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you can function from a silent and open state, understand things and then reason them out and put them into words. For example, when Buddha says that there is a reincarnation cycle, is he doing mind masturbation?

Ever since I was a teenager, the TV in my living room was always displaying scenes of torture and murder. I couldn't stop watching what was on the TV. I mean, what if the stuff in the TV happened to me one day? Everyone will go through something like that some day, right? If not in this life time, I will reincarnate into some other life, and what is happening in the TV will happen to me anyways. I can't bear the burden of having what is happening on the TV happen to me. There are many shows on the TV about reincarnation, so it's entirely possible that I would be transported to that type of reality as well. After all, there are no limits to reality. I could try commiting suicide to try and prevent what is happening inside the TV from happening to me, but I am here for eternity, so that won't work. Oh god, is there ANY way to escape from what is happening in the TV? It's impossible.

Hey All, Again, this is not my personal experience but rather intellectual understanding based on my reading of trip reports and Leo's/Other Guru's videos. Here it is. Leo has been reincarnated. Leo and all those who have had "breakthroughs" on DMT/SHROOM/LSD etc trips. How so? Leo, as well as other people's trip reports I have read say this: "I died." That is how they see the truth. upon their death. Call it ego-death or whatever, but as Leo has said this many times - ego-death vs our normal definition of physical death, are really the same thing. Ego-Death isn't anything less than the "REAL-Physical" death of a person. Now where is the "reincarnation"? Many trip reports I have read, people say that they spent an eternity in that state of one-ness, of eternal bliss or whatnot etc before "returning" back to their bodies. Now people say this also, that when we are born, we "choose" to incarnate in a certain body, knowing all well what we intend to do in that lifetime of the person we are being born as. So what we can say is this, when people who just take these substances have a breakthrough experience where they have an ego-death - they then "choose" to come back to this reality. They come back fresh from having downloaded all those insights in their heads. All the questions answered. and with that knowledge etched in their subconsious, they are usually in that bliss-full state for the 1st few days / weeks after that breakthrough trip. Slowly they integrate back to the earthly life (those who are not on the spirtual path more quickly than the one who has taken the subtance knowing about this) so basically, their previous self before the trip is literally dead. They come back as the "new" version/life of themselves. and this is no different than reincarnation. unsure what mechanism is upon physical-death where the body dies and there isn't anything to return back to... then you maybe "choose" or incarnate near the timeline of ur death... except when we incarte after physical-death, this is done in baby-infant form. where all those insights that we know of, and even the memory of that place, is all lost. even in a fully grown adult state, the experince is barely recalled and whatever is recalled is also said to be a mere pointer and not even 1% of what was witnessed. i feel like this maybe all over the place but yeah, my insight about this is in here somewhere i hope

The essence of all 8 billion puppets is the absolute, and it is inevitably at the mercy of itself. How many puppets jump out of the box on the first crank? It takes tremendous pressure before the coil has collected enough suffering to spring. As you say, the majority will remain trapped within their conceptual box their entire lives. Some suffer less, some more, but a few leverage their suffering to break free from their false identity and become lucid within the dream. Reincarnation is an idea that the psyche continues its journey through the cosmos until it's ready to surrender. Certainly possible within relative reality, but it's only a belief. People tend to think of enlightenment as binary, but there are gradual degrees of freedom within the dream. It's more like a slow-motion movie, where light seeps through the barest crack in the box, as the crank continues turning, and the puppet slowly emerges until it is entirely free. The deeper the realization and integration, the less you suffocate and the more free you become. Eventually in the perpetual state, the puppet wakes up, leaves the box, and is reunited with its creator, which is itself. Blue Fairy: Prove yourself brave, truthful, and unselfish, and someday you will be a real boy. *whispered* Awake, Pinocchio. Awake. *Pinocchio wakes up as a real boy*

I like what Razard86 said, "When the human dies, the whole world/universe dies with them. The appearance disappears until there is a new appearance." IMO it depends on the person. Some people may create a hellish reality. Some may create a similar reality where they still exist on Earth as a "ghost." I think most people eventually "ascend" to a heavenly like reality, which initially may not include visiting their friends and family from their Earth life. Eventually a great deal of "deceased" loved ones ascend to a reality where they may "descend" to Earth to visit their loved ones. That doesn't mean they will invade upon your privacy. They usually visit, often to help you throughout your life and in whatever ways they can. I believe the common construct frame work in this "universe" and the various surrounding layers is reincarnation until one "graduates" off the wheel of life. And for Earth humans that usually consists of a physical death, followed by a life that typically lasts 75 to 300 years, which in itself dies in a flash of light, which may be followed by yet another life in the "mental realms" of immensity, which may be followed by the "Soul" descending to the Earth realm in the reincarnation plane where the soul will quickly find a mother. And from there the soul will stay in the mother's energy field.

I had a psychedelic trip where there was this sense of rebirth and death over and over again in different lifes. I took 400 ug of 1P-LSD and locked myself in a completely dark room for about 6 hours and did nothing. Honestly I have very blur memories of the experience because it was a lot of shit to process. But there was this recurring theme of rebirth and death over and over again, also my personal identify took some radical shifts to the point I wasn't even myself anymore. At some points I thought I was insane to the point of no return. This was about a month and a half ago and I still don't know what to make of it. Anyway, any thoughts on reincarnation or any useful sources to investigate more about this topic? or are this just traps of the mind. Thanks for any reply!

of course reincarnation is real. it’s just that all incarnations happen now. general relativity, the past and future are directly present. Ian Stevenson was the OG reincarnation researcher who interviewed thousands of children who knew super specific details from their previous incarnations’ lives

Oh my god, so much science fiction in one video: It's cool they're working on self replicating robots, but again, consciousness is fundamental to the universe, therefore it requires no outside 3rd person replication or whatever, it's already self replicating via KARMA and reincarnation, starting from formlessness, into form, then when the form is getting destroyed it returns into formlessness to then form into something else. No computation needed, we already have a lot to deal with A.I programs disrupting some livelihoods of people, we don't need self replicating robots now in 50 years.

In your other thread, @Water by the River provided links to another discussion; there is a link to the video of Francis Lucille where he attempts to explain how come your apparent experience is limited while the consciousness it appears in is unlimited. The guy is difficult to listen to, but give it a go. Indeed, think about it: did "your direct experience 10 seconds ago" happen? Did it EXIST? Does it NOW? Well, "the direct experience of @WeCome1 typing out this answer" exists to the exact same extent as "your 10 seconds ago". The difficulty of wrapping your mind around this is, as @OldManCorcoran tirelessly points out, due to the idea you currently have that there are points of view which belong to some entities (subjects of perception); doesn't matter if you conceive of those entities as "points of perception", or "fields of perception smeared all over the phenomena", or some "void that is aware" or anything else, does not really matter. As long as there is any sort of a "subject" - it is, implicitly, finite. And, since it is finite - it must either be one (which points to solipsism) or many (which is a more conventional view). I will not discuss solipsism (Razard is doing a fine job, check any of his threads). But the paradigm of "many subjects", almost by definition, implies that the point of view of each of them exists "somewhere", in parallel with yours; this is what you currently feel like is happening, correct? However, if, hypothetically, we were to get rid of the notion of there existing those entities-subjects, we would not need to jump through all those hoops regarding "what experiences exist, and where do they go when nobody's looking, and do they interact in any way, and what if a tree falls in the forest when nobody's there to hear it?.." It solves, by discarding as irrelevant, the questions of deep sleep, death, reincarnation, karma (belonging to someone) etc. There is this giant, total, infinite "mind"; within it, in the state of "super-position", are all potential "experiences" that could be experienced; they "are" there in a sense that they could become manifested in it; and they "aren't" - in a sense that this mind "forgets" them when it focuses on or manifests another experience. You tell me, how many of those there "exist". But it's all just words. More concepts attempting to describe THAT; a hand trying to grab itself. You don't need it, it's of no use. What you do need is to learn how to achieve the clarity of mind necessary for this to either become self-evident or get disproven as a neo-advaita bullshit another forum member is parroting.

My name's Swarnim, and am 18. From India. I am very interested in the different AI developments and love to speculate about it. Been into spirituality for 4 years now, but more properly 3. I think discussing with someone who is both into AI and Spirituality will be very fun because that opens up the conversation to stuff like souls, reincarnation, consciousness, karma and all that stuff in relation to AI, which mainstream AI discussions usually avoid(except the consciousness part, but they have done such little consciousness work that you might as well omit that LOL).

Reincarnation might be true

What is a soul? How to best define it? Does a soul have a personality of its own? What I mean here is, just like people are different at the level of their mind dew to their learning and personality, are two people different at the level of their soul dew to certain traits? What is a spirit? The difference between soul, spirit and pure consciousness. Why are we born? Is reincarnation true? If so, why are we reincarnated again and again? Do moksha ( end of reincarnation ) a true? Thank You.

And since the True Oneself is still there (by definition) in such empty "horror" states (no observer/subject/witness, or "death without end" as you call it), what one thought one was before is just an appearance/arising/illusion/FAKE. What One really is is perceptions perceiving themselves, nondual, no self with any quality left besides just pure empty awareness watching its own arisings, totally nondual, perceptions perceiving themselves. Also: Since "one" is still there in these observerless-death-horror-states, apparently what has dropped away was some sort of temporary illusion, by definition. So its some sort of Illusion-death-horror-experience, because one is apparently still there to tell about it, and to experience it. That is where the "permanent" or "always here/never not not right here" aspect of ones True Identity becomes useful to identify illusion/temporary arising, and the real (No-)Thing. Steven Norquist describes that like a nice Horror-novel: "Haunted Universe: The True Knowledge of Enlightenment ". When you had enough time in these states, the scary/horror part drops away totally, and is replaced by the bliss of these nondual and empty states. Which is then very(!) lovely. One has a human/ego, contained within Oneself, arising in Oneself, but is no longer only that. One is the Whole Thing, and ever has been. The initial "Horror-Reaction" depends on the speed of being dropped into that Nondual Empty Totality. Psychedelics deliver probably the fastest "drop". When it happens slowly and gradually, there isn't too much Horror in some cases, maybe some scary moments (that is me?!?. But what about "real" me??? . Oh, its the other way round... ), but one gets used to that. All that is lost is an Illusion. What is gained is a Deep Identity Shift, fixing the former mistaken identity/illusion of the separate self-Gestalt-arisings, into becoming the "Whole Thing/Reality itself", and even more important: Into being eternal/invincible (no moving parts anymore that can be hurt or disintegrate, nothing that can get destroyed or even change), into being the whole Reality being able to manifest/imagine anything wanted in Itself, being made of Itself... A total Freedom, because one will never suffer since no psychological suffering arisings will ever "grip" again (at least not in this life, if the brain doesn't disintegrate like Alzheimer and so on) a total Fullness because the Love/Fullfillment/bliss freely flowes from ones Core, and a total freedom from fear, because even if in future reincarnations/shows, the Illusion of separate self-arisings will arise again, it will not affect ones true core, infinite absolute Nothingness/Reality. and probably a certain momentum/Karma of being pulled to get there again in the next play/show/life/reincarnation, if one is inclined into believing something like that. But hey, maybe being a dinosaur next time is more fun, so I am flexible on the concept of reincarnation/Karma and so on.... The Real Me will always be there, can't be not there.... The following quite is like a mathematically precise short definition of the real state of things, that deep Identity Shift of Enlightenment: "We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all." Kalu Rinpoche But the dropping of that Illusion is "protected" by Maya/Lila with the strongest Horror-arisings there can be..... The Horror of being NOTHING/NOTHINGNESS. That experience is like the Wizard of Oz: Appears to be scary, but doesn't really exist. It also only just arises. Funny construction, hm? Selling Water by the River PS: I am not belittling the Horror-Death-reaction described. It is exactly that, but on the next step/steps it becomes clear it has always been like that, and only an illusion dropped that has never really been the case, only appeared so. Then it gets relaxed again... But can feel like the Boogeyman being real in the beginning. Enlightenment is realizing the separate self (the appearance/Gestalt of its merely arising thoughts/feelings/sensations and so on) doesn't exist (the "Horror-Moment" for some) NEVER EXISTED (the big relieve of realizing the mistaken identity of the past), and WILL never (really) exist the Real Oneself/Reality will never get confused or suffer, because its fully empty Infinite Consciousness/NOTHINGNESS/Reality without any specific qualities, but with the potential for awareness if a world-appearance is imagined within it) , but only can contain confusion/suffering arisings of a newly imagined separate self). then, all is good.... and great fun to look forward Francis Lucille: Ignorance is only a bad idea from the perspective of Ignorance. Infinite Consciousness/Reality doesn't worry/suffer. and all of that is impossible to fully get before the Gateless Gate, pretty clear afterwards... PSPS: When it feels like Horror: Good, one is getting closer Further, Jed McKenna-style! And when there is never a fear-reaction when beginning to intuit deeper the rediscovered identity, then its probably not the real thing.

Because, what is reincarnated when there is no such thing as a self(ego)? Yet these two concepts of "no self" and "reincarnation" are compatible in many spiritual traditions and religions it seems. Buddhism for example. Probably a newbie question that's already discussed a number of times. Sorry for that, but I'm curios.

Because what continues after the moment of death is again relative appearance, a "newly" imagined visual field, arisings in the opening of Absolute Reality that you are. The karmic tendencies of your current mind-stream, which aggregate and constitute your Soul that passes from life to life, have not been enlightened before you committ suicide. You have not stabilized your True Nondual Nature yet. Else, you normally wouldn't commit suicide, because it is your creation, and you would life the bliss/love flowing from your own True Core. All of that (Soul, this world, the Bardo afterwards, any other manifestation) is relative manifestation happening in the Absolute Reality/Nothingness that You really are. So it doesn't really exist, but appears to do so. And how much that can hurt (appearing to do so), one knows probably quite well enough from ones current life to take it serious, even if its essence is only Nothingness/Absolute Reality. But if your tendencies/Karma/Souls have not developed in this life to see through the illusion, that will come back again in the next life. Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour. – Padmasambhava And if you kill yourself while your soul still gravitates in the illusion of separation/suffering right now, why should it be different in the existence that reappears after death? The True You will still be there, but the relative mindstream of the reconstituting separate-self will not get any wiser doing stupid things (suicide). So you if you are not going to finish second class because you drop out of school, you are not going to be put into third grade. And how much fun second grade was in that case if you drop out of school you know quite well... And of course dying and approaching the Absolute/Clear Light of Death feels wonderful, like Infinite Love. You can have that experience also while alive with Nirvikalpa. Or drop some Psychedelics/5-MeO. See also all the Near Death Experiences. But when you come out of these states again, the whole enchilada of states manifests again backwards. A similiar process happens in the Dying process after having experiences to so called "Clear Light of Absolute Reality". Nothingness but with a certain afterglow/"knowledge/acess" still available after the experience and while having it, although there is no more duality. As for example the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol , The Tibetan Book of the Dead After having falling out from the Absolute/Clear Light of Absolute Reality/Nothingness, the not so funny stages of the reincarnation-process start, and since you are not familiar with these states/bardos, "relative you" gets frightened/not so infinite loving again... and then after suicide going back to second grade again, to finish the class, so to say. Don't worry, nobody gets lost. All make to the finish line at some point. Since you can't loose your true nature. And I would recommend not walking out of school (suicide), not making second grade, and repeating that 20 times. But of course, its a free country, and the point of the ride is the ride. If you want to repeat it 20 times, nothing will stop you. But why knowingly "shoot yourself in the foot", resisting your own manifestation/show, think yourself of clever and shoot yourself, and thinking that ends school and you go directly to Infinite Love permanently? And I honestly think Leo should add to "Death is Infinite Love"-statements something like: Only in the first stages of the dying process if you have not stabilized this love on a permanent basis before death/suicide, including experiencing Absolute Reality/True You on a constant basis. What follows afterwards experiencing the Absolute/Clear Light of Death in the dying process can be a lot less than Infinite Love. Like in, for example right here and now, depending on the mindstream. Any fool can read anything to the statement of "Death is Infinite Love", and aim unknowingly directly for repating 2nd class 20 times+, thinking he has graduated PhD in "Infinite Love ever after". Karma/Cause-Effect also holds for Leo & your forum & teaching, and having a track-record of (unnecessary) suicides on this board, is... -fill in the blanks of your liking-. In my opinion less than smart-as-can-be. Anyways, as always, bon voyage to all of you! Respectfully Yours Selling Water by the River

I haven't read it, but it sounds very interesting. Yes, psychological death is like undressing at a very deep level, and when you start putting the layers back on again, you become more aware of how each layer relates to each other (or you become aware of new layers you didn't know existed). This undressing process is inevitable, and most people do it only once, and they really want to avoid it altogether. That is what I think reincarnation is for most people: you don't want to do the undressing process, so you instead want to jump straight into a new set of clothes while still wearing the same clothes underneath. I'm saying that it even if it's the case that you'll be given new clothes, you still have to take off your old clothes before you put on new ones. You might remember your old clothes some time in the future, but that will just be a memory. I've heard about it, but I know nothing about it. I've heard about too many weird past life stories to not think there could be something there (but again, I just don't think it matters a lot). This one guy Jan Esmann says he remembers all his lives for the past 2000 years. He is a very interesting guy for other reasons too. I recommend his BATGAP interviews on YouTube if you want to feel like a true spiritual weirdo

The concept of reincarnation - Consciousness playing with form, recognizing itself through experiencing forms, is a deadly threat to the structure of the ego as something absolutely real. In connection with the above, reincarnation - as a game of form - has no right to happen. And this statement, like a mirror, or rather a crooked mirror, reveals the so-called enlightenment. Ego - enlightenment.

Interesting! Have you read Christopher Bache's "LSD and the mind of the universe"? In that book he describes his experiences after 72 well-orchestrated, super high dose LSD-sessions. He talks about this annihilation aspect a lot, which he experienced as well - yet for him, this "death of body and psyche" was the mechanism to gain access to deeper parts of the mind, deeper aspects of the non-dual nature - almost like layers. I love his map because it combines both obvious insides like ego-death and no-self with seemingly true aspects like reincarnation and purpose. If you are interested, I can link you a very good podcast episode: Besides that, are you aware of something called "past life regression therapy"? I am very skeptical about it because the mechanism of action could be manifold and it doesn't prove anything by itself. Also, most people practicing this kind of stuff are spiritual weirdos! But I also know some very sober people with insane stories - so who knows!

I guess my point is that the thing that is kept consistent across lifetimes is not the thing that will console your fears or the thing that compels most people to believe in it in the first place. "That" idea of reincarnation, I don't think exists. To put it more simply, you will have to experience death, loss or annihilation of the most "substantial aspects" (literally) of your current identity (the wordly aspects that most people are aware of and attached to). I know this because I've experienced it (psychological death, not physical death of course, but it's the same experience psychologically speaking ).

I believe that the concept of reincarnation does not make any sense since existence is not a temporary process. There is no re-something. there is only this moment. This moment cannot end and there be another moment later. What can happen is that this moment seems like something else, but it will always be this moment. It's impossible to understand because how's possible that there is change if there is just this moment? Because it's infinite and every change is already here.

If the future is imaginary, reincarnation is also ….

Here is the thing... Once you ask such question, people will come up with all sorts of opinions and believes. Which are entirely based on their (spiritual) conditioning. What is true is that there is an overwhelming amount of case reports regarding young children refering to previous lifes. We know that this has been true across cultures and across time (Pythagoras could remember most of his previous lifes). We know that there is the phenomenon of between life memories. We know that this is a reocurring theme in near death experiences. We know that this is a reocurring theme in psychodelic transmissions. The truth is that there many facets of experience that hint at reincarnation. I personally do not think that this is just a "string of memories seemingly attached to different minds and bodies across time.". Such assumption would create more questions than it would solve. If you ask Leo, he would say that all this reincarnation stuff is something YOU (GOD!) is imagining. I know a deeply realized individual who once told me that during "his shift" (enlightenment) he felt this strong energetic intuition that he went through multiple lifes to end up where he is now. I do hold my own believe, which is: Of course reincarnation is real. Which is based on bayesian reasoning and the best evidence we have. But then again, its "just" a believe. I guess we will find out soon enough anyway

Reincarnation is a central belief in Buddhism and Hinduism. Ironic, since the wisdom of these religions is that beliefs are illusions of the mind. Does it really matter whether or not the absolute reincarnates itself through a karmic sequence of forms, or incarnates noniteratively? Regardless, incarnation is imagination.

@PataFoiFoi You get mind wiped. The periods between death and life are infinite so you will come back whenever it dosent matter. Time dosent exist in spirit. You could loop around the entire universe and see everything and then mind wipe yourself and start over suffering only matters in the moment of suffering. You can exist as god for infinite time and it can be a microsecond here because when you leave time .01 seconds is infinity. If you beleive in reincarnation it means you have been woken before but you dont remember. And you chose to come down to be a human and being a human is finding out why you brought yourself here.

Reincarnation might be true, but once you get reincarnated it will be as though you never even lived this life. You'll forget who you were and that's all. So yeah, reincarnation is probably true. It's just the way it is designed is kind of a useless feature of reality if you ask me. Why God made it this way and not any other way? Don't ask me.