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to live or to not live, is probably the only real choice life gives us. i consider it as no one’s right to moralize about suicide, because life and death is the only nothing we own inherently. even though the external world tries to get an ownership right to it. but having only these two real options you may realize nothing else really matters than making a decision, and you could at least try to live life fully, before you decide to bet on the no return option what is not a real option because you will go there anyways some day with only the choice of making it happen faster.

There are many heart-centered reasons why you shouldn't do it, as well as many relative reasons not to do it. But from the absolute, there is no such thing as right or wrong. So, reality does not abhor suicide. It's all part of the one thing that is all things. But from the perspective of considering health, harmony, and functionality; committing suicide is inherently unhealthy, unharmonious, and dysfunctional. So, it is not good for you or your loved ones. But on the absolute, there is nothing invalid or wrong under the sun. God loves all and abhors none.

@Truth Addict I mean I'm not gonna lie what I think. Suicide not being wrong doesn't justify it either. @SgtPepper No such thing as unnatural.

@Shadowraix The problem with suicide is that it's done by the devil, the ego, the illusion that thinks it has free will. When one becomes fully surrendered, and aligned with God, then there is no question whether it is okay or not. It will only be pure God's will. We can't tell people to go suicide and kill others, there are plenty of unconscious minds that will use this non-dual wisdom and turn it into devilry. We certainly don't want that to happen.

Are you willing to end your life? Willing to give up everything? Willing to give up everything you like, love and cherish most in your life? True enlightenment is suicide. It takes balls to do that. If you think you can answer yes to these, then by all means, go for it! Me, I'm building a fully self-contained mobile home. With 1000W solar panels, 5000W inverter and a separate alternator. All so I can live up in the mountains, far away from all distractions, for weeks or months at a time, so I can fully dedicate to full nonduel enlightenment. Yes one can do it anywhere at any time, but for me, I need to space and quiet.

The opposite of these are also true. You don't. Its being eternally experienced. And its all part of the 'plan' really. In that regard one could also see suicide as a beautiful gift. There's nothing good logically for or against suicide when you take the absolute into account. You can really only make a decision based on relative standards and desires. I only live because I desire to live. You don't really have to go further than that.

(Im not turq) From the absolute, no. The absolute eternally experiences suicide. This would be a better question asked from a pragmatic standpoint. From an absolute you could do anything and it be chill. I think he meant he's trying to ask somebody with such a POV not that his POV is that.

This is a serious question. Is there any serious argument about why you shouldn't suicide?

Yes, infinite, no end. Deep, bottomless. Personality is a construct made of groundless repetition which can be deconstructed, like all other “things” in the light of Awareness. It makes people uncomfortable to express you don’t actually have a personality. Categorically, it’s in there with karma, suicide, God, etc. In the sense, if someone is asking about them, there’s an expression / answer given on their behalf which is not the Truth known by the one answering. Sadhguru is illusory. Confident he’d willfully say the same. To attempt to put his, or anyone’s being into perspective, you need to first see that of course, you are the only one who can be enlightened. “Oneness”, is quite literal.

The source of suicide is accepting the powerlessness that is happening to you. So go Anger and Rage to really feel what is real or not. Let aside for a while pink unicorns and rainbows. There are times in life when the pain is only resolved in an offensive way.

@Truth Addict well that's not the case, becasue most of the known civilization and people in one way or onther pointing towards some god form, including this "movement" (actualized.org), which makes me even more sceptical and suspicious, and the funny feature of the mind is whenever you put something into it and believe it, it became your god very, very quick without even realizing - (it might be science, self-help, spirituality - anything) until one day realzie how wrong you were and there is other side of the coin as well from my expeirence beliving (whatever it might be) helps survival instinct - get pass another day, on the other hand lack of faith and hopeless leads to self-destruction (suicide) so overall it might only gen's trick to keep us alive

Yes, however I was surprised to Rick Doblin to come out in support of self-medication with MDMA for PTSD. As he first started talking about it, I was pretty shocked and was thinking .. "oh no don't go there, this is dangerous turf". But as he explained his rationale, I can totally see why he is cautiously giving self-medication a thumbs up. To cut a long story short, MAPS recognizes that there are vast numbers of people who suffer from PTSD (in the USA alone) and that they have a huge challenge in scaling up to train therapists to address this massive issue - it will literally be impossible to scale up fast enough to save a lot of lives that will be lost to suicide. He told a touching story about an individual who was suffering from PTSD and tried to get into one of their trials, but they had to deny this individual for some logistical reason. Two weeks later he killed himself and left a suicide note addressed to Rick explaining that MDMA would have probably saved his life. It wasn't meant to condemn MAPS or Rick at all for not letting him in to the trial, but as a beacon to draw attention to the problem with this bottle neck. The fact of the matter is that people do successfully self-medicate. MAPS has their protocol and approaches for therapy well documented and freely available online, so it's an option for people who are genuinely suffering and for whom this is their best option. I could dig up a link to the talk if anyone is interested. Yes and a lot of scientists are closeted trippers too. Let's see how it unfolds.

Hello Everyone A week before my period begins, I grow extremely depressed, anxious, and have sleeping issues. It affects my relationships, eating habits, self esteem, sleep schedule, and school work. Sometimes it gets so bad that I have unwanted thoughts of suicide/homicide. This is not who I am at all and only happens prior and during my period. It scares me and it puts my success and self actualization on a temporary hold. The reason why I bring this up is because other women cannot seem to relate to this. They claim to only get cramps, cravings, and are easy to anger. It is so much more different for me. My mother had the same thing, so it has to be genetic. I have heard that I could possibly have PMDD, but that is very rare! Also, my parents don't beleive in therapy, psychology, birth control, or medication for mental health, so I'm kinda lost as to what to do in this situation. What do I do in the meantime?

@Sri McDonald Trump MaharajWishing you well my man. Definitely go to the hospital. Start therapy - express what happened, and how you felt - that is the way to let it go. Call the suicide prevention hotline today, don’t wait until you’re in a stressful state. Lean on their expertise now, be free - allow new perspectives to arise when talking with them...( Get help now in any country ) You can express here too, anonymously, and feel free to PM me any time. I would also skype / FaceTime with you anytime you want. Ive been there, I ‘made it out’, so I wanna help. I was dealt a raw deal too - I stuck it out. In hindsight, it was a gift. My advice is stick around for the hindsight, for the ‘turning it into wine’. I promise you will see if you don’t give up. ♥️♥️♥️♥️

You're right, I see that all the time! I don't know if this was ever a thing in previous generations, but my guess would be at least not to this extent. Technology has a lot to do with it. I think we're starting to appreciate how connected we are as a globe. Not just physically (planes, high speed trains, and other fast travel) but instant communication through phones. All readily available to most people. Go back 100 years (that's it!) and if you wanted to travel to China, you'd have to go by boat for weeks. Just think how radically different the world was a century ago, it's almost unfathomable. That being said, however, our mental and physical ailments have gotten worse. Depression and suicide are at an all time high, and show no signs of slowing down. As a species, we are as confused as ever on how to live life and what's important. We are as confused as ever on how to love. So this air of "best time ever!" is certainly not based on a feeling of wellbeing. I think it has almost everything to do with convenience from technological advancement. And this can be a really scary thing, because it could be accelerating our own demise. It turns a blind eye to what we should be fixing. However, this attitude is positive, so I can't say it's overall a bad thing. I do see dangers in a public adoption of this attitude though.

Our emotions are quicker than our deliberate thinking and that can be dangerous in being impulsive. I've been close to suicide in the past and the idea of possibly being worse off in the lower Astral realms was a factor in my not going through with it. I'm glad I didn't. I don't know any of your story or your trials but life is precious. Hope you can unwind some of your dilemma and experience something that gives you some hope or peace.

I was supposed to cut contact with my family a long time ago but I've had a lot of injuries and chronic pain and it has put me back a lot during the last 1,5 years. Couldn't walk as much as I used to, hard time to sit down and work etc due to nerve pain in the legs, misplaced hips, nerve pain in the arms so I couldn't finish school, move out and I just shut down emotionally instead. My health is better now. I've been having suicidal thoughts everyday for a few months now and I'm quite scared that I will commit suicide if I don't get my life back on track again. I'm just so tired, it's not worth living like this. I talked to the police two weeks ago and the officer told me that it's not to late to report my parents for child abuse so I plan on giving it a try. I talked to the social services about my situation and they didn't want to help me but I want to give it a second try now that I'm reporting my parents to the police. I'm thinking about going to the hospital to tell them that I'm suicidal if this doesn't work out. Help!

@Skanzi wow, I've never thought of it this way.... suicide as a form of survival would that mean suicidal desires = ego's way to call for help/ attention?

I support this! Chronic (so when your body has become used to it) coffee drinking correlates with lower rates of depression and much lower rates of suicide, and a host of other health benefits. It's worth questioning the conventional narrative around places like this that coffee is a naughty habit. When you do start drinking it, pay attention to how it works for you, if you like it or not. You can avoid the problems with breath and teeth yellowing by brushing your teeth in the morning after you have your cup. It's a good habit to brush your teeth in the morning anyways.

@Tony 845 there were 2 non dual teachers that committed suicide. People on here just don’t understand the difference between non duality and liberation. david spero, adyashanti, Anthony de Mello, jan esmann, and many of these people will tell you most you guys are just falling for the “enlightenment pitch”. Liberation does exist but it comes way after non duality or what enlightenment is described as here.

@Serotoninluv Hey look alot of people on this forum are real quick to take a substance in hopes of reaching something, just asking questions over here guys..there’s not a whole lot of proof in the pudding, that’s all I’m saying. but then again anyone can say they are enlightened, so there’s goes that idea as well. Ever hear of the guy that claims he was enlightened in the woods by watching a frog for like 2 hours then committed suicide like 5 years later?‍♂️

My real spiritual quest began when I was 18, I just enlisted into the Israeli Army, and was training to become a warrior. A couple of months in I started to experience terrible panic attacks, anxiety, and depression, I was eventually released after a suicide attempt, while being diagnosed as a dependant personality. I had very little hope of ever being happy. I didn’t realize at the time that the episodes were in fact the beginning of a spiritual awakening. At 20, I was on many different meds, trying to solve this externally. I haven't had a clue then, that what I experienced was actually a yearn for God. I didn’t even consider the possibility that spirituality was a viable solution and that it was actually the true cure. It was years before I found out. 5 years of meds didn’t work, so I tried medicating myself with drugs, alcohol and a long 3 and a half years of toxic and codependent relationship. I accepted my fate and had lived for years in a stable moderate depressive state. To my incredible luck, 6 years ago I accidentally saw Leo’s video about curing depression. I remember that moment vividly when he said that when a person is in a deep meditative state he experiences bliss, therefore Bliss is the deeply buried basic emotion in each of us. This was a shocking discovery for me. In my total desperation and surrender, I was excited to try something new and different as a solution to my problem. Very soon the effects of meditation started to come and I was truly hopeful for the first time in 6 years of absolute misery. I've committed to this journey completely, watched every video Leo’s got, and practiced all the incredible principles and practices as well as I could. Following Leo’s radical open mindedness principle, I also found a 12 steps fellowship that deals specifically with Codependency, and it too was incredibly beneficial to my recovery. 12 steps is very simple and useful tool for shadow work and spiritual awakening. Nowadays, I’m coaching a new friend in recovery and it seems like there’s progress. Today I experience happiness 90% of the time, and I’ve almost forgotten how depression and anxiety actually feel. I’m deeply passionate about personal development, and have a steady spiritual growth. I’m running a few blogs for different audiences. I enjoy every moment and see the magic of existence. It’s amazing when you start seeing your own happiness expanding outwards to the people around you. Thank you for reading, I hope to see more recovery stories from you too.

Open-mindedness, intuition, vulnerability, willigness, faith, vision etc Most people don't value or train those abilities, thinking enlightenment will be attained by "x" number of hours on the cushion. The real work is to unfuck yourself of your thoughts and emotions patterns (which is a 24/7 practice), not to be at peace 20 minutes a day sitted on your bed. Also, most people don't suffered enough, and therefore don't see any interest to feel better, since they think they are happy. Or they aren't interested in metaphysical questions, which is totally understandable since we're at stage orange worldwide. Eckhart Tolle is a bad example, the reason he got enlightened in 1 night is because he was suffering so much, that he couldn't stand living with "himself" anymore. Very few people would have an enlightenment experience instead of committing suicide with such an experience.

He is a funny guy. He was alcoholic most of his life and homeless 9 times. Contemplated a suicide +10 times. Kind of gives hope to regular people

@Leo Gura Obviously, she is questionable. As many people are. But the fact that every single allegation is answered directly by her, in this video. Means that you should at least watch and listen to the person your are gossiping and speculating about. Before offering any leaping judgements. I don't often comment on here, unless it's something I care or feel strongly about. And this woman is such an authentic person. She lays her cards on the table. All of them. Unlike some spiritual teachers that claim to be some kind of perfect, enlightenment master, who everyone should bow down to. And hide their real self, in fear of damaging their 'rep' She is also very, very brave and confronts some incredible tricky topics such as suicide, pedophilia and cancer. In a balanced, practical and honest way. Her material is rich with wisdom and multi - perspectives, which is beyond many people unfortunately. But there we go. That is why I suggest finding out for yourself instead of gossiping about an article. You are ALL missing a gem of a human being here. Be careful of those blind spots.