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@Anahata Defining God and divinity using human language or thoughts is always a form of mental masturbation. As for the experience. Your experience versus my experience. Who is to judge whose is more true? It is how it is. Accept it and that's it. So far you are in human form on this planet and you really know as much as I do. Which is nothing. There is a very long way to go. The way of evolution. There are no shortcuts. The problem with people is that they are mainly interested in the effect, not the process. Consider yourself who you want there, God, Alien, Banana - it doesn't matter. Reality will give everyone a lesson in humility at the right time.

@Scholar Okay then, I'll bite. From an epistemological standpoint, explain to me why reserving judgement pending further study informed by a scientific cultural standard is a mistake in this instance? Let's restrict this to the vast majority of people who don't claim to have Direct Experience with these phenomena: 1 ) Whether or not aliens are visiting us is an Empirical (rather than a Subjective or Metaphysical) claim. To the best of my knowledge the claim isn't that these are ethereal experiences akin to DMT entities, but are something that exists and is experienced as a part of 'physical reality' (however you interpret that). 2 ) Even if it's not the 'Last Word' on what is ontologically true, from a pragmatic viewpoint science is extremely useful when set to examining the merits of Empirical claims. 3) Science has helped bolster the claims of diverse fields of study such as History and Anthropology, and in a sense isn't totally separate from them. Likewise, applying Scientific scrutiny to video footage and eyewitness accounts can be clarifying, as it can help account for false positives. Seems like using out knowledge of things like Optics and Psychology should be useful in that regard, no? 4) Unlike say Climate Change, there isn't an obvious downside or Opportunity Cost to withholding judgement on these matters for the time being. 5) Pointing out that an object has unconventional properties that can't be accounted for with conventional explanations doesn't definitively prove that said object is what you claim it is; namely that it's alien in origin; it very well could be, but you're not going to be able to make a definitive statement about that using only Negatives (ie it's not definitely this or that type of thing, so therefore...). Which is sufficient for making more Limited and Modest claims, but seems premature to come to definitive judgements based on that. 6) Agnosticism as to the definitive explanation for seemingly strange phenomena that's yet to be fully explored is I would argue the position of Intellectual Humility. I'd posit that at least some of these objects being extraterrestrial in origin is a not unreasonable Interpretation; going beyond that and claiming anything definitive without some sort of verification process seems grossly premature. If this were an incoming message from SETI or the possible discovery of microbes on one of the moons of Jupiter, there are lengthy verification protocols in place to make pretty damn sure that it was the real deal before saying anything definitive about it.

Did I at any point compare verification of these sorts of claims to the world of physics, or insinuate that Laboratory experimentation is the only way to 'prove' something? It seems obvious that you're projecting an expectation of someone with a Materialist Reductionism worldview, when that's not the case, nor is it what I'm arguing. No one can 'prove' that alien craft aren't visiting us, any more than someone can 'prove' that an undiscovered species of Shark doesn't exist in the Pacific ocean. In either case there's a Verification process that would need to happen before said Discovery is endorsed by the wider community. If you're right, then no doubt that will likely happen at some point.

So strange.. Don't know how to describe it. Just can't recognise myself. Bodily sensations feel odd, almost alien. Thought patterns like soup. Any movement the body makes feel strange. Everything feels strange. Fog.

Going on Holiday Why do we go on holiday? In fact, before I answer that, why do I feel the need to deconstruct in the first place? Good question. From a young age I've always loved taking things apart, mostly out of curiosity, occasionally I would put the together again. There's a small thrill in nowing how a thing is constructed and what makes it tick. More lately, I've moved on to deconstructing more abstract and intangible things, I still get my thrill dose from it. It allows me to more clearly see things for what they are, and actually enjoy it more because of it (because it becomes a choice not an imperative to do it). Anyway. The first thing that comes to mind, is that a holiday is about being somewhere completely different. This is most usually in a physically different place, although it could be in a more astract way. What's the point? I think it's really about removing the normal day to day triggers. Like Pavlovian dogs we constantly get triggered by the same things in our everyday environments. In my case I think about having a larger living space and a garden, I'm tempted by my laptop just sitting there enticing me. I'm constantly reminded of work by my work computer and monitors languishing in my makeshift office, taunting me as I pass them ten thousand times a day. I walk the same routes over again every day. I buy the same coffee from the same shop most days. You get the picture. All this triggering stops me/you from exploring other ways of thinking and being; it's a form of prison which is hard to escape from, you have to be determined and random to escape it. In fact I even built a phone app that would randomly buzz once for LEFT and twice for RIGHT, so I could use it on walks and see where I ended up! On top of being stuck in a prison of triggers, a lot of those triggers can be quite negative. Completely removing yourself from all that, allows you to temporarily escape that prison. Temporary is an interesting word. That word haunts all types of holiday. You always know that a holiday is not a solution to your problems, because you are not really escaping your problems, but simply temporarily putting them on hold. The hope is that you feel rested from a holiday. I've never found this to be the case. Not that a holiday isn't relaxing, it generally is (because you are away from the negativity of being triggered constantly), but it's never restful, because holidays are never long enough. My rule of thumb for even starting to feel "restful" is two weeks and ideally a month. Wage slavery generally baulks at having a month without productivity. Holiday pricing is set up in such a way that having a month or more off is prohibitive (especially for families with kids). I always have to restrain myself when my employer asks me if I feel "well rested and ready to go", my instinctual reaction would be to tell them to "go fuck yourself", but instead I just smile and say "yes". Going on holiday is also mostly a social event. People do go on holiday by themselves, but it's rare. Really we go to socialise. Whilst we can and do socialise on an everyday basis, it's mostly with work colleagues: people you haven't chosen to be your friends - although sometimes the odd one or two does become a friend. But in our topsy-turvy world we socialise less with the people we actually want to socialise with, their jobs and families suck all the leisure and pleasure out of them. With wage slavery we seem to think that socialising is a frivolous and indulgent activity. On a holiday we're actually allowed to socialise with the people we choose to and like, in a natural way. We are social creatures first and foremost (don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise), but we're treated like individuated commodities in the Western model and a holiday is the relief valve for this pressure. The travel to a destination can also be part of the pleasure too (although it can be hell). If it's a long distance by plane or train or even by car, we get to enjoy the sensation of going through and over alien landscapes, and get a real sense of the massiveness of the world. It can be humbling to realise that you are flying over continents, with all that weather and landscape and life going on beneath you. Or to hurtle through a landscape in a train where every few minutes there's something new to see, and sharing your experience with others. Or not rushing in your car, stopping sometimes to realise that people speak slightly differently and have different customs. Sometimes a holiday is all journey with no single destination as such, we just keep moving and experiencing novelty. We crave novelty as humans, and a holiday provides that in spades. What about doing nothing on holiday? It's a quaint expression. I'm genuinely happy to do not very much at all on a holiday: up, breakfast, walk, beach, read, afternoon nap, shower, dinner, night life, rinse and repeat. Other people are desperate to get as much activity in as possible: sighteseeing, organised activities, gym and so on. It's a mentality I will never understand, surely a holiday is also about getting away from all that planning and needing to be kept busy? Is the spectre of boredom really that scary? And other than the temporary nature of a holiday, this is the neurosis that sticks in the mind: this holiday comes at a cost and I better bloody well enjoy it and get the most out of it. Nothing would be worse than being bored on holiday, it's simply an unacceptible waste of resources (money/time); doing nothing in particular is boring for some. Finally, we go on holiday to experience different weather. Maybe it's obvious, maybe not. If your home country is one where it's cold and grey most of the year (e.g. UK), then going somewhere with bright days and a warm breeze is like being in heaven. I guess the opposite if you live say in Egypt, and you go somewhere to get cool and wet weather as relief (?). This in itself can lift the spirits, in more clement weathers there is more of an outdoor cafe and restaurant and beach culture, and those are the times when you really feel like you're on holiday: you're not stuck in your house or office all day. The simple act of being outdoors can be a relief. Being outdoors also allows you take in the local scenery and history and architecture. So how do we get the most out of a holiday? Here's @LastThursday's top tips: Go for at least two weeks if not a month Plan a few activities in advance but not too many Go somewhere with outdoor culture or with interesting things to go see Allow yourself to "do nothing" in particular most days Go with people you actually like Enjoy the journey to and from your destination Switch off everything related to normal life (don't work on holiday FFS) Ciao.

Could also be a hologram projected by a spotlight or something. I also saw an UFO in a park in Munich up in the sky above the height of airplanes. It turned out there was a concert nearby. It could be anything else but just assuming these are real alien spaceship as the most probable occurrence sounds weird lol Wishful thinking comes into mind.

@EternalDream 1. In my direct experience, she does feel solid. In the external world? No, I haven't experienced her as a solid thing like a person is, nor have seen her move physical objects as of yet. In the internal/subjective world? For several years of being with her, her form is definitely more solid than a memory or imagination of another person in a visualization setting, and she does interact with mental objects. 2. Concerning gathering information from the outside, and giving it to me, about people and other locations, I have yet to see how she receive and take in information that is close to roughly 100%. As a percentage, I would estimate her success being between 50-75 percent on people and objects in general, and the percentage increases according to the relationship between her and the target/location in question. As I've posted before, while I don't know her real nature, as a tulpa from me, a figment of my imagination, or a spirit, or other worldly being that has non-physical properties, I have learnt enough so far to tell that she has preferences in the world, like loving the color green, and liking cute stuff. When it comes to people/locations/objects that have aspects that align with her biases so far, she can provide information that is around 75% likely. As to her ability, I don't know if it's solely hers, or if my intuition is playing a part. Also, as an intangible close friend with some personality traits, she likes to prank me, as I've told in the past, so this does factor in the inaccuracies of predicting an event, or gathering accurate information. 3. Concerning her potential as a medium like entity, that travels out there and gathers information about people, or other worldly entities, I don't have enough information to verify this for myself, but I'm currently observing and testing if she does have potential to develop spirit capabilities like astral projection/ astral travelling, and if she does, to then know and see if this could get developed as well. Also, as I've said before, she communicates to plants, which I don't know if this makes her more likely to be a spirit than an alien or a figment of my imagination, nor if this shows latent potential for developing psychic ability, but it's a good find. She additionally can help pick out healthy plants for the house. 4. Yes, it's super cool to have her as a close friend. Whenever find myself depressed, or negative, interacting with her while I nap or meditate does help bring me more back into being positive.

Well what you're contending with in even the more credible accounts of encounters with these types of phenomena isn't any sort of positive identification of any of these objects, but rather a process of elimination where the object seems as though it's not explainable through more conventional explanations. Now the possibility is certainly open that some of these objects might actually be from another world; but without some method of verification you're not really doing anything more than guessing at this point; there may be possibilities that aren't at all obvious which you're not accounting for. Note that I'm not claiming that the Scientific Method of attempting to empirically Validate claims is the only way of acquiring knowledge (or even always the best way), but I have my doubts that eyewitness accounts from other people of things that lie far outside of most people's lived experience are altogether reliable or trustworthy. Nor is the recorded footage that exists which shows objects recorded from a great distance behaving in strange or unexpected ways necessarily indicative of something from another world, though of course it could be that. If an Alien lands on my lawn tomorrow, or if additional types of evidence further add to the mosiac in a convincing way, I'm of course open to revising my opinions on this matter.

Well fortunately for me I'm comfortable with saying "I don't know" for any of the number of strange incidents that defy easy identification. Sure it could be that a US Navy pilot spotted an actual UFO, or a case of instrumentation error and a alien vessel being the most plausible interpretation given the inputs he had to work with at the time. I don't believe that the people involved in the incident are being dishonest, but even highly experienced professionals can make mistakes, or reach conclusions based on faulty info. Or it could be that the account is %100 genuine. I don't know, and neither do you. Agnosticism seems a perfectly valid response to situations like this. I'm not claiming to possess knowledge that I don't have, but I don't think it's unreasonable to reserve judgement until more conclusive and verifiable evidence is available from reputable sources.

I'm assuming you'd agree that how people interpret the world around them is filtered through whatever cultural paradigm they've been indoctrinated in to, right? Are the vast number of these sightings unambiguous enough where it's crystal clear that the thing that's being looked at is a 'fucking alien', or is it the case that the vast majority of these sightings are of a small blob or series of lights far off in the distance being Interpreted as a UFO because that's become the 'default explanation' for anything strange looking that defies easy categorization? Note : If aliens ever fly thier ship over my fucking head, I'll revise my tune on this ?

Nothing new. This has been science since day 0. Visionary scientists are 1 in a 100,000 and they are usually not appreciated until after they're long dead. Don't get all cute. UFO means alien spaceship. We are not talking about anything else here.

The claim is not metaphysical. The claim is tens of thousands of people have seen UFOs and the reports are too credible and numerous to dismiss at this point. You have to be willfully ignorant to ignore all the reports. These reports are not made by fools. They are made by serious professionals like Navy and commerical pilots. These people are not just making shit up for fame, and they are not crackpots or lunatics. And what they report is alien technology, not weather balloons or swamp gas or giant birds. Sometimes if it looks like an alien and it flies like an alien, it's an alien. The evidence pattern is precisely what you would expect from alien spacecraft who didn't wish to land and make a big welcome party. Science is irrelevant to this matter. If an alien flies over your head, you don't need science to tell you so. And no amount logical deduction can be used to judge the probabilty of it. If an alien flies over your head the probablity is 100%. Another example of horrible misuse of "science". The science is: you see a fucking alien in the sky, and you say aliens exist. It makes zero difference how many sicentists agree or disagree. It matters not a damn what Neil Degrass Tyson thinks. His thoughts are worth less that a plastic fork in this matter. Be ware your misuse of skepticism. There is nothing scientific about it. In fact, it gives science a bad name.

That's not how any of this works. The goal of the court is not to determine truth, but to establish justice to the highest possible degree. The entire point of the court system is to create a binary determination, guilty or not guilty. This is not how science works. We aren't trying to establish the motivations of the aliens, or what exactly they were doing, or whether or not the aliens sitting in the proposed craft were a particular alien. We have data and eye witness reports that show behaviours that cannot be explained by conventional means. You don't need to see anything beyond a silhouette to see that an object is moving is physically unintiutive ways, or that it disappears or flies away at a speed equally unintuitive. You don't know anything about a potential alien civilization. Why would it be the case that they would have the ability to mask their crafts? Just because you assume that is possible? And furthermore, what would even be the motivation for conceilment? Why would they believe that your way of conceilment is more appropriate than another? How do you know they are even familiar with the way other beings would detect an object? There are so many ungrounded assumptions it's utterly silly. Okay, provide some arguments for this. You are just assering that it is not unreasonable to assume X. Why would they be motivated to hide themselves, how do you know whether or not in their eyes, whatever conceilment they use, is not effective for whatever they are trying to accomplish? How do you know what kind of technologies they would have and be interested in? What about any of this is reasonable? All you do is trying to project your silly sci-fi ideas onto the real world. But this doesn't actually contend with any of the data there is. There are people who want aliens to exist as much as people who are dogmatically opposed to it. You don't recognize anything, you are simply asserting something that you have no way to justify. How the hell do you know what is most likely? You don't know anything, and you seem to not even be willing to contend or even look at the data that is already present.

@Windappreciator lol I'm not an alien and I don't have the power to cage up humanity. But my theory is already put into test with veganism alone

On a practical note, it sucks to suck, and I want to enjoy my life. I want to be able to help human beings and have a positive impact on life here. Below I’ve written what my answer is if we are not considering practicality. If I don’t assimilate the consciousness and power of all Existence into my conscious control, my avatar can’t have the highest stats. I don’t want to lose my first inter-dimensional PvP match to some machine elf, alien, or obscure deity. I’d like to create the first serious competitor to the Dao in order to break up this unhealthy monopoly in the marketplace of Existence. I’d like to be worshipped as the God of Madness, or simply Madness itself, in all possible timelines and realities. My favored weapon in battle would be picked before each fight by a random number generator. Option #42 would be a perfect replica of Mao’s genitalia made of fool’s gold called “Ze DONG” for example.

Scene cuts to Peony entering the main hall of the palace. A large hall adorned by pillars and chandeliers. Such beauty and wealth. Peony is a poor woman raised in poverty. Such wealth is alien to her. She cannot even make sense of why a rich royal like Jagat has set his eyes on her when he can have a bevy of rich ladies waiting to for a chance with him. But Jagat won't let go..

Thank you for your time and detailed response! It makes much more sense now. Thank you! So on the one hand, there is a way that reality actually is and the way we imagine it to be. So for example, earth is round from outer space but appears like a plane from earth perspective. What I did wrong was I confused objective truth for relative truth. So flat earthers are wrong about the earth being flat from space relative to their perceptions and sensations. If an alien looks at earth from 7D and sees it as flat and I am in 3D seeing it as round, then we would be both “correct” and no perception in this case is more valid than others relative to survival. If the human who sees in 3D and is on a planet in 7D, their perceptions won’t match with the survival needs of those in 7D in this hypothetical. So assuming we all perceive reality in the same dimension, a flat earther would see a similar social constructed spherical shape, dictated by our culture as spherical and round. The flat earther would be fooling themselves if they denied their perceptions that the earth appears spherical when it is. But the Alien in 7D May see our earth completely different and not spherical at all. Maybe aliens see shapes totally different like you mentioned in the Cat and Boop example. And to a blind man, the earth is neither flat nor round in the experiential perspective. Shapes and colors do not exist visually to a blind man and shapes are relative to how we define shapes. Thanks for your response and I plan on contemplating this a bit more and I will reread your post again to add more clarity to my contemplation and to make sure I am getting this and not confusing or deluding myself.

It as a nice read, but ultimately this is just another one in a large pile of theories I have already read about alien life and their machinations. For the record, I hope you are wrong and they do make the obvious entrance most of us hope for, humanity needs a reality wake-up.

HAah ha ha prefect analogy. Remember the first time I glimpsed the thing "alien" was the first thought that popped into the mind. REALLY CREEPY because of how infinite and intelligent it was. And then I used the metaphor of being possessed, first your entire being, and then it possesses everything else then eventually it IS the entire universe, always have been, and it is only THAT which is looking out through your eyes. When you walk is just the universe eating. When you shit is just the universe shitting.

It’s as radical as a trip. You aren’t feeling what I’m feeling. Your judgments for the quality of consciousness are too rigid which keeps you from properly seeing the moment as it is which is enough to transport you to somewhere that’s far more foreign than some DMT alien space, but you’ve went nowhere and nothing has moved. You’re in a human room on earth, from the perspective of this conversation. Nothing has to change for everything to change more than change itself.

I have been reading a lot of comments the past few days, before making up my mind about what has happened. The main issue seems to be that the majority of people that critique and misinterpret Leo's work are not able to distinguish between Absolute Truth and relative truth. This doesn't make much sense to me, because I have always been able to make such a distinction, but the people that come on this forum have various level of development and I can see how a newbie might misunderstand a True spiritual principle like "All fears are illusion". My suggestion is to make a video or a post about the topic of Absolut Truth and relative truth and pin it at the top of the forum, so that it is clearly stated that they are two different things. I have noticed another problem with the spiritual community in general. Spiritual people tend to become crazy and forget how to behave like a normal human being. The main issue is that on the spiritual path you might see things out of this world and if your mind is not malleable enough you might go insane. I wish that people would be able to have a mystical experience or chat with an alien on Friday and then be able to go to work at the office on Monday, as if nothing special as happened. A video along the line of "How not to lose your mind while on the spiritual path" is much needed. Again, some people on this forum have been studying non-duality for years and others are completely new to the path. In my opinion, it has to be stressed more that studying the map of the non-dual territory actually matters, otherwise you might crash hard. Leo, you used to do that in the past way more, now you are promoting psychedelics. Which is fine to me, but promoting psychedelics to a newbie might have negative repercussions. I think you should make clear that before getting serious with psychedelics a newbie should have a clear understanding of non-duality. Personally, before trying any kind of psychedelic I have studied non-duality for five years or even more, and those five years of study have helped me a lot making sense of what I have experienced during my psychedelics session and staying a functional human being. I hope this post is going to help somehow @Leo Gura

Salvia Divinorum did not reproduce the no-self effect for me as deeply as the combination of being really stoned on cannabis then hitting a large amount of DMT. On that combination I recall now that I literally had no idea that humans ever existed. By no idea I mean truly, I did not even try to remember what a human is because I didn't even know such a thing existed. I did not know that I had EVER not been where I was at that time or that I ever had a name. I WAS a worm, always had been, and I had always existed in this neon green tunnel which I moved through. There was no possibility to be scared and I did not focus on the trip or what was happening, because I had NO IDEA that this was unusual at all. It was like you are a human now but really you're a space alien and soon you will be back in your alien self. We have no idea what's happening now is abnormal so we feel it is mundane. Same thing. A curious experience but ultimately uninsightful. If you don't even know that you ought to be paying attention to what's happening then you will simply miss it all.

@Dodo If you were sober and seeing things which aren't there and thinking you are Jesus being attacked by dark forces, I would suggest looking into the possibility of schizophrenia. There's an actual easy at home test for schiz, involving sipping soda while making a certain facial expression. Connor stops believing he is an alien etc. once he is given antipsychotics. If dark forces are causing you distress, something like Seroquel might make them vanish.

He also says he is a 5th dimensional alien lifeform, that he is the literal second coming of Christ, and all sorts. Have you even seen how unhinged and ill he is? He has been sectioned for psychosis already.

I've just been wondering myself as to how seeing 'aliens' may have originally come about for me 15-14 months ago. I had previously been doing practices that would induce a non judgement, non fear based state. My perception was very clean during the beginning of that period of time. To have perceived what was normal as otherwise 'alien' to my perception could be a real possibility. Although it doesn't explain why intentions were so much more loving and positive than a usual human being.