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Maybe I'm totally wrong and the "opposite pole" you describe are actually triggered by "UFO evidence" and this evidence shatters their worldview but IMO, the fact Leo and so many others are so eager to believe in aliens after seeing UFO footage is much more "triggering" for some. For many Leo is a role model and it's a bit like discovering your role model is a flat earther. The dude you've been listening to videos for ages, the dude who got you into meditation and changed your life. Yes the same dude looks at blurry pentagon footage and is already 100% convinced those are evidence of aliens, refuses to provide further proof and calls anyone who disagree with him "dense". I think this is a factor but also the frustration of people being naive and buying into theories so fast. It's easy to judge other people for doing that when you already dislike yourself for doing the same in other areas of life. "Ah if only I wasn't so naive and didn't buy into every bullshit story my mind creates!" this can make a lot of struggle that is then projected outward to other people who buy into cheap stories online. At the end of the day nobody would cry if those UFOs were actually confirmed to be aliens. Nobody would "suffer a shattered worldview". I don't think anyone actually cares about defending that no-alien worldview it's much more about the meta-POV of "Do I believe cheap stories? Am I able to admit I don't know?".

I don't know about alien, this was more about making fun of the opposite pole of what you describe.

I know who you are trying to make fun of but this is a dishonest strawman. Nobody denies the fact UFO exists or are confirmed (there are things in the sky that fly which are not identified). Some people see UFO and conclude it's aliens some people see UFO and refuse to conclude its aliens. Seeing a phenomenon you don't understand and saying "It's aliens!" is similar to seeing electricity in the 1200s and saying "it's magic!". There are a lot of things we don't understand about the universe and so far truth has always been more intricate than a catch-all explanation like aliens (or magic). If you start believing in aliens you can simply attribute every thing we don't understand to it. Expansion of the universe? Alien technology. How did ancient egyptian make the pyramids? Aliens! Why did Trump lose the election? It was rigged by aliens!!! The main problem with this world view is not that it's "too crazy" or "too radical" but simply that it stops the mind from staying curious. That's what conspiracy theories and catch-all explanations do. No need to look further, you already have a crazy explanation which is so vague it covers everything.

@dflores321 thank you I know I am not real. What happens is that things in "my mind" materialize everywhere. I don't like it and think it makes existence futile. I'm conscious of how I'm imagining almost everything in this reality. "Synchronicities" are cute. Is this just my ego (which I'm also imagining), interpreting this as negative? I just don't know how to get past it. How will I ever have a genuine conversation with "another self" if I'm just imagining them, and am conscious of how I'm doing it, and how they're just a reflection of me?@Ry4n It can't seem to be reconciled. It doesn't feel genuine. It feels really weird. @WelcometoReality I feel like an alien, completely cut off from myself and others. Like I'm just watching shit unfold. I want to feel connected. I want to have genuine interactions with people again. I've been depressed for years and it's not helping at all. How would I practice loving kindness, and how do I get out of my own way. I tend to overanalyze situations and the metaphysics of them.

@Blackhawk Case closed, no debating. While I loosely think the spacecraft, or the materials might be alien in origin, I do think that if this was designed by a human mind that figured out and imagined how the parts could work together in such a way that it could split apart mid flight maintaining control, then that is epic as hell.

It's not fear. Do you believe that the thing in that video is a alien/has alien origin?

@Arcangelo @DieFree @hoodrow trillson Seriously guys, please, that's most likely not a alien thing. That doesn't prove anything at all. I could bet all my money on that it isn't anything alien. Jesus Christ.. Embarrasing. Watch videos from Mick West: https://youtube.com/c/MickWest

Dude, the US government has been studying and collecting data on UFOs for decades. They just don't share that data with silly people like you. It would not surprise me at all if the US gov had alien spacecraft and corpses in their possession. They are not going to tell you about it.

@dflores321 "The club of no one" hahaha @Leo Gura Being God/nothingness for a while has made me appreciate being human with all its suffering so much more. I'm not sure going all the way is right anymore if it means never coming back to this relative game, isn't that what death is for anyway? I guess everyone's path is different. @TheAvatarState Loving kindness is so important on this path, God is alone in its infinite love, and as humans we are united in that aloneness. There's a narcissistic aloneness that makes you feel alien and separated, and there's a selfless aloneness that is intimately connected with all. When you look at another human being you're looking at a literal manifestation of God, which is much more profound then just a fleshy robotic meat suit I think.

From what I've gathered it's usually a sign of insecurity/hesitation, and fear of being vulnerable. There is something about eye contact that is very primal. It's important to integrate and be able to use eye contact, especially when you are trying to convey something. Whether it be emotional, persuasive, love, connection, friendship, etc. Our eyes say so much that words do not. I struggled with eye contact growing up all the way until I was about 24. I'll tell you from first hand experience learning to make good, appropriate eye contact was one of the biggest things in personal development I EVER did. It was so simple and practical, opened so many doors for me, in my relationships, work opportunities, and my sexual life. You've got to push through those uncomfortable moments you'll face when practicing, then find your style of communication with your eyes. It will literally feel alien to you for a bit, and then it will be natural. Your eyes will be "free flowing" and at ease. Instead of twitchy, neurotic, and uncomfortable.

If you want to believe there are aliens, you sort of have to believe astronomers are conspiring against the mainstream and trying to hide it from the public. The pentagon is not the only organisation looking at the sky. Evidence which is actually relevant to alien life gets published in academic papers. Just jumping to rogue conclusions from a blurry video is ridiculous. It doesn't mean there's no aliens but it doesn't mean there are either. Astronomers are probably the most passionate people about alien life. This idea that they would deny the truth out of close mindedness is ridiculous. Concluding there are aliens is silly yet concluding the are no aliens is not correct either. We simply don't have enough evidence to conclude anything at this point. Why so eager to claim those types of things as a forum member? If you really care that much get into astronomy, observe the sky and then you'll claim what you want from your observations.

No I'm not one of those. No I don't think we have figured out much. It's just that there's no good reason to believe that aliens are visiting us. There's literally not a single good picture or video of a alien or a alien space/aircraft. Only blurry footage. They could be anything. And the radar stuff could be anything: glitch in the equipment, ice crystals, etc. And the words from eyewitnesses could also be anything: lies, illusions, hallucinations, etc.

How long do you alien believers think it will take until their existence gets confirmed? I can set more reminders on my calendar, several years ahead into the future, so I can be right when that specific date comes.

when I think about it, they were both pretty naiv and alien, only that his sister was an extrovert - revealing, and, he was an introvert - concealing i can remember now, the both had strange buddies (some far relevants?) around them, not naiv This night in a dream I heard a male voice counting place names, one of them I can remember - Volnovaha

@Anahata Defining God and divinity using human language or thoughts is always a form of mental masturbation. As for the experience. Your experience versus my experience. Who is to judge whose is more true? It is how it is. Accept it and that's it. So far you are in human form on this planet and you really know as much as I do. Which is nothing. There is a very long way to go. The way of evolution. There are no shortcuts. The problem with people is that they are mainly interested in the effect, not the process. Consider yourself who you want there, God, Alien, Banana - it doesn't matter. Reality will give everyone a lesson in humility at the right time.

@Scholar Okay then, I'll bite. From an epistemological standpoint, explain to me why reserving judgement pending further study informed by a scientific cultural standard is a mistake in this instance? Let's restrict this to the vast majority of people who don't claim to have Direct Experience with these phenomena: 1 ) Whether or not aliens are visiting us is an Empirical (rather than a Subjective or Metaphysical) claim. To the best of my knowledge the claim isn't that these are ethereal experiences akin to DMT entities, but are something that exists and is experienced as a part of 'physical reality' (however you interpret that). 2 ) Even if it's not the 'Last Word' on what is ontologically true, from a pragmatic viewpoint science is extremely useful when set to examining the merits of Empirical claims. 3) Science has helped bolster the claims of diverse fields of study such as History and Anthropology, and in a sense isn't totally separate from them. Likewise, applying Scientific scrutiny to video footage and eyewitness accounts can be clarifying, as it can help account for false positives. Seems like using out knowledge of things like Optics and Psychology should be useful in that regard, no? 4) Unlike say Climate Change, there isn't an obvious downside or Opportunity Cost to withholding judgement on these matters for the time being. 5) Pointing out that an object has unconventional properties that can't be accounted for with conventional explanations doesn't definitively prove that said object is what you claim it is; namely that it's alien in origin; it very well could be, but you're not going to be able to make a definitive statement about that using only Negatives (ie it's not definitely this or that type of thing, so therefore...). Which is sufficient for making more Limited and Modest claims, but seems premature to come to definitive judgements based on that. 6) Agnosticism as to the definitive explanation for seemingly strange phenomena that's yet to be fully explored is I would argue the position of Intellectual Humility. I'd posit that at least some of these objects being extraterrestrial in origin is a not unreasonable Interpretation; going beyond that and claiming anything definitive without some sort of verification process seems grossly premature. If this were an incoming message from SETI or the possible discovery of microbes on one of the moons of Jupiter, there are lengthy verification protocols in place to make pretty damn sure that it was the real deal before saying anything definitive about it.

Did I at any point compare verification of these sorts of claims to the world of physics, or insinuate that Laboratory experimentation is the only way to 'prove' something? It seems obvious that you're projecting an expectation of someone with a Materialist Reductionism worldview, when that's not the case, nor is it what I'm arguing. No one can 'prove' that alien craft aren't visiting us, any more than someone can 'prove' that an undiscovered species of Shark doesn't exist in the Pacific ocean. In either case there's a Verification process that would need to happen before said Discovery is endorsed by the wider community. If you're right, then no doubt that will likely happen at some point.

So strange.. Don't know how to describe it. Just can't recognise myself. Bodily sensations feel odd, almost alien. Thought patterns like soup. Any movement the body makes feel strange. Everything feels strange. Fog.

Going on Holiday Why do we go on holiday? In fact, before I answer that, why do I feel the need to deconstruct in the first place? Good question. From a young age I've always loved taking things apart, mostly out of curiosity, occasionally I would put the together again. There's a small thrill in nowing how a thing is constructed and what makes it tick. More lately, I've moved on to deconstructing more abstract and intangible things, I still get my thrill dose from it. It allows me to more clearly see things for what they are, and actually enjoy it more because of it (because it becomes a choice not an imperative to do it). Anyway. The first thing that comes to mind, is that a holiday is about being somewhere completely different. This is most usually in a physically different place, although it could be in a more astract way. What's the point? I think it's really about removing the normal day to day triggers. Like Pavlovian dogs we constantly get triggered by the same things in our everyday environments. In my case I think about having a larger living space and a garden, I'm tempted by my laptop just sitting there enticing me. I'm constantly reminded of work by my work computer and monitors languishing in my makeshift office, taunting me as I pass them ten thousand times a day. I walk the same routes over again every day. I buy the same coffee from the same shop most days. You get the picture. All this triggering stops me/you from exploring other ways of thinking and being; it's a form of prison which is hard to escape from, you have to be determined and random to escape it. In fact I even built a phone app that would randomly buzz once for LEFT and twice for RIGHT, so I could use it on walks and see where I ended up! On top of being stuck in a prison of triggers, a lot of those triggers can be quite negative. Completely removing yourself from all that, allows you to temporarily escape that prison. Temporary is an interesting word. That word haunts all types of holiday. You always know that a holiday is not a solution to your problems, because you are not really escaping your problems, but simply temporarily putting them on hold. The hope is that you feel rested from a holiday. I've never found this to be the case. Not that a holiday isn't relaxing, it generally is (because you are away from the negativity of being triggered constantly), but it's never restful, because holidays are never long enough. My rule of thumb for even starting to feel "restful" is two weeks and ideally a month. Wage slavery generally baulks at having a month without productivity. Holiday pricing is set up in such a way that having a month or more off is prohibitive (especially for families with kids). I always have to restrain myself when my employer asks me if I feel "well rested and ready to go", my instinctual reaction would be to tell them to "go fuck yourself", but instead I just smile and say "yes". Going on holiday is also mostly a social event. People do go on holiday by themselves, but it's rare. Really we go to socialise. Whilst we can and do socialise on an everyday basis, it's mostly with work colleagues: people you haven't chosen to be your friends - although sometimes the odd one or two does become a friend. But in our topsy-turvy world we socialise less with the people we actually want to socialise with, their jobs and families suck all the leisure and pleasure out of them. With wage slavery we seem to think that socialising is a frivolous and indulgent activity. On a holiday we're actually allowed to socialise with the people we choose to and like, in a natural way. We are social creatures first and foremost (don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise), but we're treated like individuated commodities in the Western model and a holiday is the relief valve for this pressure. The travel to a destination can also be part of the pleasure too (although it can be hell). If it's a long distance by plane or train or even by car, we get to enjoy the sensation of going through and over alien landscapes, and get a real sense of the massiveness of the world. It can be humbling to realise that you are flying over continents, with all that weather and landscape and life going on beneath you. Or to hurtle through a landscape in a train where every few minutes there's something new to see, and sharing your experience with others. Or not rushing in your car, stopping sometimes to realise that people speak slightly differently and have different customs. Sometimes a holiday is all journey with no single destination as such, we just keep moving and experiencing novelty. We crave novelty as humans, and a holiday provides that in spades. What about doing nothing on holiday? It's a quaint expression. I'm genuinely happy to do not very much at all on a holiday: up, breakfast, walk, beach, read, afternoon nap, shower, dinner, night life, rinse and repeat. Other people are desperate to get as much activity in as possible: sighteseeing, organised activities, gym and so on. It's a mentality I will never understand, surely a holiday is also about getting away from all that planning and needing to be kept busy? Is the spectre of boredom really that scary? And other than the temporary nature of a holiday, this is the neurosis that sticks in the mind: this holiday comes at a cost and I better bloody well enjoy it and get the most out of it. Nothing would be worse than being bored on holiday, it's simply an unacceptible waste of resources (money/time); doing nothing in particular is boring for some. Finally, we go on holiday to experience different weather. Maybe it's obvious, maybe not. If your home country is one where it's cold and grey most of the year (e.g. UK), then going somewhere with bright days and a warm breeze is like being in heaven. I guess the opposite if you live say in Egypt, and you go somewhere to get cool and wet weather as relief (?). This in itself can lift the spirits, in more clement weathers there is more of an outdoor cafe and restaurant and beach culture, and those are the times when you really feel like you're on holiday: you're not stuck in your house or office all day. The simple act of being outdoors can be a relief. Being outdoors also allows you take in the local scenery and history and architecture. So how do we get the most out of a holiday? Here's @LastThursday's top tips: Go for at least two weeks if not a month Plan a few activities in advance but not too many Go somewhere with outdoor culture or with interesting things to go see Allow yourself to "do nothing" in particular most days Go with people you actually like Enjoy the journey to and from your destination Switch off everything related to normal life (don't work on holiday FFS) Ciao.

Could also be a hologram projected by a spotlight or something. I also saw an UFO in a park in Munich up in the sky above the height of airplanes. It turned out there was a concert nearby. It could be anything else but just assuming these are real alien spaceship as the most probable occurrence sounds weird lol Wishful thinking comes into mind.

@EternalDream 1. In my direct experience, she does feel solid. In the external world? No, I haven't experienced her as a solid thing like a person is, nor have seen her move physical objects as of yet. In the internal/subjective world? For several years of being with her, her form is definitely more solid than a memory or imagination of another person in a visualization setting, and she does interact with mental objects. 2. Concerning gathering information from the outside, and giving it to me, about people and other locations, I have yet to see how she receive and take in information that is close to roughly 100%. As a percentage, I would estimate her success being between 50-75 percent on people and objects in general, and the percentage increases according to the relationship between her and the target/location in question. As I've posted before, while I don't know her real nature, as a tulpa from me, a figment of my imagination, or a spirit, or other worldly being that has non-physical properties, I have learnt enough so far to tell that she has preferences in the world, like loving the color green, and liking cute stuff. When it comes to people/locations/objects that have aspects that align with her biases so far, she can provide information that is around 75% likely. As to her ability, I don't know if it's solely hers, or if my intuition is playing a part. Also, as an intangible close friend with some personality traits, she likes to prank me, as I've told in the past, so this does factor in the inaccuracies of predicting an event, or gathering accurate information. 3. Concerning her potential as a medium like entity, that travels out there and gathers information about people, or other worldly entities, I don't have enough information to verify this for myself, but I'm currently observing and testing if she does have potential to develop spirit capabilities like astral projection/ astral travelling, and if she does, to then know and see if this could get developed as well. Also, as I've said before, she communicates to plants, which I don't know if this makes her more likely to be a spirit than an alien or a figment of my imagination, nor if this shows latent potential for developing psychic ability, but it's a good find. She additionally can help pick out healthy plants for the house. 4. Yes, it's super cool to have her as a close friend. Whenever find myself depressed, or negative, interacting with her while I nap or meditate does help bring me more back into being positive.

Well what you're contending with in even the more credible accounts of encounters with these types of phenomena isn't any sort of positive identification of any of these objects, but rather a process of elimination where the object seems as though it's not explainable through more conventional explanations. Now the possibility is certainly open that some of these objects might actually be from another world; but without some method of verification you're not really doing anything more than guessing at this point; there may be possibilities that aren't at all obvious which you're not accounting for. Note that I'm not claiming that the Scientific Method of attempting to empirically Validate claims is the only way of acquiring knowledge (or even always the best way), but I have my doubts that eyewitness accounts from other people of things that lie far outside of most people's lived experience are altogether reliable or trustworthy. Nor is the recorded footage that exists which shows objects recorded from a great distance behaving in strange or unexpected ways necessarily indicative of something from another world, though of course it could be that. If an Alien lands on my lawn tomorrow, or if additional types of evidence further add to the mosiac in a convincing way, I'm of course open to revising my opinions on this matter.

Well fortunately for me I'm comfortable with saying "I don't know" for any of the number of strange incidents that defy easy identification. Sure it could be that a US Navy pilot spotted an actual UFO, or a case of instrumentation error and a alien vessel being the most plausible interpretation given the inputs he had to work with at the time. I don't believe that the people involved in the incident are being dishonest, but even highly experienced professionals can make mistakes, or reach conclusions based on faulty info. Or it could be that the account is %100 genuine. I don't know, and neither do you. Agnosticism seems a perfectly valid response to situations like this. I'm not claiming to possess knowledge that I don't have, but I don't think it's unreasonable to reserve judgement until more conclusive and verifiable evidence is available from reputable sources.

I'm assuming you'd agree that how people interpret the world around them is filtered through whatever cultural paradigm they've been indoctrinated in to, right? Are the vast number of these sightings unambiguous enough where it's crystal clear that the thing that's being looked at is a 'fucking alien', or is it the case that the vast majority of these sightings are of a small blob or series of lights far off in the distance being Interpreted as a UFO because that's become the 'default explanation' for anything strange looking that defies easy categorization? Note : If aliens ever fly thier ship over my fucking head, I'll revise my tune on this ?

Nothing new. This has been science since day 0. Visionary scientists are 1 in a 100,000 and they are usually not appreciated until after they're long dead. Don't get all cute. UFO means alien spaceship. We are not talking about anything else here.