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I think most who are familiar with the idea of enlightenment expect it to be rare. That’s why people spend decades with spiritual pursuit, they hold it like a difficult goal. It can be seen as a trap, but on the other hand, if you’re a human in the human psychological realm, and you have enlightenment as a goal, isn’t it the most wise thing to pursue it in different means, even if it absolutely might not be possible? I mean we can feel for ourselves how rigid this “self structure” is, so it’s reasonable to assume it requires something strong to break down, like a consistent practice. Especially if we end up experiencing changes, it can confirm to us it is a good path to take. If we are honest to ourselves, we recognize if we’re not enlightened, so while we remain in this relative realm it makes sense to chose to do things that we think can attack it directly. What is even rarer is people who get enlightened , or at least get enlightenment experiences, without any practice at all, so an even bigger trap might be just sitting around waiting for it to happen. Because the human psychology is gonna hold something as a distinct thing no matter what, it can’t comprehend absolute truth, so might as well try to get as close to it as we can through concepts and a framework to work from. Basically at the end of the day we’re in this game of life, so might as we’ll play it wisely before we’re able to be free from it. We can’t deny that our psychology seems to work a certain way; and anything that has a way of working should have a way of working to undo it. Like how the sun rises every morning, it’s a certain mechanism, even if absolutely there’s no distinct sun. There’s also the possibility of doing things loosely, so pursuing enlightenment while also simultaneously recognizing it’s not REALLY possible, even if it’s a intellectual realization at first, that might help in further undoing this human structure that separates things into objects.

It should first and foremost be done from your own judgment

@No1Here2c Id say I agree with what you said. One could assess for oneself if one sees the possibility of going down a purely independent path, or if assistance through drugs and spiritual teachers could help. I think it’s wise to do both

It sounds great but you know why I’m hesitant

That’s great you’re able to focus on what you prioritize the most (consciousnesss)!

Wow retired at such young age! That’s cool. How though? If you don’t mind Yea drastic changes in our consciousness can feel scary. But as long as we somehow end up finding a way of stabilizing we should be fine

I think the sedative effect is what I’ve noticed primarily; but I don’t feel much need for it anymore in same way As long as you’re able to feel decent without meds you don’t need them

Thanks. Yes I see the value in meds and I think they’ve helped to calm down neurosis a bit. But then if you do natural inner work then ideally I want to try to taper down the meds as I don’t want them if I really don’t need them. Yes and the tapering down is done with approval from doctor and gradually. I will be meeting doctor in 6 months but I’ve been wanting to call them prior to suggest tapering down. I think I’ll call them tomorrow Yes healthy habits is something I try too. Like for example one evening I drank two cups of coffe and I felt a bit anxious that evening (more than usual) so if I’m not fooling myself: substances affect us in good and bad ways. So I wanna eat healthy and I’m open to natural supplements

Yes I think it’s best when meds are not relied on but used in conjunction with natural inner work. Then when you feel okay enough naturally the possibility of tapering off the meds is reasonable to consider

Cool thanks. I’ve been contemplating calling the doctors and asking if I can taper it down, and instead of taking the meds every day I’ll have them as a kind of “when needed” meds like some people do. But I just have this feeling the doctors are gonna say “you need to give it more time first” “you shouldn’t stop meds now that you feel better” (but I feel better mostly because of natural change)

I would taper them down any day but you need doctors approval first.

From my experience, the meds have only provided a kind of sedative effect to a certain degree. Which can be nice but I’ve improved my stress management and lowered my stress naturally so I don’t feel I need them anymore. So I’m like you in that regard I wanna be natural , but I forgot how it feels to be natural

You provided me with a laugh at least 🤣 You don’t take any meds at all?

I’ve been on these two meds for over a year now. 5 mg olanzipine and 20 mg Prozac every day. Does anyone have something interesting to say or experiences to share about them? There are certain things in my current “personality” that I can’t tell for sure if it’s a side effect of the meds or how I am naturally, currently in my life.

This might be factor to you missing out. Because some girls might not be the ones to take initiative (even if you know each other). Or they just aren’t interested ~as of yet~ but would be open/ they could see your potential if you initiated something. Doesn’t have to be explicit , could be just some flirting and teasing. You could try it and if you notice it’s an exclusively, very clearly, “friendly” response from her then you could tone it down. Also trying to build a deeper connection, even if it’s just in friendly manner to begin with. Some friendships are more shallow then others, so by bringing the friendship deeper/stronger it could be stepping stone to something romantic. And how to do that id say it’s about getting in touch with your unique authenticity, because you’re more interesting when you’re yourself (if you’ve developed yourself to some degree). Also “owning” your interest in her (could be expressed platonically to begin with), so she can feel you like her and vibe with her deeper and that she isn’t just another shallow friend that you talk about university to. Just some thoughts. I’m not the most social myself so it’s hard for me too