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I have already awakened. Who told you I couldn't be here and be awake? It's not distracting me at all, no matter what I read or write on this forum. My conscious state and direct aware experience is not affected by this forum at all.

Even no concept and no belief is a conceptual belief and even truth is a conceptual belief. This is the type of guru doublespeak that points to someone else's conceptual belief as an illusion and calls their own as the truth. That sort of word dance is the game one plays when trying to be 'right' and having the 'truth' while telling other's they are 'wrong' and 'illusion'. It isn't that there is no conceptual belief that passes through perception at all which makes for the awakened experience that people call the conceptual belief of 'enlightenment'. It's the attachment to that conceptual belief which may cause self suffering in the one it passes through. If a conceptual belief is enshrined as truth it has the power to cause suffering to the one that empowers it. Someone perceptive might say to me 'aha, are you not calling your own truth and another's an illusion'? I'll reply that it's all conceptual belief that passes through perception, even my own perspective but it doesn't cause self suffering because I do not enshrine my perspective as truth. It's a momentary perspective and awakening is the presence of being in the moment not the perspective's contents in that moment. Awakening to oneness will have infinite perspectives of perception to experience in infinite moments of now to experience them but isn't any one of them, all of them or none of them. It's the being present in the moment of perceiving, not what passes through as the content of the perception. Our presence of being allows for whatever passes through perception to be as it is but don't build a shrine to any of it. Realization is awakening to presence of being in the moment, knowledge is what passes through the perception and is expressed infinitely. Attaching to any of it can cause self suffering through our enshrining it as truth but don't enshrine this realization either....let it be what it is.

I've only ever watched 3 of his vids, and to me he's not really sharing or teaching anything that hasn't already been taught for millennia by the truly enlightened .To me he's just sharing what he's read and learned from them,mixed with his own practical experience, insights, and interpretation. But to give credit where credit is due,he's also putting in the effort to realize it for himself. Imo,if that happens in a big way he won't be teaching the way we know or see it now (intellectual knowledge and or theory),, but from a reality that has awakened deep within the heart/core of his being, and is far beyond the intellect. Imo,,he's a virtual encyclopedia of sound, spiritual theory and in that regard,a good resource for anyone looking for a solid theoretical base in which to start from.

I understand that suffering is the human condition and how we are awakened. She does not desire me to leave her? I would not say angst and desire is the same thing. Guys have left her in the past because she's "Too nice" and she's very sexually naive.

Can't say for certain since both I and some awakened people I know have plenty of cravings left. I think the craving that binds people to samsara and causes suffering is a different mechanism than bodily signals and impulses in their pure form (sexual desire, hunger, physical discomfort). Awakening or entering non-duality is a major step for people, seeing beyond the constraints of identification with the body-mind. After that, some people may settle. With a relatively stable emotional life, it's not all that bad of a place to be, and it's quite remarkably better and more freeing than duality. Just like some people find relative stability and satisfaction in duality. Others, who have bigger emotional issues, or more difficult life circumstances, or something like chronic pain, can still experience immense dissatisfaction and suffering. Another way to say this is, awakened people have a lot of ego and craving left, and under the right circumstances those things will be triggered. That can open up a cyclical process of breaking down and building the ego back up, dropping fragments of it each time. Aspects of self are seen through and then the self tries to once again redeem itself, to redeem samsara. That can go on for a long time until there's an undeniable experience of the very nature of life being dukkha (inherent lack of satisfaction), and there is no possibility of redemption. It is seen clearly that satisfaction cannot be found in this life. That craving is an inescapable loop. This realization, which can repeat itself again and again more clearly, leads to dispassion, which leads to cravings starting to completely fall away, as the futility of their mechanism is seen. And that will supposedly continue until there's nothing left. Until the entire mechanism that traps us is samsara is burnt out.

Struggling to become awakened.

A likely reason Eckhart Tolle has never talked about it because he may only have awakened on the level of mind (or third eye awakening) and not any other centres in the body. Many people have third eye awakenings and think they are enlightened but have no idea that a serious mind and body rewiring process needs to take place in order to fully embody love and flow. Don’t listen to seriously to people who say they are enlightened and yet have no idea about kundalini energy or chakras. They may have had a awakening but they are yet to do the serious emotional work. Kundalini is just energy that everyone has. However someone needs to go through a really deep awakening to realise it into free potential and become conscious of it. Once it begins flowing through the body it gives a person the opportunity to awaken other chakras. This is usually is not a quick process, it can several years of difficult work and healing. Start reading up on the different chakras and what they represent. Be continually mindful of anything that comes up and inquire into it. Of course it’s going to be easier with a teacher.

From my understanding there are many people out there who has the kundalini awakened but they have no idea about it ?

@Aeris yesterday @tsukiI don’t really remember life pre awakening so I can’t tell you how I have changed compared to my pre awakened state. Compared to my early post awakened states. Post awakening I still had immense conscious and subconsious arrogance, very little understanding or clarity of seeing in regaards to others eg why they do what they do, and as a result immense lack of compassion (Genuine compassion out of understanding. Not due to a non dual high. Had those.) I was still emo beaneath the surface, angered, frustrated, it was just easier to deal with. As maharaj once said “the ego still arises for me it just dissipates as soon as it arises.” It was such a state. It felt like that, but in hindsight it only appeared like that because my reference point was severely limited. Let’s use an analogy. A loud stereo that’s always been on during ur entire lifetime being turned down a bit or by a decent amount might seem like it’s close to silence. Yet it is far, far away from silence. Most people in and out of non duality can’t fathom how noisy a calm mind with vasanas really is, until they shed a tremendous amount of them. At a certain volume using the analogy I used my brain stopped being able to consciously thing or engage in an inner dialogue. I couldn’t talk to myself mentally if I chose to. It felt very unnatural if I attempted it. The only time an internal dialogue is present is when I am typing oddly enough. I don’t understand why lol. In regards my visual cortex and imagination. Like my ability to think it’s not at all active like it used to be and I don’t have the ability to day dream, and become engaged in visual thoughts. I do like a good song but it doesn’t do much for me. In regards to psychological feelings. I have them. They are, however, drastically reduced in intensity and some feelings I’m incapable of having. Eg feelings of ill will even in reaction to something, pride, anger (I often feel helpless in a way in its stead.) Hunger is there. Sexual arousal is more like sexual readiness. It doesn’t arouse me, but I can have sex when my member is ready lol. Physical pain wise That’s an odd question. Why would I damage my body lol. I’m not stupid. I have thought that my relationship to pain has changed when I have been in pain eg recently I had some kidney pain because of a kidney stone. Nothing serious doe In response to your synethesia question. Ofcourse. & last but not least I’m more functional than ever. @Preetom Not married, just have a partner, and 28/29;) @tsuki

@tsuki Nothing asides the stuff I mentioned, but yep curiousity and pretty sure I wasn’t. I have changed experientially, mentally and in other ways quite dramatically. Still do. I wasn’t like this before. @Preetom I awakened before psychedelics. Did psychedelics a year and a half/two years after awakening. Doing psychedelics is when shit got weird doe lol. Kundalini, and other sorts of weirdness. One of the teachers I was into at a point in time said your whole life can be yoga. He awoke at 50 with no prior meditation experience nor anything of that sort. Yet he was ripe. He learned what he needed to learn you could say in a way (You can look him up. He is good. Sat Shree is his name.) Years spent in meditation is one factor. Ripeness, due to life, perspective and so on. Are other factors that can delay awakening or speed it up.

@Arhattobe Btw on the flip side, could it be that you awakened so fast BECAUSE you had nasty episodes with psychedelics back in the days? While most monks spend 50 years in a sangha just to be more close-minded, dogmatic and lowkey egotistical in the end. How could you ever know?

@Shadowraix You could say that. @Preetom 5 years actually. Awakened 4 years ago, but the craziest stuff happened 2 years after awakening. @Tistepiste My ability to retain and recall useful information is still pretty good or hasn’t changed much I think. I just can’t have an internal dialogue, and don’t retain useless information eg random memories.

Everything what happen to us is to become awakened, there's no "mental problems" or whatever, those are labels we put on people that we don't understand what they are living and why. That's all BS. What IS, is always the way it has to be...

What if we're talking about the same thing with different language? What does it mean to choose? Who is choosing? The universe. Is there really a choice? Yes and No. No because what we perceive to be choice would have happened anyway, regardless of what perception we have around the chooser. Ultimately there is noone choosing Nothing. And yes, because the movie is playing. In the movie we learn. The movie (relative) is not separate from who I am (absolute). If we separate them there is duality again. There is a choice to have eggs or cornflakes, and consequences apply. Whether we perceive the choice to be illusiory is irrelevant. There is choosing to think, or choosing not to, and consequences apply. In choosing not to today, there was realisation that ego had taken over creating undesirable consequences, and hence motivation to remain still again. It is the opinion of some that true mastery is making that choice. To dial up different states of consciousness. This is a form of choice. I'm not claiming to be a master, I'm just a rookie, but there is acknowledgment of responsibility for choices. It is far too easy, once awakened, to spiritually bypass responsibility with 'there was no-one here doing it'. Today I had payments cut off because I forgot to do something. When I called the guy, memory was so vacant I couldn't remember the three questions I had to ask. It just fails to arise. Yesterday when in my head I could remember all sorts. I'm screwed either way. Ego vs dysfunctionality. Choice!

@Viking The thing is, nobody is prepared for awakening, no matter how many years of study they have done. In the moment of awakening one will enter in amnesia mode. So less learning is better than being indoctrinated in concepts. This sounds crazy what i'm saying now, but it works like this. Prepare to forget everything about yourself, otherwise is not transcendence. When one comes the other side is literally like being born again. Those claiming that you have to be prepared is a paradox, they are not awakened and they speak about concepts the majority Again, no knowledge can prepare you for the other side, ask Leo, he burned himself many times, hahahaha.

@Bluebird The Buddha supposedly did escape samsara. By my intuition and experience his core teachings are very on point so I believe it is indeed possible. As long as there is any karma or ego, as long as there is any you, you are bound to the cycle of reincarnation. If you shed all karma, there's nirvana, liberation. Which is a much much taller order than the awakened states our popular teachers are in.

Who is down for a challenge? Not a challenge who is getting wiser or awakened. A challenge to acknowledge the benefits of Cholesterol during one week and the highest quality nutrition on this Earth; thank you existence! Twelve raw yolks then, per day, and fruit for hydration.

talked a non-duality teacher (self realized) which a friend introduced to me yesterday over the phone. my first time with such encounter... i am not sure if it was due to the fact that it was over the phone... or just a different platform with speaking about non-duality with someone i know to be awakened... by i didn't really quite know what to talk about or ask... almost like what you see in tony parson/ jim newman's meetings... it's like a question forms (if/when it finally does) like a wave... and there is this tension so to speak which can only be seemingly resolved with the answer the answer is the wave crashing back into the ocean thereby bringing upon peace and solving that question with this, it was seen that questions are truly never ending and a helpless pursuit... sure, one can't help if the questions form but seeing and understanding this naturally will shun many if not most questions from forming... just the waves and the ocean dancing - nothing to see / ask here

If it was over the phone, How did you know he was awakened ? Because your friend told you so ?

Today, being a hard-worker is seen as commendable, almost virtuous. “Get a job” is an insult intended to insinuate that someone is lazy and contributing little to society, while “hard-working folk” are considered morally decent citizens. It wasn’t always that way. More than 2,300 years ago, the philosopher Aristotle declared that the virtuous life was not one devoted to work. Writing in Politics, he declared that: "…in the most nobly constituted state, and the one that possesses men that are absolutely just, not merely just relatively to the principle that is the basis of the constitution, the citizens must not live a mechanic or a mercantile life (for such a life is ignoble and inimical to virtue), nor yet must those who are to be citizens in the best state be tillers of the soil (for leisure is needed both for the development of virtue and for active participation in politics)." In other words, people who are too busy working don’t have the time to perform their civic duty or develop sophisticated morals. On the same line of thought, nobody awakened having a job from 9 to 5. So those caught in working and working, think again, was a forced brainwashed released in the past, now people don't know how to build their lives anymore. They are too scared of taxes, authority and building an image, more than life itself. As a conclusion, working is not a virtue, it is in slavery circles. So the majority of the world became a big slavery circle, lol.

@win@winterknight From the fully realized "POV" which I consider to be yours/mooji/spira/tolle's ever-present experience which doesn't shift back and forth... From that POV, would the "awakened one" care or have preference over if IT were to shift between having the POV of a character who is awakened and rich vs a character who is awakened and poor, homeless and say partially blind. In other words, when that "which I am" is seen as already and eternally to be self realized would it care about what then unfolds out in my life? Like if there is hardship initially and then whatever or even hardship and a.continued downward spiral... As long as one is buddah, there is no more to be done? It is, as it is? Even with the character sitting down and doing nothing, and having the realization he is buddah, this is ok? (I am sure Bad for the character but ok for the self) Another question The realization that all is unfolding as it should really for.me personally brings me to just being ok with the situation, no matter how shitty things are... But the trick here is that this may allow things to get worse because you aren't doing anything about it. It's almost as if it's like the character really has to be okay with the present circumstances if it's the reflection of the understanding, however should also look back and see the repetitive negative behaviours leading the line of destruction of your life and what you should learn your responsibility as the ME and create and work for the work which will bring your life back to track.

above the "non dual" awakening, there is still magnetic fields. I m not joking, this reality has several laws. The problem is they are litteraly born from experience and self conceptualisation / and a lot of practical work. cannot be explained to dormant mind, and awakened mind get it their own ways. if you put your hands above the fire, it burns, is a law, project the idea. is the idea, the fire is real, only a fool believe he can rape 100 people in the street without paying the price.

Again, the point is that working in society with dormant folk in the majority of case you won't be able to transcend. And those who have awakened don't work, they have a system built to work for them. They work in teaching people or some sorts. They create something. So yeah the awakened human is superior i give you that, even if you think otherwise. "Do you think that people will tolerate, if you just simply sit on the couch, without contributing?" Yes they will because only slaves have this mindset. A system can be place and you can have income almost for free. I mean building a creative something, a career, a purpose, not only working for someone, this is my point, working for someone is the dumb part that leads to what Aristotle said.

I agree. I see this in myself and others. Roots of what turns into belligerence, perhaps. Allow me to be so pompous as to theoretically give a solution to this problem in education that would involve distancing from left brain rationality to include the Chaotic right brain as well as whole body awareness. Starting with Carol Anthony's take on commonsense which she makes one word out of. Commonsense: is a consensus of all the senses. The commonsense comprises the five senses of inner perception and the metaphorical senses. In humans, the commonsense is the "inner judge," which discerns what is in harmony with the person's inner truth (and therefore also in harmony with the Cosmos) and what is not. It's judgement is based on the inner senses, and is in the form of feeling. Another function of the commonsense is that of being the Helper of Transformation (This applies only to humans). This function is referred to in the Hexagrams 15, Modesty, 16, Enthusiasm, 17, Following, and 21 Biting Through. As part of our animal nature, the commonsense gets blocked when a person's animal nature has been slandered as "lowly" or as "the source of evil". Why education needs to include instructing that we are '3 brained beings' - Zigzag Almaas: “For the process of understanding to happen, three elements need to be there at the same time. The element of disidentification is one of them, involvement is another. The third element is the quality of allowing. These elements can be there when there is harmony among the three centers—the belly center, the chest center, and the head center. When there is this harmony, it is possible to experience fully, to allow, and to disidentify. Now, what do I mean by these three elements? Each center contributes to the process of understanding. If the head center is functioning correctly, it means that space or emptiness is allowed. What is the significance of space and emptiness? Space and emptiness make possible the quality of allowing. When there is space in the mind, there is no self-image. You’re not trying to stick to something in particular. You’re not trying to go somewhere. The mind is allowing whatever is there to be there. So the head center’s participation or contribution is space, which is an allowing, a welcoming in a sense—space for things to happen without rejection, without trying to hold on. You become complete allowing. The heart center’s contribution has to do with its central quality, which is the personal essence. The contribution of the personal essence is the diving movement, the actual living of the experience. You not only allow it, you’re in the midst of it, you’re one with it. You’re really it, you let it happen, you feel it fully, you sense it fully, you experience it fully, right? That’s the contribution of the heart center. The belly center has its contribution, which is represented by the self, the essential self. The contribution of the essential self is the disidentification, the turning away. When you are truly functioning in the belly, you are completely present, and being completely present, you are being yourself. So you are not identified with the usual activity of trying to get somewhere else.” Diamond Heart Book Three, pg. 73 Almaas: “Distinguishing Physical Sensation from Essential Substance The capacity to sense oneself must become so refined that the individual can discriminate between physical sensation and the sensation of essential substance. It is not enough that the mind be quiet. It is also necessary for the body to be sensitive. The mind can be quiet while the body is deadened. The body has to be awakened so that the center of sensing, the belly center, can be activated. The belly center, or what Gurdjieff called the physical center, is the center of sensing for all parts of the body. Its deepest function is the subtle sensing, the sensing of essential presence, that the Sufis call the organ for touch. Touch is, in a sense, the most intimate of the physical senses. The skin must be directly against an object to touch it. There is no intermediary medium, like sound for hearing or light for seeing. So this subtle capacity is a very intimate one. Accurately speaking, it is sensing essence by being essence. It is the most direct way of perception. This capacity of touch, connected with the belly center, is very intimately connected with the embodiment of essence. It is the body center; its mode of perception is embodiment. Here, perception as touch, and being, are the same act. So this capacity is the most important one.” Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 130 “Functioning of the Essential Self in the Belly Center Yes, usually the belly center has to do with embodiment, with the capacity to sense oneself. However, the belly center is also the will center. In a sense, the ultimate function of the will is to surrender to what happens, surrender to the now. And surrender to the now means not to hold on to something. The true function of the will is complete surrender to what’s happening without holding on. That is will. The essential self, like all essential aspects, can function in any of the subtle centers. When one is being the essential self its location is usually the heart center. However, when the essential self is functioning in relation to identifying or disidentifying from any content of experience, it becomes associated with the belly center. The essential self is more like a potential for experience, and it also manifests as a capacity for identification. One of the results of that capacity for identification is embodiment. Embodying something means you are identified with what’s happening. An essential state is present. You are embodying it if you are it. The true self has the capacity to identify with something you are experiencing, but it doesn’t have to. It has a choice; it has the freedom.” Diamond Heart Book Three, pg. 79 I guess my notions about commonsense have turned into an argument for education and Culture itself as being too left brained and doesn't include much in the way of whole body awareness or including the heart in the process of perceiving and understanding. This might be relating back to your mention of the paradox of commonsense and introspection. I may have gone off on a tangent but this is my version of fun,,,, Given also that my blindspot is still mostly intact, there is probably some form of me not seeing the forest for the all the trees,,,,

@Hellspeed I have awakened after just one year of doing The Work of Byron Katie. I’ve also done a lot of shadow work at the same time. Two birds with one stone.