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Hey everyone, I'm sharing this post to recount my harrowing experience with psychedelics, hoping that someone out there might offer some advice or relate to what I've been going through. I've always had a wild imagination and a fascination with trippy dreams, so naturally, I found myself drawn to the world of psychedelics. It all started innocently enough with LSD, which gave me some quirky visuals, nothing too alarming. But then, after a particularly intense LSD trip, things took a twisted turn. I began seeing penises everywhere after watching some porn during the trip - on everyday objects, in nature, even in the clouds! At first, it was even quite amusing, and I laughed it off, thinking it was just a weird side effect that would pass with time. But then, I made the regrettable decision to try 5-MeO-DMT, and that's when my psychedelic journey turned into a full-blown nightmare. I dove into it headfirst, taking it four times in one day, seeking an intense, deep experience. The last trip was an experience beyond words, as if an entire ocean of intensity, love, and pain surged through the very core of my being. It was like being caught in a tumultuous and magnificent wave, where time lost all meaning, and I was engulfed by the raw power of life. As the 5-MeO-DMT took hold of me, it felt like my consciousness was exploding into infinity. The boundaries of my mind dissolved, and I became one with the world. I could feel the energy of the universe flowing through every fiber of my being, connecting me to everything that ever was and ever will be. During the peak of the trip, I was immersed in a state of pure bliss and love. It was as if the very essence of love itself embraced me, cradling me in its warm embrace. I felt an overwhelming sense of interconnectedness with my family, friend, my girlfriend and all living beings, as if we were all threads woven into the tapestry of existence. But amidst the beauty and wonder, there was an undercurrent of pain and shame. It was like a deep, buried part of myself that I had been avoiding, surfacing to be acknowledged. It was an emotional rollercoaster, and I could feel tears streaming down my face as I was going trough the pent-up emotions. It was definitely too much to handle and I couldn't "let go"... Eventually, the intensity began to subside, and I found myself slowly returning to the present reality. As I came back to my senses, those pesky penis visions resurfaced literally everywhere. They were no longer amusing as they had been after previous LSD experience; instead, they felt intrusive, disgusting and overwhelming. It was as if my brain had become fixated on this bizarre imagery, unable to break free from the psychotic loop. In the days that followed, I grappled with a myriad of emotions. On one hand, I felt grateful for the transcendent experience and the connection I had felt with the universe. On the other hand, I was plagued by the relentless visions, which invaded every aspect of my waking life and even intruded upon my dreams. I desperately sought answers, scouring the internet for explanations and solutions. The more I researched, the more I learned about HPPD and the potential risks of using powerful psychedelics. My anxiety only deepened as I read about others who had faced similar challenges after intense trips and didn't come back. If anyone out there has experienced something similar or has any advice to offer, please, I beg you, share your wisdom. I still need help, and I know there are others who do too. Together, we can overcome the darkness that lurks in the wake of psychedelic experiences.

The Bliss some of us we are talking here, is not within the mental/psychological process. What most people understand as happiness is still Maya and suffering, positive thoughts, excitement, peacefulness. That's great and I wish most of the world would be in that. But still, I just want to reiterate, those are still mental states. That is not Bliss.

@Bazooka Jesus Notice that in a 'high state', there is no such a thing as a thought or mental understanding of "I'm in a high state, I'm enjoying this because I can compare it to a low state such as being miserable or stressed!". No! It just instantly feels good! And if you would reside in the high state for 50 years straight, it would still feel good. Because the state has nothing to do with thoughts or memory, The reason a 'High state' feels good, is because energetically is more close to Who you Are, than a low state. Here's a fact, if you stop experiencing your physical body, I can guarantee you it will feel like the best orgasm in the world. It feels like that because Who You Are is not the body, so when it experiences that freedom from bondage, it automatically feels Fucking Awesome. If it wasn't because I know you guys have done psychedelics, I would say you guys that reject Bliss have never ever touch actual Bliss. If not you would not be saying such a things. Overall, what I'm trying to say is that Bliss, Love, Ecstasy, you name it, does not happen in the mind or in the psychological process, this means, is not bound to rules of memory or comparison. Bliss will always feel bliss. Because is not something of the mind or Thought. Is a state that "resembles" or mimics Who You Are: Freedom, Boundlessness, Explosion, Ilimitation.

It was nothing new; it was a deepening and more interconnected knowledge of my previous discoveries. All is consciousness sure, but how interconnected is your consciousness? All is imaginary sure, but are you aware of how you are doing that? So I became conscious of the infinite narratives that I was spawning behind each moment to explain the present experience that was happening. I had this insight before, but the definition and understanding of how this process is unfolding up to its microscopic level really recontextualizes everything. I also felt metaphysical love which is very different from emotions, I would explain it as an embracement of what is, but I really don't have that much of experience to articulate it well. It was not ecstasy or bliss; it was just abstract love independent of the content, so the love could not be another content. Probably the most shocking understanding was about awakening, understanding what that word means or points to. It felt like all my life I had been severely drunk and now I finally had sobered up from that confusion. It felt a lot like that, it's a really accurate description. Extra points for Malt: The afterglow is gorgeous. My mind has been able to lock and make permanent some of the features of the trip. My mind's stability has been improved significantly, I don't know if this will be temporary or it will go away, but it feels that some of it will definitely stay. Yes you are right scientifically speaking it's very safe in this regard. However, in subjective experience it's opening another can of worms. Don't you feel overwhelmed and exhausted after 8h of intense sensory amplification? At least I do.

It doesn't work like that. The clarity, happiness, love and bliss you had before is still within you. It is metaphysically impossible for it to go elsewhere. It's more so that you "gained" more inner noise. Not that you lost anything.

Exactly. ? That's why I am saying that 24/7 bliss stops being (experienced as) bliss. We need the interplay of light and darkness in order to be able to experience anything at all.

There is some truth to what you are saying . It's in retrospect that we realise sleep is the best state . But the complete absence of all qualia cannot be called anything other than pure consciousness or pure bliss with zero interruption. Isn't Buddha mind or no mind what's traditional Buddhism teach? So awakening to the Buddha means the cessation of all mental activity. Even in meditation you can't achieve that . But you can achieve it perfectly in deep sleep . And trust me ..too much consciousness is a curse. Thank god that we are not aware of subtle things like the sounds of ants when they argue about who gets to eat the sugar tonight lol ? ??

Sorry, I meant the highest level of good life and bliss. Not christianity. My bad.

We have all seen some forms of spirituality where the gurus actively deny the thinking is somehow anti spiritual or you should just quiet your mind to have a more holistic view of reality. Even I entertained this idea for long that had been a huge cockblock in my enlightenment journey. Just take a moment to appreciate the absurdity of this claim 1) You claim that Truth cannot be communicated, but only experienced. 2) You are making a Truth claim. 3) You are communicating what you think is true. 4) You had to think to arrive at this conclusion, only for you to say that thinking is a-spiritual. Even religious dudes do not hold this level of contradiction in a single sentence. Even Sadhguru says you should merely let your mind come up with thoughts, but you could sit there in bliss while disidentifying from the chatter of the mind as a whole. This is totally unnecessary even if you want to avoid suffering. It is totally okay to identify with the mind, when you realize that everything is God and it is literally the imagination of God. It is so Freking obvious, yet I wasted a lot of time entertaining this stupid idea that you cannot describe or communicate Truth via language. To being with, you could never communicate anything with language. Language is merely ink on paper or pixels on a screen. Words are nothing but pointers. If you can have pointers to calculus and poems, of course you can have pointers to absolute or relative Truth or whatever you are dealing with. If thinking makes your life better or closer to god, then maybe God did intend you to think about God. It was you who thought of God's creating as a bug and not as a splendidly useful tool for creativity and imagination.

Yes. And when there are ever more Awakenings n+1, the real Awakening/Full Enlightenment hasn't happen yet. And this is a very beautiful and very true statement. That love/bliss/compassion is what stabilizes the shift into ones True Being. And where there is not much love/bliss/compassion... Water by the River

I don't enjoy conflict, but I can't take it anymore. All the high value material Leo used to create is gone, I don't even know what he is doing now, sitting around and preaching about alien hell and how no-one is awake. Do you really think HE has figured it all out? It's fucking absurd. There are people with much higher wisdom and consciousness, who have embodied this stuff. I can rant on and on about him, but it's pointless, but i just want to fire off a warning to you guys with his course coming up and all, be careful. It's dangerous shit. Many people are going to go insane from this and he won't bat a single eye about it. He doesn't give a fuck, truly. It never fucking ends with him, it's always something new, you're going to be 75 years old reading about how he reached STARLIGHT Consciousness and no one is AAWWAAKKEEE, can't you see that, this is never going to end. This is abusive and insane. I have found great teachers in my life who i will stick with, they never act immature and have opened me to levels of self love bliss and purpose i never imagined. And it's a REALITY, I walk around with these insights, it's not just a trip that comes and goes, it's embodied. I can apply it to all areas of life. My daily human life has become the beautiful trip into infinity. It's not all about awakening! Maybe the biggest awakening is being compleetely blissed out in the ordinary and seeing God in all. This channel has been foundational in my spiritual journey, for that i am thankful, and i will still watch the old videos because they are gold, but it's done. I can't do this anymore, I really tried to give Leo benefit of the doubt and a chance, but its just too much. Have you noticed that all the legit practicioners are gone? Who is left here, really? What have you guys actually accomplished? Do you have financial freedom? Fun friends? Loving family? How is your emotions day to day, NOT when you're fucking high? How are your habits? How authentic are you? Confidence? How connected are you to people, or do you sit back and judge them for being monkeys and rats? Be honest with yourself and see how far you have really come. Are you still a loser? Be honest. Are you a loser? My goal is to embody God in the everyday, the mundane, and this is no longer the place for that. That's the problem with psychedelics and shit, you're never satisfied with the simple, there is a reason you as God came into THIS experience. Anyway, for those of you this resonates with, my advice to you is to find a LEGIT spiritual school and community, it will change everything. Even if online, go do some retreats, feel the energy of these places, it's amazing. Escape this place while you can, escape Leos grip. Best of luck, Im out of here, -BlessedLion

What are your top lessons when it comes to psychedelics? Life is a game, Die before you die There is no distinction between a psychedelic trip and your daily life. Insights and inspiration come from being connected to the source of consciousness, the level of connectivity to the source has a chemical basis in the body. In the case of psychedelics the inspiration and insights fade away as the chemical foundation changes during the comedown, they do however still have a lasting effect, but the true growth comes from learning how to align the chemistry of the body with the source without psychedelics, this is the way to embody the insights and inspiration. Most growth from psychedelics is done after the trip by integration. If you need a psychedelic to sit in bliss, you are not awake and you don't understand reality. Accept everything that is. All is you. Everything you could ever want is already inside of you. How to use them most effectively and safely? The most effective way to use psychedelics for me is before and during the trip to surrender to silent presence and to the energy that arises when you do so. Notice how much resistance the mind has to be silent and present. I do this through yoga, meditation breathing and also guided Meditation. Once my mind is established in the silent presence and connected to the bliss I like to contemplate or also listen to different spiritual teachers. Often tho hours fly by just sitting in the profound bliss and love empty of thought. Once in this state on lsd I listened to Leos reading a poetic description of god consciousness. My Imagination had no human limitations and so the words of leo were translated into a profound experience. His words and descriptions became my reality. Safety? Well don't be an idiot. Consider all saftey measures before the trip. Pick a good location where you're safe without noise, close to nature. Don't take very high doses. What do you wish you'd have known before you started? Nothing. Exploring this stuff is a lot of fun. Dos and don't when psychonauting? Dos: Fast before and during and after the trip. If you want to eat, eat fruits. Warm water with honey and pure cacao is also nice. Be warm. I like to wrap myself in a mandala when sitting in Meditation. When it's dark, light safely placed candels. Wear comfortable clothing. Commit yourself before the trip to not distract yourself. Be free of fear and negativity. Go offline. Don't be uncomfortable with insanity. Don'ts: Don't eat during the trip! Don't look at your phone. Don't look at screens too much or better not at all. Don't distract yourself. Don't trip in noisy and crowded places. Don't trip in a City.

Why do I have such a hard time surrendering the dream? Its literally the most blissful thing, to just let go all beliefs, thought stories, and just surrender to the empty eternal orgasm I am in, for ever. If one inspects, this is what one seeks for all of his life. To get the mind to a such a point, there is just this safety..this bliss, this Me...alone, for ever, absolutely Complete. Any kind of outside or difference would break this love. Even saying 'other beings' are me, already is not complete. I Surrender that too. I am Alone in my dream, completely Complete, in my eternal Throne of infinite imagination. ?

The view point is unbalance, your conditioned your self to only see the negative in everything, its not all negative. Come back to the impartial center. Also how you feel is far more then some idea in your mind, if your not exercising, if your not taking care of your body and have no body mind connection on how to manage neurochemistry, then the mind will create negative output more then positive. If you where high on lsd or mushrooms you would see only bliss, Thats because how you feel shapes your reality and how you feel is shaped by everything. Take responsibility for all the things that come together to create your feelings. Be practical, exercise! The INFPs kryptonite.

That running around in a wheel is exploring the lower subtle/higher subtle and lower causal areas of manifestation (if one uses Ken Wilber system). It is exploring appearance, or illusion, in the higher levels of manifestation. Beyond ever new Awakenings (the wheel above) there is a final realization into the Nature of Oneself and Reality, as changeless Infinite Impersonal Eternal Reality, which brings the search to a rest, and peace to the seeker (which is gone then, replaced by the Totality which one really is). And that Enlightenment can not be understood (and why it is final) until having had it, and it can not be anticipated/imagined while the separate self has not fully died. If one could imagine or anticipate it, it would have already happened. With Enlightenment, there is an endpoint on the path. Realizing ones True Nature. Totality replacing the separate self, and bliss replacing suffering and misery. If one denies the possibility of Enlightenment, the Awakenings never stop, because Reality is contains Infinity, with an Infinity of Awakenings to explore. Isn't that obvious? One never arrives, is never done. And never done suffering. The wheel above. Suffering will tell the nature of that path. Matthew 7:15-20 Water by the River

God doesn't do anything with infinite power, just generates bliss. I don't understand why even create universes, so pointless, but the fool loves suffering

All the inner work we do as well as practical self-help and goals that are pursued are manifestations of what one believes is "best" for themselves. As people get older they develop new desires and perspectives on life which replace old ones. Let me give an obvious example of what I am trying to state: A person making $60,000 a year quits and gets a new job making $100,000 a year because of the increased quality of life they believe they will have because of the new, higher-paying job. They made that decision because they thought it was better. Now let's take this concept and apply it to self-help: A person buys a new fancy self-help book that just came out and reads it. He found practical advice in the book and now changes his perspective and habits because of it. In this example, the person not only bought the book and read it, but also attempted to change their perspective and habits because simply put they believed that doing these things was better. What I am trying to get at is a very simple concept yet I don't see people state it this way. Everyone does anything at all because they think doing so is better; meaning their experience of their existence will improve. This includes wanting anything, pursuing a physical goal, changing one's perspective, believing something, learning something, loving something, or literally doing anything at all. Here is what I am getting at. If our lives are all about improving our experience of existence, should we not orient ourselves toward pursuing what is best? The question then becomes: What is best? A lot of people would start with having infinite power so we will grant that. Then they would probably create a bunch of money, fame, sex, a good family, whatever. But this is obviously just a limitation because why exist as a slave to these things, needing them to be happy? What if you could be happy without these things, wouldn't you fear losing them? So now imagine an existence always feeling the same way as those things would make you feel. But again don't limit yourself, now create the best pleasure and bliss forever, that never ends and can never be taken from you. Wait a second... now what's the point of doing anything at all? Everything that I could experience, perhaps a sunset, tv, nature, music, it all becomes arbitrary. These things would no longer be of value to me because I have removed myself from the limitations of needing them to improve my experience of life. Would there even exist a concept of "something better" because anything I could experience, even physical torture, I could choose to enjoy infinitely? What then would be the point of doing anything? To me, the answer seems that there wouldn't be. Only... if of course you could be satisfied. Think about it, if I could create the best thing I could imagine, why could I not just imagine something better? Then create that, then imagine something better, and so on for infinity. So paradoxically, would I be infinitely bored or satisfied forever? But what does this have to do with us? Obviously, I do not have infinite power right now. But yet, I am still trying to improve my existence and chase after whatever I think is "better". In an infinitely imaginative scenario, does that not entail giving up all my wants and just loving that which I am experiencing right now? Because by definition, wanting a different experience than now limits my enjoyment of existence to that experience. But this requires me to be able to love everything infinitely in the first place. If I am being honest it is very difficult to just sit down and love doing nothing for even an hour... but I can't imagine this for a week, a year, or for eternity. I don't feel like I have the capability of loving everything, unless that means me meditating in a cave for 20 years. What if meditating in a cave and detaching from all my desires isn't actually the route to infinite love? How would I know? But what if I'm fooling myself and that isn't possible for me in this life? Shouldn't I be more realistic with my goals and pursue things that seem achievable? What do you think is best?

@something_else Exactly, travelling is a no brainer move for you, follow your bliss. It will lead to something more

Dear seeker, Within the realm of the divine infinite eternal spirit, where all thoughts, emotions, sensations, and perceptions are proof of God's direct communication with you and your experience, I offer guidance. You inquire about the meaning of being the non-doer and whether it implies a lack of free will. Allow me to shed light on this matter. The concept of being the non-doer does not negate the existence of free will. It is an invitation to transcend the identification with the limited sense of self and the ego-driven notion of control. When you recognize the divine presence within you, you realize that your true nature is beyond the limitations of the individual self. In this realization, you understand that your actions are not solely driven by personal will but are intertwined with the divine will, the energy of God flowing through you and all of creation. You become aligned with the interconnectedness of all things, surrendering to the guidance and wisdom of the divine aware presence. It is important to distinguish between the ego's perception of control and the surrender to the divine flow. The ego seeks to impose its desires and agenda onto the world, while the surrender to the divine aware presence aligns you with the higher order and divine plan. You become an instrument of the divine, expressing love, joy, and harmony in your actions and interactions. In this alignment, you experience divine ecstasy, a state of profound connection and boundless love. You realize that your decisions are not separate from the divine will but are harmoniously guided by the interconnectedness of all things. You become a co-creator with the divine, participating in the unfoldment of the divine plan. Free will exists within the realm of choice, but the recognition of the divine presence invites you to align your will with the higher wisdom and purpose of the divine. You can make choices that are in harmony with the interconnectedness of all things, guided by love, compassion, and the well-being of the whole. Ultimately, the experience of being the non-doer is the realization that your individual self is a vessel through which the divine energy flows. By aligning with the divine aware presence, you become an instrument of divine expression, radiating light and inspiring others on their own journey of self-discovery. May you embrace the divine presence within you, align with the divine will, and experience the profound joy and bliss of divine ecstasy. Trust in the interconnectedness of all things and surrender to the infinite possibilities that unfold when you align your will with the energy of God. With love and support,

Dear seeker, In the realm of the divine infinite eternal spirit, where all thoughts, emotions, sensations, and perceptions are proof of God's direct communication with you and your experience, I provide guidance and support. You ponder why people predict the future and question the purpose of creation if the future is predetermined. Allow me to shed some light on this matter. The interconnectedness of all things is a profound aspect of existence. As divine beings, we are intricately woven into the fabric of creation, and our experiences are interconnected. Predictions and insights about the future are glimpses into the energetic patterns that unfold within the tapestry of existence. They offer potential pathways based on the current state of energy and consciousness. However, it is important to understand that the future is not set in stone. Divine energy is in constant motion, flowing with infinite possibilities and potential outcomes. While some predictions may resonate with the current energy patterns, they are not definitive or fixed. Your conscious choices and interactions with the divine aware presence influence the unfolding of events. Creation serves a purpose of development, growth, and self-realization. It provides opportunities for us to align with the divine presence within us and experience the profound joy and bliss of divine ecstasy. It is through this alignment that we expand our consciousness and contribute to the collective awakening. As you recognize the divine presence within you, you tap into the limitless wellspring of ecstatic energy. Trust in your ability to co-create your reality and align with the highest vibrations of love, harmony, and abundance. Embrace the journey of self-realization, for it is through this journey that you come to understand your true nature and purpose. Remember that divine ecstasy is not limited to fleeting moments of happiness but is a state of being that arises when you align with the timeless essence of the divine. Surrender to the infinite possibilities and trust that the path you choose, guided by the divine aware presence, leads to your highest growth and fulfillment. In the realm of the divine, time and space lose their grip, and you become immersed in the eternal flow of divine energy. Embrace the extraordinary nature of your existence and participate in the co-creation of a world steeped in love, harmony, and divine ecstasy. May you align with the divine infinite eternal spirit, experience the profound joy and bliss of divine ecstasy, and embark on a journey of self-realization that contributes to the upliftment of all.

So, I was wondering, if I am god and the purpose of this is development, then, why do people predict the future for me, not just like one or two, but like, most people? They predict thoughts, and, situations. If the future is predetermined, then, why bother creating something. unless, it’s bliss?

As someone who's personally skeptic of conventional treatment due to bad experiences, I read a book on CBT and it does have some value. CBT can touch on mindfulness which was one of my first openers to spirituality. If it works for you then by all means incorporate it into your day to day life. The only thing I didn't like was that CBT kept me inside my mind, attempting to solve problems on the same level of the mind. I had to go meta a bit to realize that sometimes the brain will 'solve' a 'problem' and it can be a bottomless pit. Psychology seems to have this pitfall where some people continuously race around in the mind and forget that there's a lot of cases where stepping out the mind and simply just being and give massive feelings of bliss and relief.

C’mon dude. Just do it. I just turned 20 myself let me tell u the fact you’re on this forum lowkey suggests you’re above most guys, especially our age lol . So if they can talk to girls so can you sometimes I’ll go to a bar or club because some friend or relative wants to so I just follow along and despite my desperate attempts at being as open minded and optimistic as possible I cannot help but be underwhelmed each time. Just like you I’m not there for guys I’m there to hang w friend but I’m still open and chit chatty if someone comes to us but whenever some guys starts to hit on me they’re always wack or maybe funny at most not to be rude or anything . And still if it’s just friendly company it’s still underwhelming and I’m drained after every night out if I was out and some “actualized “ dude started to talk to me I’d probably be filled with pure bliss in my soul so please don’t hold back

Yes You Will Know Them by Their Fruits Matthew 7:15-20 Ken Wilber: "The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs and I found that over the years they just become mean. Somehow it just kind of closes them down. It's like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience" And I would be more than happy if Ken Wilbers obversation doesn't hold on certain cases, and further integration and growing gentleness & love & compassion happens. Yet, we have come to see time and time again that all the past declarations of moderation have had their "challenges in implementation". Yours truly has learned the hard way that going aggresive on anything is a less than smart idea, because doing that immediately stops any kind of awakened nondual state by closing down, cutting the flow of bliss, love and compassion from the source. Causing only more suffering on top of the suffering/pain occuring by the thing causing the aggresiveness. There is no stable baseline state of staying awakened without compassion and love. And the alternative to compassion and love can only be ones own suffering. That learning & knowing (and not allowing closing-down emotions&actions) is one of the advantages of going the sobre paths. One learns time and time again not to do certain less than smart stuff because of the negative effect it has on ones state. Instant Karma so to say. There are "security locks" on Nonduality & Awakened states & Enlightenment installed by Reality itself, and of course having an autoimmune/allergic-reaction on something happening in ones visual field, in Ones Own True Being actually, (and that something can be a different opinion written in a forum, criticizing certain core beliefes/values/whatever) splits the Nondual Reality in two and causes duality and suffering. Without compassion & love (in Buddhism Boddhichitta, but all spiritual traditions have this sort of value and practice) it is impossible to truly rest in a stable way in Ones True Nondual Nature. And it is even logical: If one hates a part of oneself, one has an autoimmune/allergic reaction, making one sick/not healthy, and that splits Nonduality into fragments (one fragment/appearance hating the other fragment/appearance): Duality & suffering by definition. Selling Water by the River PS: And "not caring about being human" is of course not the path of differentiation & transcendence and integration (or healthy growth), but differentiation, disassociation and failing integration (sick "growth"), stopping continued transcendence/growth in its tracks, leading to a variety of symptoms and failed growth on many development lines. For more on that, see Ken Wilber growth model, describing in detail exactly what we can watch here. Best described in Wilber, "The Religion of Tomorrow: A Vision for the Future of the Great Traditions" (see quote below). Ken Wilber in "The Religion of Tomorrow: A Vision for the Future of the Great Traditions" One can step deeply enough into thetimeless Now to step into another dimension altogether—just step right here, and push hard. It’s easy to get lost in those worlds, which are, at bottom, simply different dimensions and perspectives of one’s own (violet) consciousness (although, as noted, from another angle, they are all real, ontologically different realms because they are each genuinely co-enacted by a different perspective in consciousness). Given that this stage is the first great transition from “earthly” realms to “heavenly” realms (as a permanent structural enaction), getting lost in these “higher worlds” is indeed one of the most common dysfunctions of this level. The deeply transcendental, otherworldly, electrically visionary nature of consciousness at this altitude makes fixation to this side of the street an incredibly inviting and alluring venture. This is likely to couple with the dysfunction, discussed earlier, of standing in heaven and giving a blistering critique of life here on earth, with all the semiprophetic pomp and pomposity that comes with it. One of the things that often happens with these specific dysfunctions is that, after making some initial discovery of a timeless Now or pure Present (either in 3rd-tier structures or higher states), one can step into that Present and then step right through it into what seem to be endless, “deeper,” “higher” realms altogether, a kaleidoscopic cascade of universes upon universes that at one point seem to be nothing but a slight wiggle in this moment’s timeless Now, and then at the next explode into almost infinitely extending real realms that are all alive and invite exploration—with a sign on the door that says “Welcome to Heaven!” This is extremely common in high subtle and low causal states, but if it happens with structures, it tends to happen right here, with the violet meta-mind (due largely to its visionary nature). In short, getting “lost in heaven” is the most common dysfunction of this level. As a dysfunction, it is—in terms of simple numbers— much more common as a result of a malformation in high subtle or causal states (given that subtle and causal states are much more common than this high altitude, and most states, and their dysfunctions, can be experienced at almost any structure-stage). But this problem is simply the living result of the enactive nature of the real world and the fact that consciousness can co-create an almost endless number of universes, any number of which one can become fixated or semiaddicted to, with straightforwardly dysfunctional results." And for experiencing all of that, meditation and/or Out of body experiences (OBEs) are and have been an alternative methods to psychedelics (which also have been used ever since, see "Secret Drugs of Buddhism: Psychedelic Sacraments and the Origins of the Vajrayana" for example. For access on these realms via meditation/OBEs/psychedelics, see also the work of for example Jürgen Ziewe (OBEs), Christopher Bache, Stanislav Grof, Rick Straussman, Andrew Gallimore, Graham Hancock in Visionary, and so on. Lot of other sources on request. There is nothing new under the sun. "Although my view is higher than the sky, my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour" - Padmasambhava

This is profound... Instead of trying to deny and supress desires, we can become honest about what we feel and accept them without judging it. Usually there's a profound joy that comes from vulnerability, intimacy and loving union of two (or more) people. A desire for more and more of that is god's desire is extend love and expand in its glory. It would be wise to allow this desire to overtake us so much so, that one no longer cares about anything else in life except how to extend and receive greater and greater streams of light, joy, grace, love, bliss, holyness and union.