a normal conversation'. How dare you assume that about my sanity?! You are shit-talking me when you say that.
No more shit-talk against me on this thread, or I report you. You got a problem with me, PM me. I will not tolerate you invalidating what I'm saying by making personal remarks about me. The problem isn't the personal remarks themselves, but the fact that you're using them to discredit what I'm saying.
How are my questions and statements used to discredit you? If it's a fact, do you have proof that I'm intent in discrediting you?
If I written my posts as personal remarks, can you show me what I written? My reasoning for how I worded those words, is how you've written your posts to other users and me here. If there's miscommunication, and you are not triggered or heated when you've written those posts, then I apologies in advance if that's the case. I just assumed, based on your typing style, that you were heated, and my intent in engaging with you and this topic behind my posts is to try and calm you and those down, bring the temperature back down to room level so to speak with light jests. If you were not heated in those moments, and if there are words in there that you have taken offense, please quote them in here.
If my assumption about your state when you're writing is wrong, could you tell me what state you were actually in when writing, so that I can correctly communicate to you, if you still wish to interact with me in this thread?
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6 hours ago, Blackhawk said:You contradict what you say.
If Ukraine is sovereign, it should be allowed to join whatever side it wants, and not get treated as a buffer state. It should only be treated as a buffer state if it wants that, which it doesn't (smart move).
So if Ukraine wants to join NATO (which it wants. Smart move), it should be allowed to do that, and not be treated as a buffer state.
That is true sovereignty.
If you force them to be a buffer state against their will, you take their sovereignty away.
What do you mean I contradict what I say? Where has my take contradicted?
Can you explain to me why the following you said is a 'smart move' for Ukraine from your point of view:
becoming a sovereign country,
and a buffer state,
not choosing to become a buffer state,
and choosing to join NATO,
while either choosing to or not to be a buffer state? Is being a buffer state a choice? And why did you leave out the other possibilities of:
Ukraine joining Russia instead of NATO?
Ukraine joining with China?
Ukraine joining and making additional treaties and alliances with other foreign countries? Like with the USA? Or some other country?
Also, what is a true sovereign state to you?
What if becoming a buffer state is by survival, and not by choice?
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10 hours ago, mmKay said:Good catch!
I could be wrong, but this case shows genetics and epigenetics at play here. For example, if his parents or grandparents have been consuming large quantities of those drugs and alcohol, they very likely would have passed the genes for his ability to be highly tolerant to big doses of drugs, and the expression of those genes is probably the more important factor here. For example, and I am intuitively speculating here, that his parents could have also given him small quantities of alcohol and drugs, that allowed his systems to adapt to higher quantities as well. That and him engaging with behaviors of consuming those every day helped achieve some alignment with his ability to tolerate high levels.
However, it's obviously not a great lifestyle for the average person.
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Good example of healthy stage blue, looking after your own first before another from some other community.
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@Scholar The tricky key question that's tough to tackle in that video, is how do those A.I. drawing software companies, if this is true that they are copywriting and stealing images from the open-source internet, how would even one company begin to compensate each artist?
Roughly speaking, an A.I program that's open source has access to a billion + images on the internet. A BILLION PLUS!! And some of these companies are relatively new to having a business modal and dealing with A.I. drawing programs, where do they get the funds to compensate a billion plus artists??
What Steven Zapata fails to understand, is the magnitude of this problem, that the internet still isn't as democratized as the real-world societies that we live in. There's no central government body on the internet to add or subtract infrastructure for other users and online communities, and compared to real-world human history, the internet does not have regulations and policies at scale to deal with 100,000 and so communities, not just artists, using the program. Most cases it's decentralized and privately owned web domains, and furthermore, I think the process of notifying each of those billions of artists, along with reviewing each one's right for royalties, is gonna be extremely tedious, so tedious that no sane company is going to risk getting bogged down with trying to be equally fair and equally distribute payments to those artists that readily reply, and to those that are still pending. Also, this problem is more complicated because of the increasing number of online and other businesses using those A.I., either open sourced or privately owned and must pay first, that none of those business is incentivized to risk slowing down to bend over for billions of artists if it hurts their race to gain more profit over their company competitors.
It's a similar dynamic to the vaccine companies racing against Covid 19 like Pfizer and other businesses. There are at least 2 or more possibilities: the company chooses to do the 5-year trial to fully proof the vaccine and know all its side effects or choose to cut corners and save 2 less years to mass produce and mass deliver vaccines to those countries affected by the Covid 19's ridiculous infection rate. If a company does the right thing and keeps conservative, then it can full proof a vaccine in 5 years and is ready to be mass produced, the cost: 5 more years of this virus killing 10 million and infecting 100 million more people, and 5 more years of lockdowns and inflation rates and closed down stores. Or the alternative is rushing the trials, save 2-3 years and get the vaccine mass produced and available ASAP to affected countries willing to receive, the cost: discovering potential side effects along the way, and looking like incompetent fools in the future.
Damned if you and your group does, and damned if you or your group doesn't. Out of the frying pan, and into the oven. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Fucked and skewered while getting roasted. I don't know, so many idioms. ?
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44 minutes ago, Scholar said:He makes a very interesting case. I'm curious what your thoughts are, but please watch the video before you respond because if you don't, your arguments might have already been addressed in it.
It's a decent video, posted it on @Space thread on A.I. ruining art.
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@Twinstar By first starting out how a person defines sanity and insanity, and discussing around these words first:
18 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:Okay, for you and every here, here's the definition:
insanity
/ɪnˈsanəti/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
"He suffered from bouts of insanity".
Similar:
mental illness, mental disorder, mental derangement, madness, insaneness, dementia, dementedness, lunacy, instability, unsoundness of mind, loss of reason, delirium, hysteria, mania, psychosis, craziness, crazedness, deliration.
Opposite:
sanity.
extreme foolishness or irrationality.
plural noun: insanities
"It might be pure insanity to take this loan".
Similar:
folly, foolishness, foolhardiness, idiocy, stupidity, imbecility, asininity, lunacy, madness, silliness, senselessness, brainlessness, thoughtlessness, irrationality, illogicality, absurdity, ludicrousness, ridiculousness, craziness, daftness.
Opposite:
sense.
These are the definitions I've provided; some I like and use in common parlance. If you or anyone disagrees, make the claim and construct your arguments for your case. Otherwise, your opinion is a figment of imagination.
P.S. I love how the opposites are 'sanity', and 'sense', the functional parts of one's mindfulness and awareness in the normal every day, and the similar words of insanity are 40-50. ?
Now we can have a good discussion.
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8 minutes ago, integral said:@StarStruck Not demonizing nor am i attacking you in any way, just pointing out that your centered orange and been around a long time on a self-development forum. Its rare?
What would you say is a healthy pace of development for an individual that's mostly stage orange, in a stage blue/orange society?
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8 minutes ago, integral said:@StarStruck Ur a odd guy lol, if you have nearly 3k posts, you've been around for years now so why are you still centered at orange?
Would you agree that this part of your post communication would upset @StarStruck 'Ur a odd guy lol,'?
Also, does post count equal or correlate strongly to personal development?
*'Ur a odd guy lol' should be = You are an odd guy.'.
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3 hours ago, Yarco said:He's still further up on Maslow's Pyramid than most people here on the forum. No point worrying about self-actualization until you've got a solid foundation of Esteem + Love and Belonging down, which Tate does.
Make sure you're not lying to yourself and thinking you're self-actualizing when really you're still at the "getting your shit together" stage.
Lots of people here can't even get laid or afford to pay for a date. They'd be way happier if they switched places with someone like Andrew Tate or Dan Bilzerian, at least in the short term.
Even once they get bored and realize their life is ultimately empty and meaningless... they still have the resources to go to the best meditation retreats and hire the best life coaches. Imagine just being able to call up Tony Robbins or Eckhart Tolle and pay them a million dollars to talk to you. When it's time for them to self-actualize (if they ever decide they want to), they'll still reach the finish line before ordinary people struggling with meditation and taking notes.
Don't forget Tai Lopez, his Lamborghini, thousands of books, and knowledge is power. ?
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3 hours ago, Kensho said:Everyone can evolve horizontally on their level, but the goal is to evolve vertically, and this is what this forum is about.
Surely, compared to someone on his level who does no self-development work, he has a better everyday experience in life that you may call happiness but it's a house of cards. It would crumble on a big hit like a disease. People like Tate can get humbled by life easily. And then, their actual path begins.
It's what is happening inside, not outside, that matters. Real happiness is peace of mind and Tate does not seem to have much of it.
What do you mean when you say horizontal and vertical evolution?
Is it really a house of cards? For example, you are saying Andrew's life might fall apart, but not make the same claims about Tony Robbins, Russal Brand's or Bill Gate's life being a house of cards. Why?
So, if I feel inside that I'm the greatest artist, singer and writer of all time in my internal or inner game, that nullifies any outside or external game? And how do you know that Andrew Tate has no peace of mind?
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2 hours ago, Magnanimous said:Edit before reading: Chaning self-actualized person to self actualizing
Specifically Andrew Tate.
I know he's extremely selfish, and acquires what he wants, but isn't a self-actualizing person doing all the good habits, eg working out, eating clean, and following their life purpose a lot happier than him? He seems to be just chasing the classic material goals of money and pussy. It does look like a really fun life, and it certainly is the peak of traditional materialist fantasies, but isn't someone following their purpose just better off in terms of mood?
Yes, he's doing, traditionally material success-wise, far better than me or you or anyone in this forum. ?
It really screws with your mind and confidence, like what the hell am I still doing wrong here? I'm doing all the self-help techniques, mediation, reading, note taking, exercising, journalling etc., and Andrew Tate's looking like he enjoys his life.
Is Andrew Tate a self-actualizing human being? A little bit, but not a self-actualized human being yet, still has a lot of personal development to do like all of us here. ?
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3 hours ago, mr_engineer said:You got a problem with me?
You want to talk shit at me, PM me. This isn't the thread for that.
See, like this for example. Now, how am I to conclude that you're not taking this situation personal??? Like I said, Netflix, chill, touch grass, smell rose.
Also, my opinion on this war, just to not get accused of derailing the thread, is that Ukraine should ideally be a sovereign country, that both the USA and NATO and Russia should treat as a buffer state between them. However, both NATO and the USA and western hemisphere and the Russian country and its eastern hemisphere countries are playing a tug of war at the moment, trying to incrementally gain advantages ever so slowly.
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1 hour ago, Majed said:do you guys have examples of religion and religious people at stage orange or green
Firstly, *Full stop, or a period. like this(.).
Secondly, Buddhism, Jainism and Shintoism, the two are good examples of stage blue, the on is a stage blue and purple.
Jesse Lee Peterson, Jordan Peterson, and Andrew Tate are good examples of individuals with religious backgrounds that are at stage orange to blue. Hippies and New Age generation like Russal Brand and Deepak Chopra at roughly stage orange to green with partial religious backgrounds.
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8 hours ago, StarStruck said:Everybody is talking about insanity but we can't even agree on a definition.
Okay, for you and every here, here's the definition:
insanity
/ɪnˈsanəti/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
"He suffered from bouts of insanity".
Similar:
mental illness, mental disorder, mental derangement, madness, insaneness, dementia, dementedness, lunacy, instability, unsoundness of mind, loss of reason, delirium, hysteria, mania, psychosis, craziness, crazedness, deliration.
Opposite:
sanity.
extreme foolishness or irrationality.
plural noun: insanities
"It might be pure insanity to take this loan".
Similar:
folly, foolishness, foolhardiness, idiocy, stupidity, imbecility, asininity, lunacy, madness, silliness, senselessness, brainlessness, thoughtlessness, irrationality, illogicality, absurdity, ludicrousness, ridiculousness, craziness, daftness.
Opposite:
sense.
These are the definitions I've provided; some I like and use in common parlance. If you or anyone disagrees, make the claim and construct your arguments for your case. Otherwise, your opinion is a figment of imagination.
P.S. I love how the opposites are 'sanity', and 'sense', the functional parts of one's mindfulness and awareness in the normal every day, and the similar words of insanity are 40-50. ?
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4 hours ago, mr_engineer said:Don't make it personal. You don't know what I can do for the world. And how important these happenings are for my plans for my life.
But you're making it personal to you from the way you write back to most of us. We're indirectly telling you that you're aging faster because of this.
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Use or not use A.I. programs? Use more traditional analogue drawing, or digital drawing? For clarification.