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@Someone here Agree, Happiness, Like Bliss and Ecstasy (which are just more intense Experiences, Ecstasy being the Highest Intense Positive Experience we can have, Peace being the lowest of the Positive, anything below Peace is not living Human Potential) are not Emotions I would say... Pleasure is a shadow of Happiness, it comes then goes and is mostly based on 5 sense organ stimulation, Happiness is not this, its a naturally occurring experience once You create the appropriate atmosphere within Yourself, usually via Sadhana of some sort, some have it more naturally, others not so much, this is due to their individual Karmic makeup, but a Quality Sadhana can fix all of that, the Sadhana does not produce the Happiness/Bliss or Ecstasy, it just fixes the Atmosphere within You to allow it too naturally flow, we are meant to always Experience these feelings, it enhances are natural abilities on all fronts and allows Life to open up and new Potentials to become available to You:)

@Actualising Very good question. I owe my spiritual success to osho above all spiritual material I have come to. Osho initiated me into the Truth and guided me towards enlightenment experiences. If you want to be like osho, start by doing less. He lived a passive aggressive meditative lifestyle. Start to have less and less to and give more time to your well being, rest/good sleep, enjoyment, meditation and reading. Then also stop socializing so much, coming to forums, using social media and exit the matrix mind as much as possible. Just try to stay a whole day without doing nothing literally. From nothing to meditating as much as you can. Slowly get used to this lifestyle until it becomes your new reality. I’m supposing if you will be doing this, you are aiming towards enlightenment. I copied his lifestyle when I got started into spirituality at 18 and had much success in tasting the truth. I couldn’t done otherwise, since it’s like the easiest and surest way aside from using psychedelics. All other methods require more skill, knowledge and balance. With osho style you can just go your lazy way towards enlightenment, resting on bed meditating 24/7. It feels like a resort. I miss those days intoxicated with bliss. Also, read his books, his articles on his website and watch his videos from time to time to feel his silence.

yes this is true, but the problem with taking substances is that it may create subtle change, give a simple realization that there can be another way to BE within ones self, but its not Transformative generally speaking, Transformation means nothing of the old remains. So once in an Experience of Love/Bliss as a natural Experience then everything transforms, the perception of the world is transformed, and enhanced, then Life opens up, Possibility and Potentials in life become accessible, the path to Enlightenment comes closer to living reality!

Love or Bliss (you only want Love, Connectedness, Completeness because it gives You a great sense of Bliss) is the grease that keep things flowing smoothly, its is not a goal in and of itself, its just allows Enlightenment to happen smoothly and with Ease, why have challenges and suffering along the way when You can enjoy the ride and get there anyways!!!

I've shared the 5 Sheaths Theory before here on the Forum, I think it explains it well and detailed as to what reincarnates and such... What dissolves at physical death is the Earth Body and the Mind Body (Intellect, Discretion, Personal Memories and such), what goes on is the Energy Body, Etheric Body, Bliss Body (I am not sure what the Bliss Body is, is it a covering for the Atman/Soul, or is it that itself??) Karma is Stored in the Energy Body, so that goes along as reincarnation is happening... Some of what Your talking about is not Karma, its Duality at play which can cause Karma to be in place and being created moment to moment I guess? Karma is cause and affect, residual memory imprints from previous actions in 4 places as a Human Being, Body, Mind, Emotion and Energy, action in these 4 areas are happening on a moment to moment basis, how Aware are You/WE of these actions all the time?? Probably its at a nil level, so therefore most ppl are living by accident, not on purpose or with Consciousness of What they are, and What it means to be Human...But the situation is set up to be perfect almost, Nature if left alone is almost Perfect, the way our planet revolves around the Sun for as long as it is and will be, its perfect, as it the rest of the Universe and Existence, but things are not so perfect on this planet in the Human World, cause we have Free Choice/Will to chose how to experience this perfect place and Universe, via Unconsciousness or Consciousness??

When I created the topic about mahasamadhi or ultimate mukti I was not talking about disappearing as being destroyed, but as a losing the anchor to a limited form. Which, in a way, it is being destroyed, because all we know as egos is limited forms and anchors. But anyways, ultimate goal is complete bliss, which means not taking more limited forms. For sure, I´m not there yet at all. There is not stability still, There is a lot of distractions and going back and forth. You could say Im prolonging the inevitable, but is also true as an ego I don´t have a choice or control in the timings. nothingness seems negative and 'small', thats why maybe seems contradictory to 'everythingness'. My main point is that Reality is real, is awareness and is alive. And that finite reality or identification with form is a delusion.

There is one point that makes the difference in spiritual work, and that is to open yourself. this is the key. In you is reality, the source of existence. It is not love, bliss, or whatever, it is you, so, if you fit in with yourself, the dissonance of anxiety that accompanies you every second disappears. There is only one path, the one that leads to yourself, and there is only one way to find yourself, opening the barriers that close you. It's like a game, you have to be serious to play it, if not you don't do anything

That about everything is love....well, could bullshit in my opinion in most of cases. Let's see, you can reach an opening of yourself that makes being you a pleasure, constantly feeling the flow of existence and seeing that you are floating in the living infinity that vibrates around you and you are that. to have a constant feeling of openness, life, bliss. But of course, if they tell you that you have two cancers and you're also going to go blind, and you're also going to go to a prison in the Congo, then maybe all that love stuff doesn't seem so clear anymore. But I guess that it depends of your level of openess to the absolute. The absolute is absolute joy, absolute creative power, absolute life. If you are totally open to it, anything could be ok We are lost in the abyss, people doesn't realize, you realize it, that why you are searching. We can open ourself , feel the totality and remove the circumstancial, be in the absolute. There is the only possible choice, anything else is madness . Life is going to test us, this is not kindergarten , nothing is guaranteed

@Hojo how can I have an ego death experience without drugs? From what I’ve learned ego death means merging with infinite love but that’s a fleeting experience. I believe the main reason I got blacked out is because my ego was getting in the way of kundalini so much. I wasn’t ready. I wasn’t actually resisting though, I was “in the ride” and it has shown me infinity of God’s mind. I mainly saw the darker side of consciousness, but I also merged with love & bliss momentarily. Here’s my first encounter with insanity. I can’t even get into the other ones, there’s actually a storyline to them that won’t make sense to anyone else besides me.

Love is an actual experience, not a concept @Someone hereif you are able to feel love while eating a dogs shit. Is not about what is or what is not Love. Is wether you feel love, Bliss, just by existing. Just by Breathing, just by being. Is wether the mere process of you being here becomes a Blissful experience, thats all that matters Thats all that matters. Then you Will use your Mind consciously to choose whether you should eat a dog shit or a Donut. Dont mix apples with oranges. 🙏

OK. In my experience there is no such thing . What is known as "unconditional love" in spiritual community is not bliss or positive emotions..it's an overarching unity that encompasses the whole spectrum of all emotions. So pain..misery..disease..hunger ..filth ..happiness..orgasms..dog shit ..etc ..are all unconditional love. In Leo's interview with Curt from theories of everything.. Curt has asked Leo if love is not romantic love but rather an all encompassing substratum that includes everything that exists..then why calling it "love" and not "bugaboo "? And Leo's response didn't convince me . Since the word "love" has emotional connotation then why insisting on calling it love if its not romantic love ? Then why did you say each atom in the universe is made of love if you're not always in love?

No, I mean the ingredientes table of the universe is made out of love! Or Bliss, even better

If you make a radical post like this, expect to get radical answers. It seems as if you are connecting death with awakening, which is a big trap. You dying is not you becoming one with God. You talk about an idea of becoming one with God, a wish that you want to be realized, a certain state where you think suffering will end. Awakening is not an idea, nor a 'future hope for bliss and unconditional happiness'. Awakening is an extremely slow process of deconstructing yourself. Psychedelics should be used as an extra tool to help guide your path. For example, if you want to get better at socialising, you can take a shortcut by snorting a line of amphetamines... you'll be the most social person in the room. But then you have to come down and end up with your real self. OR you can realize that there are no shortcuts that lasts, and start working on your social skills through dedicated practice. I'm sorry to hear that you are suicidal. I've also been. I was clinically dead for a few minutes, after an OD of benzos, hand sanitizer and cocaine. I also wanted to die because I thought that everything is meaningless, and so I might as well just take the shortcut of dying and become one with God right? The disconnect, the gap, is way too big. Ground yourself in actuality. Not any idea.

You're clearly not spiritually mature enough to take any psychedelic. A psychedelic is anything but a quick fix. Ground yourself in current, material reality. Your wish to 'die and become God' is ridiculous. I'm not saying this to put you down. I've been there and having premature insights and awakenings is the opposite of infinite bliss

The path is narrow, as sharp as the razor's edge, and perilous (dangerous) in the extreme. The idea 'I am God, I am Love'—ever pure and free, having no taint (stain) of worldly desire—is a great concept. If you can choose this trend of thought and follow it vigorously (with effort and dedication), it may help you to rend (tear apart) the veil of maya (illusion), the One concealing itself and appearing as the many, provided Reality wills it. But to live a life of pure detachment (freedom from attachment) from all needs of the body, from all desires and longings of the mind, all your actions and thoughts need to be directed towards Infinity. Always keep alive the sense of discrimination (ability to judge wisely). Reflect thus: 'I feel some joy here, but is it of the abiding (lasting) type called Atmananda (the bliss of the Self)?' There must be keen (sharp and focused) discrimination between that which is fleeting (temporary) and that which is abiding (permanent) forever. Think always about the precept (teaching) that the Guru has given you: 'I am God.' While moving about, working, or resting, always seek refuge (protection and comfort) in That. You must read about matters which will develop both introspection (self-reflection) and insight (deep understanding) into the realities of life; constantly seize opportunities conducive (favorable) to that end. In all your thoughts and outward actions, your sole aim must be to stick to God-Reality steadily (firmly and consistently) at all times. ~ Sri Anandamayi Ma

It takes you nowhere. You don't find any answer. You are just temporarily distracted from the real world. It's peace, not bliss. It's love that's unspeakable. It's empty. It's only suffering.

Sadhguru on the lost concepts of Heaven and how this is a disability to humanity, to think that there is another place better than this place.. The key is that Life is within You, and it is outside of You but first You have to discover that You are Life itself, and when You realize this then Bliss is natural for You, and via that "What about Me" leaves You and then You can open up other Potentials for You to explore, that is Enlightenment comes into play in Your Life..

bruh... He has not transformed but he does not want to accept it. He just thinks Life is about feeling God or Infinite for some hours and then dreaming again the rest of the time in ego consciousness. Ime there is a higher possibility. Stepping into a new territory and leaving your old town for ever. Where is the destination of that path? Unfortunately the destination that was in my case was when laid down the psychedelics and real path began. With psychs I see no other path than going and up and down endlessly. When you go up and down constantly are you going somewhere or are you going in circles? That´s the goal 😎 To ultimate disappear from experience. @cetus A wise man once said: Is easy to not get entangled with pain, misery, sadness. But is much more difficult to not get entangled with pleasurable states: joy, ecstasy, etc... Even samadhi ultimately will be another attachment. Attachment to ecstasy or Bliss. Even that is not IT

I like this story it’s a good enough story for me to adopt and believe. I love the irony in that suffering does not lead to death. It’s designed that even through suffering you wanna fight in the opposite direction of death. It’s so twisted. Your purpose is part of the masterpiece that keeps me in the opposite direction of bliss. I’m sitting at the edge of a cliff looking out into a sea of Bliss and yet I don’t have the awareness to jump in. I’m profoundly unaware. lol

@Ayham Kriya Yoga truly works if you practice it daily. It requires a great deal of discipline, but the results are absolutely worth it. I received teachings from the Yogananda lineage; my teacher’s guru was Roy Eugene Davis (a direct disciple of Yogananda) . My teacher name is Chris Sartain. I’ve been practicing Kriya Yoga every day, without missing a single session, since October 1st of this year. The power of Kriya Yoga lies in its transformative effects on the brain. It enhances the functionality of the frontal lobes, improving focus, reducing stress, and quieting the “monkey mind.” It also sharpens your IQ, discernment, and intuition—some of the most tangible physical benefits of the practice. On an energetic level, Kriya Yoga fosters a subtle sense of bliss. Over time, it cultivates a more positive state of mind, reducing negative thoughts and bringing a sense of inner peace. Unlike psychedelics, which can create intense but fleeting experiences, Kriya Yoga is stable and cumulative—each day’s practice builds upon the last. This is because Kriya systematically dissolves the energetic blockages you’ve accumulated throughout your life. While psychedelics can be transformative, they often overstimulate the nervous system. Kriya Yoga, on the other hand, strengthens and harmonizes it, promoting long-term health and balance. With consistent practice, it’s even possible to develop siddhis (spiritual powers)—I’ve already experienced one myself. Advanced practitioners can also produce soma, a blissful nectar generated by the brain. Another hallmark of advanced yogis is the awakening of the sushumna nadi, the central energy channel. This awakening makes accessing mystical experiences easier and more natural as time goes on. The only significant challenge of Kriya Yoga is the necessity of daily practice to reap its benefits. However, once you start experiencing the profound bliss and transformation it brings, maintaining the discipline becomes second nature. Waking up early, even at 5:30 a.m., feels effortless because you don’t want to miss out on the rewards of the practice. That said, you don’t have to wake up at 5:30 a.m. to practice Kriya Yoga. The key is finding a consistent time that works for you. If you’re doing an extensive Kriya routine, it may take some time, so you’ll need to adjust your daily schedule or make lifestyle changes to prioritize it. Lahiri Mahasaya taught that for the average person, achieving enlightenment is an incredibly slow process that takes millions of incarnation'S. However, Kriya Yoga provides a way to transcend this lengthy process. With dedicated practice, it’s possible to achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime or, at the most, within a few lifetimes for those who progress more slowly. Yogananda encouraged his disciples with the hopeful reminder: “Keep at it! You’re almost there.” If I have one regret about Kriya Yoga, it’s that I didn’t take it seriously sooner. It has been one of the most transformative decisions of my life.

It should be clear what the result is of taking psychedelics too seriously, Leo is an example of that... I will give him credit that he has a very very strong desire to know Truth and Reality, and has put great effort into that path that he has chosen for himself, I have lots of Respect for him in that endeavour, but its gotten him where he is today, suffering health problems and such, not sure if his use of psychedelics lead to this or not, but now it seems he is stuck reliving previous experiences and going via that to come to conclusions about Reality.. Yoga is can be a fast way or slow way, slow way is safe and secure in that its a progression, you go the path of Peace and Bliss, then Your more naturally open to higher Realizations of Reality and its safe, Your Stable and Grounded, the other ways like psychedelics is like giving a homeless man $1 Billion to spend, he will go crazy with it and is not prepared for it, so that is dangerous, unless Your sick of this sort of life and want to leave it...

@LordFall Corruption is simply, deviation from Truth. Yogis attaining bliss (wherever), will have effects on the humanity, whether you like it or not. Every single thing, have an effect. And I'd rather not spoil it for you. And it's not "gurus blissing out in a cave". ---- Truth is not what you see, out there in the world. Truth is --- It's not that ideas "cannot" have an effect, it's that ideas which doesn't effect humanity yet. Those are bathed in vision, not falsehood. You need to think long term, thousands of Centuries years into the future.

@DreamScape thank you for your concerns. I stopped my spiritual practice due to kundalini being so unpredictable but the need for discovering more about spirituality is still here @Hojo I don’t think I understand. Do you think I am making this up? This is an actual thing that I experienced first hand and due to the nature of the incident it’s not possible to describe it with words so you can fully understand how profound it was. Of course this happened inside the dream we called life. In a sense, of course I (God) made this up, just like everything else. Infinity goes in all directions, including sanity and insanity within it, I experienced both but my awakening was not total because the Godhead used insanity to shatter my ego and due to that I was terrified. The thing that happened to me was “when you become so open minded, you become seeing demons” type of thing. I don’t remember the actual quote. @Inliytened1 thanks for your comment. How can I become awake, especially on Love, without putting too much pressure on my ego and drive it insane? I think the things I experienced was too much for it and that’s why I got blackout & hospitalized after some time. I’ve experienced divine bliss, I am working on loving insanity as well because it’s a part of who I am (God). I also had glimpses of Love inside the periods of insanity.

You do not want to realize the collapse of self and other. It is horrifying. Because you will realize that you are completely alone and that is a radical recontextualization of everything you have ever known. You will spend the rest of your life as an ego forgetting about awakening. And desperately wanting other to be real, and so it is On the flip side there is massive bliss and tears and love and Divinity. But ego death is a part of it and it cannot be helped. Ego death and the realization that you are God is a double edged blade.

I hope it was a sesame bagel with cream cheese? Anyways as @Hojo said as this is your dream the kundalini and the awakening is just evidence of this. But these spiritual Truths are a good thing. They are a blessing. So don't look at them as anything bad. The dream is a wonderful expression of you, God. Of course you havent had a complete awakening yet so don't take what I say on faith. You have bagels. Still you had significant realizations that should give you faith. Did you feel the Divine Bliss of God during your awakenings? That bagel is a very beautiful thing and you will never look at it the same again. You'll never look at anything the same. A sunset. A coke can. A bagel. A squirrel. An owl. A tree. A sidewalk. Your mother. Your father. All of it - you're seeing all of it as completely divine now and you're correct - it is God. So the love will come. It is all a manifestation of God and Consciousness. And Mind. It is absolutely glorious and you should bask in it.