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You should also take into account that the things I say on this forum are not my formal teachings. I say a lot of things here flippantly and casually, as I develop them in my own mind. This forum is a testing ground for my ideas, which then get formalized and released as videos, courses, and books. When I release my course or book, that's where everything will be laid out perfectly. I use feedback and reactions from this forum to refine how I formulate and articulate my teachings. Especially with new and radical topics such as this alien stuff. My work has an unusually iterative and sloppy style. I do a lot of rapid refinement of things I post until eventually it turns rock solid. It doesn't start out rock solid because these topics are so tricky and nuanced and I prefer to hash it out in public rather than work on it for years alone in the dark. So expect a lot of evolution in how I frame things and in my positions. I have no attachment to my own positions. This not an ideology we are building.

What was the emotional level like? Could you elaborate some more here? Did you experience some "alien" emotions?

I of course acknowledge that spiritual teachings have their relative use. But in order to reach the levels of consciousness that I now reach, I had to throw it all away. Perhaps I go a bit overboard with this as I have to over-correct. In my own mind had to reject the notion that anyone at all is Awake but me. This may sound arrogant from your POV, but it was absolutely necessary for me to do this to break free of the illusion of other. You have no idea what ancient civilizations were conscious of. It's all speculation. And also simply irrelevant to your consciousness now. And the levels of consciousness I reached are unaffected by any ancient civilization. I am literally talking about how to become the most conscious thing in existence. Nothing can be more conscious than you. Because there will only be you. There won't exist any civilization when you are this conscious. All of mankind will just be a figment of your mind. Open. I didn't come into contact with it. I recognized that I was an alien. I came pretty close.

@Leo Gura when you came into contact with this alien consciousness was it with your eyes open or closed?

@Leo Gura you could try to make a visual representation of this alien hyper intelligence with A.I

I’ve had dreams that are so alien and psychedelic where language can’t even describe what it was

More dangerous than IV. I came close to killing myself. Becoming an alien isn't as easy as you think. You think this is some cute joke, but it ain't.

I can't be counted among these 4chan posters you reference. In that, I do legitimate supernatural feats, and am aware of other human entities under the same umbrella of practice. Furthermore, in the future, I will endeavor not to accost Leo or anyone else seeking evidence of any powers or abilities they claim to have. And to represent the truthful aspects of your worldview @RMQualtrough to the best of my ability, and do my best to protect you from any material you may find to be offensive. It's true that many come here seeking advice in supernatural matters, this is not an entirely foolish action. But it should be done with the understanding that Leo's values don't include such practical utilitarianism in everyday life. Or to be more specific, Leo values truth above all else, or at least in the past he has. Now I'm starting to think he values this alien mouse above all else. Perhaps some or even many supernatural claims constitute inaccurate and untruthful information. But on what basis do you reason that all of these accounts, and that would include some I myself have posted on this forum, are inaccurate?

Nothing about your experience is invalid. The actuality and ontological implications of your experience aren‘t invalid either. The metaphysical ranking you’re giving them though, the importance you’re giving them, is a distraction and based on what you’re saying, false. This falshood is not to say they’re invalid or not real. The meaning is false. Thinking this is anything other than more mind and somehow higher than God or beyond God is false. Chasing these altered states will only lead to misery when you understand impermanence and the ruthless, relentless torrent of rebirth and as much as you’d love to distract yourself from, suffering. This Leo character is a fraction, a fiction, a pure fantasy to Truth. Know what you really are, and a dancing alien mouse or burning alive in full lotus can’t touch you. The work or lack thereof you do in this life has real consequences my friend. Tread carefully.

Yep. Watching this spiral out of control has been such a teaching. If anyone thinks they understand Buddhism without thousands of hours of meditation, really 10,000+ minimum, they’re completely deluded. Trying to understand Buddhism without traveling into the subtlety of the sober mind is going fail. Hence the steaming pile of shit we see unfolding with Alien consciousness and Earth consciousness. Which btw, are super cool and have profound implications for the nature of consciousness and reality, but nothing to do with Enlightenment other than they obscure the deepest truth when clung to like Leo is doing. The clinging, that is the stench, that is the hubris and self deception in action, that is the Devil. Buddhism is not the truth, it is a path to the truth and not only path. There is Advaita, Christianity, Sufism, etc. Truth transcends all of it and a real Buddhist understands this. However, Buddhism teaches more than a path to the Absolute, so there is more. Many Buddhists do get lost in the weeds, and many turn Buddhism into the goal, not recognizing the goal is beyond Buddhism. But this has nothing to do with Buddhism, only the seeker’s misunderstanding or in this case, the skeptics. Once one crosses the shore, there is no need to carry the boat on one’s back.

What same question? There are 3 main causes: 1) I developed a very powerful new method for taking psychedelics. This generates some truly new states of consciousness. 2) I've simply exhausted all the standard spiritual stuff, so I was ready to find new things. 3) I've worked hard to throw out all human spiritual teachings, so my mind operates completely independently. This is one of the reasons why I trash nonduality and Buddhism so harshly. I had to do that in order to destroy any authority it has in my mind. It was holding me back for years but I was too scared to throw it away. In a sense, I killed the Buddha, pissed on his rotting corpse, and wiped my ass with his orange robe. So now I can really begin spiritual work. This has allowed me to access some truly alien kinds of consciousness.

Leo isn't claiming to be a space alien, he's claiming he became a GOD Alien. There's a very substantial difference between these. Furthermore, he isn't claiming that he is that alien now per se, he's merely telling us of an experience he's had in the past, that in all probability he'll go through again in the future. Leo is also not claiming to not be a human being, don't let him telling you things like "people just assume they're human" fool you. He fully understands that as God he's hallucinating his human being self, and that God's hallucinations are absolute truth. Therefore it's true that he's human in accordance with his own words. So unless you're saying that Leo is mentally ill for calling himself human, and we could probably just as easily classify you as mentally ill under the same, you're not making claims that are relevant to any of Leo's claims or statements.

Leo told Connor Murphy he'd "lost it" for thinking he was a space alien, I'm failing to see any difference whatsoever between Connor Murphy claiming to be a space alien and Leo claiming to be a space alien. Anyone who had "awakened" would have nothing but the same exact shit to post over and over again. This ITT is all just like, 4chan /x/ tier people. Nothing at all to do with any sort of deep truths at all.

You should start saying that you aren't conscious anymore. Just for a change. Might make everything more believable. It might even put an end to the consciousness competition charade. So who's more conscious today? Any prizes? Today you're two points higher up in consciousness than the hyper intelligent alien mouse yesterday. Must feel better raking up a higher score everyday. Leave some praise for unconscious beings like us. Starting to get jealous of you now.

@Leo Gura The idea behind dependent arising is to awaken from all dreams. Anything within mind is included. Awakening from the "some guy called Leo" is merely a speck within the chain of possibility to become entangled In. I still don't see how the Buddhist dependent arising stuff does not apply regardless of whether you're an alien, Leo, or a door knob. It's a universal principle.

@Leo Gura do you sense that this alien intelligence was imagining being "Leo"? Or that both the hyperintelligent alien mouse and Leo were just equal expressions of yourself? If this mouse is some kind of alchemical bond between absolute weirdness, absolute playfulness and absolute quirkiness, and that is your highest will even in your current state of consciousness, why do you feel you are not that mouse now? Or is your highest will to be Leo who is transmuting into this hyperintelligent mouse and making some kind of connection between these?

I think the mouse might have something to do with life energy. When I experienced an alien consciousness and experienced the same childlike, playful, joyful energy my life energy was high. Life energy is brought about by the unmanifested. Life energy (Yang) and the unmanifested (Yin) are two sides of one whole, just like Shakti and Shiva. There is no Shakti without Shiva and there is no Shiva without Shakti.

I think the mouse might have something to do with life energy. When I experienced an alien consciousness and experienced the same childlike, playful, joyful energy my life energy was high. Life energy is brought about by the unmanifested. Life energy (Yang) and the unmanifested (Yin) are two sides of one whole, just like Shakti and Shiva. There is no Shakti without Shiva and there is no Shiva without Shakti.

I know this will be hard for you to believe, but an alien hyper intelligence doesn't give a fuck about your math riddles.

With derealization I look at family and see them like familiar alien beings. But this perception is based in dissociation and results in being a bit more dumb than usual compared to states of normal function.

@Leo Gura What was the purpose of becoming an alien hyper intelligence? God-Realization or your Realization of the Infinity of Gods seems much higher type of Realizations then this one.

I'll add one more thing to clear up the confusion: In depersonalization/derealization when they say alien, they are talking about feeling alienated. Leo is talking about a non-human intelligence, not the sense of alienation.

IME, part of it is looking at oneself as if one is alien. But it's not the predominant focus. Alright, enough side-tangent.

Yes I meant Alien Mind only. Thanks for encouragement. I might bump into Alien Charizard! I understand to a certain degree that conciousness truly has no limits. I say to a certain degree because whenever I expand my limits I feel threatened. But the truth is - It is literally Unlimited. Infinite Singularity

@Leo Gura I thought you were curious about this as well. You said if you could exist as this alien mouse right now you would. I am not asking you. I am asking myself.