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integral replied to TheEnigma's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Another important point, is karma from a lower perspective is part of a larger domain of lower spirituality, and most people are in this bubble. Got to really examine your entire concept of spirituality. In the same way religious people confuse what they believe as highest spirituality. -
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integral replied to TheEnigma's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Lower Perspective: Karma = Moral Punishment, "God is keeping count" Higher Perspective: Karma = Indirect Cause and Effect, "Systems balance themselves" Higher Perspective: Karma = Restoring equilibrium, "Harmony with the Whole" So there is no "accumulation" of karma on a individual, no one is keeping count, this is a lower perspective. The system/whole/environment you are in will balance itself out. If your selfishness is not in conflict with the world/whole then you are in harmony with it. This is why trump will have no consequences, hes in alignment with the larger system of selfish delusional people. Karma has nothing to do with morality. This distinction has to be understood. Can you imagine a Nazi complaining about the lack of karma in the world? THEY DO. Because they are projecting there morality on to everything. -
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integral replied to PurpleTree's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
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integral replied to PurpleTree's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Elon takeover in a grotesque shell -
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It's completely reasonable. I wouldn't want to date a Nazi. I wouldn't want to date a unconscious or conscious racist. Someone who is supporting Trump likely has different values then you. But being racist or Nazi is different from supporting Trump even though the line is blurred. Voting for Trump is more similar to personal preferences like someone who has a favorite football team. They're not thinking deeply about this. There are many people who are very intelligent in the public domain who have terrible politics. Even SadGuru voted for Trump. Even conscious people can have good or bad politics. It's in fact very common. Because it's a completely different domain and requires hard work and effort to master that domain that is outside even a gurus awareness.
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integral replied to PurpleTree's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
All your claiming is you don’t like bigger pictures. Do you support the brutality of the Chinese government? Then why not stop buying everything from China? But I guess that’s too broad of a thing to be emotionally invested in? 99% of public out cries go nowhere, and when it does change society by passing laws or something, it’s all backhanded sweep under the rug and replaced by some new law in the future, overruling it under everyone’s nose. Whatever people gain fighting the rich without money or power is a waste of time because it’s trying to fight symptoms, not the root of the problem. Every small victory will always be wiped clean in the end. Look at the housing crisis we are in, none of that has to do with Elon. There is value in people speaking out, but I think the lowest form of that is where people decide to put their money. It’s such a lazy approach. if everyone did it all at the same time and we were all coordinated together, then it would be very effective. But that’s not how it ever plays out in practice. Most people don’t care at all. -
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Alan Watts was an alcoholic.
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People develop in a lopsided way. Your at many stages of development all at the same time. The model understands this. The biggest issue I'm seeing here is people are confusing the model for the examples it gives. For example "stage 8 is supposed to be wise and in unison with nature." < this is a general example that does not at all represent what the model is trying to communicate. You could be at stage 8 and into BDSM, it makes no difference. You could be mature at any stage of development. You could be wise at any stage of development. The stages only suggest one slice of reality and that's your values. Your values tend to go up in a hierarchical way cuz some values are more inclusive than others they take more into consideration. Let me complete and expand on this important clarification: Adding to this crucial point: 1. What The Model Actually Addresses: - It's specifically about the evolution of value systems - Not about personality traits, lifestyle choices, or personal preferences - Not about wisdom, maturity, or "being a good person" - Just about how you make sense of and value things in the world 2. Common Misconceptions: - People think higher stages mean "better person" - they don't - People confuse examples (like "connection with nature") with the actual structure - People think it prescribes specific behaviors or lifestyles - People assume it judges personal choices or preferences 3. What "Higher Stages" Actually Mean: - More inclusive value systems - Greater capacity to understand different perspectives - More complex ways of making sense of the world - NOT better lifestyle choices or personal characteristics 4. Example to Illustrate: Someone at a "higher stage" might: - Be terrible at relationships - Have unconventional lifestyle choices - Struggle with basic life skills - Have any kind of personality or preferences BUT they would have a more inclusive way of understanding and valuing different perspectives 5. The Real Hierarchy: - Not about personal worth - Not about lifestyle choices - Not about wisdom or maturity - Just about the complexity and inclusiveness of value systems This clarification helps resolve some of the criticism in the original text - the model isn't actually trying to create a universal hierarchy of human development, just mapping how value systems tend to evolve in complexity. Let me break this down with concrete examples of how value systems can evolve in complexity while being separate from personality, wisdom, or lifestyle choices: 1. Simple to Complex Value Evolution Example: - Stage 1: "I value what's directly good for me" - Stage 2: "I value what's good for my family/tribe" - Stage 3: "I value what's good for my nation/belief group" - Stage 4: "I value what's good for all humans" - Stage 5: "I value what's good for all living things" - Higher: "I can understand and work with all these value systems while seeing their limitations" 2. Business Ethics Example: Lower Complexity: - "Profit is all that matters" - Can't see why environmental concerns should affect business decisions - Views regulations as pure obstacles Higher Complexity: - Can balance profit with environmental impact - Understands both shareholder and stakeholder perspectives - Can navigate between short-term and long-term benefits - Note: Might still choose profit over environment, but understands the full complexity of the choice 3. Political Views Example: Lower Complexity: - "My political party is always right" - "The other side is evil/stupid" - Can't understand why anyone would disagree Higher Complexity: - Can understand multiple political perspectives - Sees value and flaws in different systems - Can hold contradictory viewpoints in mind - Note: Might still strongly prefer one party, but understands the larger context 4. Cultural Values Example: Lower Complexity: - "My culture's way is the only right way" - Judges other cultures by own standards - Can't see value in different approaches Higher Complexity: - Can appreciate multiple cultural perspectives - Understands cultural practices in their context - Can navigate between different cultural frameworks - Note: Might still prefer own culture but understands why others value theirs 5. Personal Choices Example: Someone with a higher complexity value system: - Might be into extreme sports - Might be very traditional in some ways - Might have any sexual preferences - Might be messy or organized BUT can understand and work with multiple perspectives about these choices 6. Religious/Spiritual Example: Lower Complexity: - "My religion is the only true one" - Can't understand other faiths - Rigid interpretation of beliefs Higher Complexity: - Can see value in multiple religious perspectives - Understands metaphorical and literal interpretations - Can hold strong personal beliefs while respecting others - Note: Might still be deeply committed to one religion but understands the validity of other paths The key point: In each case, what's "higher" isn't: - The specific choices made - The lifestyle lived - The beliefs held - The personality expressed What's "higher" is: - The ability to understand multiple perspectives - The capacity to hold complexity - The breadth of what's included in the value system - The flexibility in navigating different viewpoints A person could be at a "higher stage" and: - Be a CEO or a janitor - Be religious or atheist - Be traditional or unconventional - Have any personality type - Make any lifestyle choices
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integral replied to Loveeee's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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integral replied to Butters's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
so someone figured out how to get rich? -
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integral replied to PurpleTree's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Elon did a lot of great things, he deserves credit, be careful blinding yourself emotionally. -
integral replied to PurpleTree's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Be careful distorting history. We would have no electric car competition between all the car manufacturers. They were all pushed and forced into making electric cars because of the explosion of Tesla. The electric cars before Tesla were poor and not popular and had almost 0 position in the market. Tesla force all the other companies to make electric cars. We would have none today.