Breakingthewall

It's very different, Osho talks about the absolute being, the fact of existing that manifests itself in the form. God is an entity with desires who dreams your character to live an adventure and he's fooling you in order to make the adventure credible and real. He is creating exactly your field of consciousness because his only purpose is having this experience, then he's not creating anything else because it would be useless. In fact he's you, but he has the power to forget that he's god, because otherwise he experience would be not interesting at all, but there are clues everywhere that you could see and in some point you will realize that you created everything to deceive yourself. I don't think that Osho means that.

@VeganAwake Read again those ignorant people Al hallaj: I am the truth. Nisgardatta: I am that Ramana maharshi: the reality is the I Jesus: I'm the path , the truth and the life Before Abraham, I am Upanishads: Brahman is the self Shivaism: I am Shiva Meister Eckhart: the eye with god see me is the eye with I see god Look, that you feel that the self is not real doesn't mean that it isn't. Some people feel that they should be idols, other that are possessed by demons, there are many feelings, but the reality is more, let's say, logical

And earth is flat and there are aliens hidden by the CIA, and there is no self

Like when they say that reality is love, but not the normal love that we know, but mystical love, that's totally different. Them why they know that it's love, if it's totally different? I think that for making a definition we should use logic, because a definition is made by logic. Then is someone says: one day I realized that the self was illusory! Boom! Ahhh ok, how you realized it? I just realized brother, you have to being awake to it. Awake how? Just awake brother!!! The self is illusory!!!!! You can't understand it because you are not awake. Ok ok, but here is a brain, with self perception, that also perceives reality and knows that is, and this is a self. No brother, the self is illusion, I realized and now I feel light!! Ok ok, over all be calm, don't get nervous😅

Read those dumb kids , poor guys, it's so pathetic, they didn't understand that the self is imaginary . It's funny, so ignorants Al hallaj: I am the truth. Nisgardatta: I am that Ramana maharshi: the reality is the I Jesus: I'm the path , the truth and the life Before Abraham, I am Upanishads: Brahman is the self Shivaism: I am Shiva Meister Eckhart: the eye with god see me is the eye with I see god

@Eskilon It's very difficult talking about Buddhism because there are many very different schools. Look for example this text of dozgchen Buddhism, it could be an advaita vedanta text, or any other monist religion. I am the Master, the pure and total consciousness from which everything manifests. Pure and total consciousness is the Supreme Source. It has given rise to the Buddhas of the three times; from it have arisen the beings of the three worlds and all that is animate and inanimate in the universe. Pure and total consciousness has created everything and has created nothing. It has created everything because it has created its own nature, pure and total. It has created nothing because within it there is no need to create. When my nature is not understood, and the phenomena that manifest from me become objects of judgment, desire and attachment give rise to a particular vision, impermanent and destined to vanish like a magical apparition, and one becomes like a blind person who does not know what is happening. As I transcend all affirmations and negations, I am beyond all phenomena. As there is no object that is not myself, I am beyond meditating on a view. As there is nothing to maintain apart from myself, I am beyond the commitment of observance. As there is nothing to seek other than myself, I am beyond attaining the capacity for spiritual action. As there is no place outside myself, I am beyond any level of realization to surpass. As I have never encountered obstacles, I am beyond all spontaneously arising wisdom. As I am the ultimate unborn nature, I am beyond all as the ultimate subtle true nature. I am called the Perfect Condition because everything is contained within me. I am called the Source because the teacher, the teaching, and the disciples arise from my three natures. I am the essence of all phenomena; nothing exists that is not my essence. The teachers of the three dimensions are my essence. The Buddhas of the three times are my essence. The Bodhisattvas are my essence. The four kinds of yogis are my essence. The three worlds—of desire, form, and formlessness—are my manifestation. The five great elements are my essence. The six classes of beings are my essence. Everything inanimate is my essence. Everything living is my essence. All habitats and the beings dwelling within them are my essence. Nothing exists that is not my essence because I am the universal root; there is nothing that is not contained within me. The unborn, the wonder of birth, and the manifestation of energy are the three aspects of the three teachers: this is their condition. As the three times—past, present, and future—reside exclusively within me, all Buddhas are in the same condition: this too is my essence. As I transcend the dualism of subject and object, and like space I am all-pervading, constituting the fundamental substance of all phenomena, my essence is pure and total consciousness. I, who am the Source, abide in the single state, and in this same authentic condition abide the practitioners of the four yogas. Realize my nature, the Supreme Source which is pure and total consciousness. Teach that all phenomena of existence are nothing but myself. If you transmit my teaching, all your disciples will realize my nature and become this very nature. If my nature were to reveal itself compassionately to the beings of the three worlds who have arisen from me... Thus I, the Supreme Source, reveal my nature, showing it to myself. Nothing beyond this exists. None of the Buddhas has ever received a teaching superior to this from me, the Source. Apart from this state of equality beyond concepts, I myself, the Supreme Source from which everything arises, have absolutely nothing to show to myself. Listen! Since all of you have been created by me, you beings of the three worlds are my children, equal to me, the Supreme Source. You are myself, inseparable from me. Therefore I manifest myself to you, and through the five teachers of the natures I teach the single state of the five essences. I am the single state, I, the Supreme Source: you too are this—be certain of it.

Yes because it cants talk, but monkeys can learn sings language and refers themselves as i, and can distinguish between monkeys and humans

Then the only thing that is allowed to say is repeating that the self is an illusion? How could be the conversation? For example? The self is an illusion? The self is an illusion!!! Yeahhhb the self is an illusion!!! Is an illusion? What? The self!!! Ahhh yes the self is an illusion. Because any other idea will be humiliated by condescendence. Well, now I understand that spirituality, its let's say, special Btw, rumi was a clown right? Poor idiot, he didn't know the only TRUTH. THE SELF IS AN ILLUSION. Absolutely forbidden to say anything else.

Do you remember when you were 8 years old and everything was direct, raw, wild, unmediated, uncontrolled? Well, I suppose it's more or less like that, but as a dog, for example.

@Eskilon anyway I think that Buddhism doesn't try to make an ontológical explanation of reality but creates a mental structure that collapse, then they have forbidden any positive affirmation because according to them it always would be a barrier. A real Buddhist will tell you that forget even the emptiness and nirvana. Imo it's too twisted but maybe it works in some cases

Anyway, another way to see it is that a blockage exist and insisting and trying in some point it's necessary. It's easy to say that it's nonsense when you are not there, but sometimes effort is needed. Then the point is knowing when it's a blockage in you or real incompatibility.

Imo there are two problems with the non dualistic paradigm. First that they assume that duality is an illusion, second, that reality is consciousness. Duality is a structural fact, it's the same if everything is ultimately the same, duality is happening. It's not an illusion, it's the form of reality now. And consciousness is an arising, not the reality. And arises due the fact of structural duality. It's reality perceiving itself. Perceive implies a self that appears when the reality adopts a mode that is a representation of a change of information between two separate realities. Both could be essentially the same, but now they are separate. The paradigm oneness and illusion leads to confusion, to get stuck in a frozen state where you are closed to the real power of what is. Flat, empty, limited

Rumi said: you are not a drop in the ocean, you are the ocean in a drop. Do you understand what he means? In any part there is the totality, because the totality can't be divided, because it's total. About the self, any consciousness means knowing of being. In fact that's the definition of consciousness. If you are in anesthesia you don't know that you are, even you are, then there is no self, but if you are awake there is consciousness of being and that is the self. The most empty consciousness, the meditative state , is when only the fact of I am remains. You could ask, who knows that? The fact of knowing creates the self because the self is the fact of knowing the fact of being. As consciousness is a possibility (as we can see) then the self is a fundamental property of the reality. The self is not the reality, it's the reality expressed as a self, knowing that it is

That used to happen to me when I was younger, and I'd think, "Oh, how awful, I'm not enough," blah blah. The reality is, you're just not horny, period. Why? Whatever. You don't have to have sex if you're not horny. It's not your fault, or the girl's, or anyone else's; it's just a fact. And spending half an hour giving oral sex when you're not horny... well... imagine the other way around: you're kissing a girl and she says, "I'm not horny at all." So what? Does she suck your dick for half an hour? I don't see it. Usually the problem is the there is tension, not real free connection, it doesn't mean that you are not masculine, it means that you are not a monkey who can have sex with anyone . Sex is not a competition, it's deep connection masculine feminine. It's much better being patient and find the high quality that go for the quantity to feel a winner. For me if the slightest feeling of being winner appears in sex the translation is a voice telling me: you are a pathetic mentally retarded, congratulations The feeling in sex is connection, expansion, life and power, but power doesn't mean win. Win is comparative, power comes from inside, it's the creative power of life, the nature of you. "Win" is always in relation with others, that's noise that prevents you to flow in sex. Win is perfect in competition, business, anything, but not in sex, thats obsolete.

Exactly, concepts arise about the reality of the self; they are not what create the self. I don't understand why non-duality teachers say the self is an idea when it is a fundamental structure. The self arises when there is inside/outside, an exchange of information, and awareness of being. It is impossible for consciousness to exist without the self, because the very existence of consciousness implies being aware that you are, and that is precisely what the self is.