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@Leo Gura The "complete run" applies to everything since your life is the only thing that exists. You view politics as the domain of the relative because you still think dying today is worse than dying 30 years later. It all comes back to the "all paths are the same" theory. Although it's not a theory, it's the absolute truth. I know it's hard to see how every curse turns into a blessing and how every blessing turns into a curse. Dying today is no different than dying 30 years later when it comes to pleasure-pain. It's all the same really. Please try contemplating dying today vs dying when you're 85. What's the difference? Contemplate suicide vs dying of old age. Which is more painful really?

Saying that someone suicided specifically because of spiritual work is a bold claim. When I was suicidal, I wanted to kill myself because of nihilism, but when I got older and integrated some matters more properly, I saw the amount of trauma and other matters that were involved in that ideation, that were condensed behind a "Nothing matters, etc.". The reason for that person's suicide is the reason that took him to start spiritual work. The spiritual work was not responsible for it, this work is challenging but it is healing. It doesn't make you want to die, it gives you the tool for you to finally live. That being said, to anyone reading this, if you're depressed or have PTSD, be aware that psychedelics are extremely dangerous to people with those conditions and should not be taken by them.

@The Mystical Man People have commited suicide after break ups. Should we ban and cancel human relationships from now on?

This is true. Like, ideally you aren’t just watching Leo all day. If all you do is listen to Leo, you are being a moron. If you think Leo is better than you, you are a moron. If you think Leo is God or calling himself God and not you, you are a moron. If you think Leo wants you to commit suicide, you are a moron. Or, at least being a moron in that way. You should be so in love with life that you want to learn from all the great teachers. Should want to honour your life. Don’t just sit around watching Actualized.org for 7 years, not socializing or taking action to improve your life then blame Leo because YOU were lazy. My thing is, I love learning. I read books, watch lectures, study ideas, philosophy, self help, etc…. I love the whole self help field and and becoming a philosopher. Each teacher has their own style. I like Leo, and I like the forum. I don’t think Leo is like, my friend or something. He doesn’t hold hands, and give you a hug. But, I think he loves the God in me. That I know.

The book list is actually the best thing about Actualized. That way you can learn about other teachers, and then you don't really need Gura anymore. That's how I "escaped" Gura. I know that not everyone will have the same experience with Actualized, but one suicide is one suicide too many, and there are already two or three suicides -- that we know of.

Leo’s view on suicide in 10 minutes Leo talking about mastering life

@lostingenosmaze At the 44:50 mark he clearly states that his friend was NOT a fan of Leo Gura. It's disingenuous to attribute his suicide to actualized.org. Spirituality can be extremely dangerous so we have to be careful in our approach to it. What is the effect that you want to have on your students if ultimately you don't care about their well-being? What you are currently doing is talking on a public forum (youtube) to impressionable young people. You have an effect on people and it's best that you are aware of the effect. To make an extreme analogy, I can also go to a kindergarten and yell at the kids that Santa is not real. Is it true? Yes. Is it effective? Yes. But at the end of my ordeal, I leave with lots of crying children. Don't you want to understand compassion? Or compassion is no longer part of your reality? Go to a third-world country where a mother is starving because she gave all the food to her children. Look at her face. Really LOOK at her. Maybe then you will understand.

So what if I don't like it? I need to know MORE, ALL. What's the worse that could happen? Suicide? I've seen how I create the illusion of being a body, I've seen that everything is my Mind, I've felt immortal and my room was my divine heaven. I've seen how I was creating my neighbor, I've felt enormous intelligence "backing me up", and more... I also felt like those experiences were the best in my life, the joy of understanding and discovering is better than anything. And I noticed when the little drop of poison (fear) gets in, the whole juice gets bad. That's ego coming back online. And I wouldn't hurt my body.

Please convince me to die, because as I see it, there is no way to move forwards. My roots are cut, unbelievable. If only I knew in the past what I know now... if only I knew. Some people are disgusting and suffocating. I might be that to you, cause everything is relative. There is no way that I'll commit suicide. Simply no way. No because I'm afraid of the pain and of disappearing, but because I'm angry at many people and don't seea good reason why I should die, while they should have it all when I'm better than them.

I tripped on 10gr of dried mushrooms and also on huge amount of mycelium (yeah you can trip on Psylocibe Cubensis mycelium, it depends on a substrate it was colonizing tho) more then a dozen times, lost count long time ago. I don't think it can cause a suicide and stuff like this if you do it responsibly, slowly unceasing your dosage, writing teach trip down/contemplating afterwards and doing regular meditation in a strong determination sitting kind of way. Each huge increase in dosage gives the whole trip a new qualitative aspect. I think each increase by 3-5 grams makes mushroom trips qualitatively different in many aspects. Personally - I'm looking towards trying 15gr and eventually even 40gr of dried mushrooms.

A mental breakdown, trauma, or suicide. Basically any chem can do that at high enough doses. I generally keep my doses moderate, so that I can retain more of the trip. If you blast a high dose you will have an epic trip but you won't be able to retain or remember any of it. But lately I have been experimenting with higher doses. My experiments are not yet complete.

What's pretty sad though, is when i had a choice to pierce my heart and i did it. Everything was lead automatically to the truth. I was shown how sad the gods reality actually is, it's just like an infinite small vibration producing alot of heat what we call love in the total void. In that place there is only your thought that goes infinitely=creation and blackness all around for infinity. God operates automatically in that state and does actions that are best for him, that's why we are here because you don't want to be there. I was literally shown everything what all the quotes meant, what suicide is, how the reality of self is constructed, who are others, how dreams work and so on. So appreciate your life that you're here and just enjoy life without much thinking

data has shown a rise in minors reporting mental health problems https://imgur.com/LQErnFn https://imgur.com/3lq6BL0 It likely isn’t just being more likely to report it, as the rate of self harm and suicide has also increased https://imgur.com/QQSSVsU https://imgur.com/Mngt0SN https://imgur.com/jfsevzp https://imgur.com/zzrVE8m The risk factors seem to be being white, female, and liberal https://imgur.com/xznQzBM Interestingly, conservative girls report less depressive symptoms than liberal males https://imgur.com/xSeagrn What do you think is causing it, and what are the solutions?

I see that education could have a massive impact on the future of mankind. I have many ideas for courses in mind, but I am not sure how to implement them. I may have to build schools in order to make these ideas real. Here are a few ideas for courses in schools and colleges. emotional mastery and meditation Developmental psychology How to distinguish between real news and fake news. (Already starting and we need more of this.). Other courses focused on the philosophy of logic and epistemology can be included. Religious philosophy. This is interesting and useful for understanding many worldviews, but controversial because some religions want only one religion to be taught, but Satanists argue that all religions should be taught. I agree with the Satanist because it helps people learn critical thinking by comparing different belief systems. This unlikely to happen in today's society because of close mindedness toward Satanism. The history of white washing history. This includes slavery, holocaust denial, and one day it will include January 6th. It studies the way in which historical narratives are cherry picked or completely ignored in order to help people gain political power or to avoid accountability. White washing history can lead to future genocides of the previous genocide is denied or blamed on the same group. How to learn. This would be a game changer for education. One of the goals of these kinds of courses is to address our overly secularized society in which emotional mastery and spirituality are underestimated. This backfires on mankind in many ways including suicide rates which could be reduced through meditation and emotional mastery. Other ideas for reforming education include improving access to online education in rural areas of developed country and introducing this technology to under developed countries. This can be combined with reduced classroom sizes to improve the quality of education. How else should education be changed? What courses should be included? How do we make these ideas reality? Do we have to build our own schools in order to make this possible?

@Raze this is a good post that I can relate to. As a teen, I was diagnosed with depression. It is very rare to grow up with a functional family. Fatherlessness is Very high, and it leads to all kinds of psychological illnesses. Men are commonly pushed aside unfairly during child custody fights because of the assumption that women are better parents due to men being more likely to be criminals. In my case, my father really was a horrible person. He was a drug dealer who fled the state to avoid paying child support. Even so, a good father and a functioning family is necessary to avoid all kinds of mental illness, yet 1 in 4 Americans grow up without a father. I would imagine that for orphans this is even worse. Oftentimes women are not ready to have a child. This can certainly lead to dysfunctional families. For example, a woman could be a single mother due to unfortunate circumstances, yet she is not allowed to have an abortion. Sometimes this leads a child to constant hunger and the threat of homelessness. I would imagine that this child would have many psychological issues. The opioid crisis is another huge factor. Not only was my dad a drug dealer, but my mom was a drug addict as well. Sometimes mom would start falling asleep while standing up and picking at her skin. Very often she would get into fights with my step father causing destruction throughout the house. A rise in opioid addiction would certainly cause children a wide range of mental health issues. Alcoholism is certainly another factor. My depression started when I was very young and I was unhappy with life in general. I often wondered how it was that I existed at all. I didn't believe in religion because it was too constraining and holds people back from viewing life from many different perspectives. These underlying existential issues lead to a sense of meaninglessness and often suicidal thoughts. This is a big factor in widespread mental illness. It coincides with the decline of religion due to things like the sex scandals. As more and more people become divorced from religion, they may lose various psychological benefits which were provided through religion. If the psychological benefits of religion are good enough to prevent some people from committing suicide (which it is), then it makes sense that suicide rates would rising. As someone with autism, I felt like a social outcast when I failed to act the way everyone wanted me too. I felt like it was my fault for following my natural impulses that make me happy. This reinforced that belief that I do not deserve to be happy. People with autism have very high suicide rates, and the same is true for other neuro divergents like maybe schizophrenia or transgender people. Persecution against the mentally ill existed in all human civilizations since the dawn of time and it leads to things like insane asylums. Don't forget about heavy metals, pfas, and micro plastics. Our food and water is polluted and it is causing people brain damage. Sometimes people start wanting to shoot up a school, but when the brain damage is corrected, they lose this desire. Heavy metals are poorly understood, the epa and fda guidelines are severely outdated and there are carcinogens in our food, and the American standard diet is horrible anyway. This causes all kinds of mental and physical illnesses. As others mention, social media is certainly a huge factor. It messes with our brain chemistry and is addicting like crack. There have been studies done on things like porn addiction as well. It coincides with a sense of meaninglessness. America is a mentally ill nation. Just one of the things I mentioned above is enough to cause people depression, yet many of these are wrapped up into one for nearly everybody. Do not be surprised when so many people are committing suicide and we constantly feel socially isolated. It is no wonder that America is in the current state that it is. Maybe if you are referring to social media. This idea does not account for opioid addiction and fatherlessness.

Why is all-in a good startegy? He apparently fled failed the physical test and was enlisted by an error. Nicola Geier knew him, these are stories from retreats with Shinzen or from his aduibooks lol, she had to serve for Hitler and was also like me Germerican for simplicities sake. Hitler pushed her down the stairs according to the story and he was an real asshole. She and many other stream enteres can tell according from a "Jewish" person Shinzen, that he spoke from no-self at times. Basically stream-entry. Maybe Nicola Geiger reported this, yet these are stories from people closer to this time period. If he'd had real balls he'd commit suicide and apologize to this folk, for misleading them, maybe it was better with some technical knowledge, I don't know how much Germany had to pay back during WW1. Somehow she lived in Japan she called Shinzen Stefan, even if his real name is Steve. I don't think with that comment that and sorry for saying this you read any books in your life all your comments are based on authority and 0 wisdom and knowledge, neither anything of value that I don't already know as if have heared, it'll be some sort of regurgitation. That comment shows me why I will take everything in power to move to the U.S this level of blindless following. I respect every German who crossed their arms and did not make a "Hitlergruß" I dunno. I don't like technical details about history... it's fairly easy to remember them and the debate quality of the stuff, I never had a proper discussion, besides with a few more aware humans. As it's about the worldview and intuition for me. I checked some other stuff for me and good old hitty both being Infj tells me plenty about this guy's thinking, I dunno where you are going, without facts and data we are getting no where. I feel bad for him to let himself be tricked by his own mind. Understanding Hitler is a waste of time for me personally, I've had enough history lessons with straight A's about WW-2 it's such boring regulations. This has nothing to with facts, yet with understanding the mind. If you'd partially understood Hitler, you would feel bad for him like OP and have some heart for him to win the war. You comment legit showed me why I move my ass from Germany. I can't believe how sheepish this country is. As well as creat world domination, that is true authority like an arbiter. Trust me I most likely get more inspired watching this as you ever will. For me you lacka global view, I bet you also never lived in another country, nor seen a military facility.

This kinda gives suicide bombers/9/11-hijackers a whole different perspective. Surrendering yourself to God/Allah. I guess the fastest way to realize your true nature without all the hassle Lol.

From my understanding (according to Buddhism or some other spiritual sources) sleep is related to death in that the last thought we have prior to falling asleep is the first we will have when we wake up and so in a similar way the state of mind in which you are in when you die will determine your next life (that is if reincarnation exists). However thought is just a form in the mind. Does the mind go on after death then? It seems quite contradicting and also a form of scare tactic. What are your thoughts on this and reincarnation in general? better than that what kind of direct experiences have you had meditating that lead you to believe what you do about reincarnation?

There is no way out of this "mess" other than going in. The seperate identity is the sadness. What you are sad about fundamentally is your disconnection from God. Other people are in the same boat as you, and it does no service to feel sad about them not giving you the Love that your hearts wants. Its all an illussion, don't feel bad. Society is superficial. Living an egoic life is superficial. Everybody feels this lack deep down. Its all a game. All of it. But it is indeed perfect and if your take a look at it from a higher perspective it is so funny. And to all who have read this thread. Suicide is not the way out.

if you say so... But there are collective suicides, of sects where everyone commits suicide on the same day, of suicide fashions because they talk about it on the internet. there was even a fashion in the baroque, the wherter effect, for a goethe novel, as the protagonist committed suicide, many thought it was an elegant gesture and they committed suicide exactly like the guy in the novel. when kurt kobain commits suicide, the number of suicides in the world increases, etc.

Thats also what I intuited. But it was also in regards to physical death. The way Leo puts it is that every incarnation gets to Omniscience after physical death, which is not true from my understanding. That would mean that suicide in every situation would lead to this Ultimate Realization.

Its lot more complicated than that. God is not directly dreaming being a human. It is but what I mean is there are many layers to it. You have a physical body obsviously and than an energic body, astral body and a soul vehicle. The seperation doesn't begin with the ego but with the soul. Realization is the soul/individuated perspective returning to the source, which has always been here, but hiding in grids of illussions. Death is imaginary from the Absolute, but this insight doesn't free you. Obviously even going after absolute freedom is still a dream, God is way beyond that. But thats the game that is being played. What Leo is talking is not wrong per say, but don't get the idea that suicide leads to this realization.

Suicide Prevention Resource Center https://www.sprc.org › news › wom... Women's Suicide Rates Are Increasing Faster Than Men's. We Asked Experts Why Jun 22, 2018 — National data suggest that the suicide rate is rising faster among women than men. A recent report from the National Center for Health Mental Health Innovations https://mentalhealthinnovations.org › ... ONS report shows alarming rise in suicide rates among young women Startlingly, females aged 24 years or under have seen the largest increase in suicide rate since ONS records began in 1981. There were 3.6 deaths per 100,000 maxwell.syr.edu https://www.maxwell.syr.edu › article Suicide Rates Have Soared among Middle-Aged White Women in the US Overall, rates among white women are highest for those ages 45-54, reaching an unprecedented rate of 14.3 deaths per 100,000 white women in 2017. The

Yeah fair, I havent delved into the suicide statistics but I guess what would be relevant is whether men are killing themselves at a greater rate that women now or has it always been the same ratio? It's currently 75% of suicides are male. The other issue in terms of girls doing better than boys would be more pronounced now because girls are encouraged to do well at school and in academia where they wouldn't have been before. In fact there are a lot of programs to get women into different fields that they may not have considered before. Of course none of this is bad per se but it does mean more competition for boys that older generations wouldn't have had, meaning that it's harder than it would've been before, which is great in terms of getting the best people but it will leave some men purposeless. Having said that, masculinity crisis is probably exaggerated and overblown, I'm just pointing out that there are some things that have changed in society which will make some men feel a bit lost if they dont adapt.

I appreciate your answer but that's all just social media hysteria. 1950 suicide rate per 100k is 21 in 2016 its 21. Addiction, consider alcoholism say pre 1990, it's just been replaced by other drugs now. https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/ The Globe and Mail https://www.theglobeandmail.com › ... Girls have actually always done better than boys at school, study finds. But why? Apr 29, 2014 — In those stereotypically "male" subjects, girls have either performed just as well as boys, or do better. These results were not only