No modern day person has a roadmap to Nirvana or Bliss that's beyond materialism.

[Andrewww]

I see so much oneness/nonduality talk.

 

An yet how many of these people if any can say they're okay with giving up attachments to many of their objects and aren't as tied to the 5 senses.

 

Many religious founders spoke of a divine ecstasy/love rapture that is a fruit of spiritual development. An yet where is it and who talks about it? Curious what you all have found. Thanks :).

[Yimpa]

GOD creates beauty!

You create BS 

[seriousman24]

Attaching yourself to as much as possible instead and in an infinite way will also "do it", the point is infinity not which infinity, one that fits you, maybe, am I roight Yimpa hhueehuehu.

[Michal__]

"modern day person" 

Classic case of the mentality that causes manchildren to believe in "ascended masters" etc.

If you want to see the end of where classical non duality can take you, check out Frank Yang.

If you want the highest consciousness possible then take psychedelics and contemplate.

Or ideally mix every spiritual practice and find you like in a way that makes sense.

Edited July 3, 2023 by Michal__

[Moksha]

On 7/2/2023 at 8:53 PM, Andrewww said:

I see so much oneness/nonduality talk.

An yet how many of these people if any can say they're okay with giving up attachments to many of their objects and aren't as tied to the 5 senses.

Talk is cheap, integration is not. People place a stale piece of bread on the altar, and demand a miracle.

[Ajax]

@Andrewww

What? What? In the butt...

So uh... Do you... have...a..point?

[OldManCorcoran]

People enjoy being within this world and everything that goes with it. People are not really evolved to function outside of it... Fact is people like luxuries and hedonism and whatever else.

[Hojo]

Because modern man is traumatized. Earth is in the dark night of the soul

Edited July 5, 2023 by Hojo

[Arthogaan]

Don't you think that those that are totally free and living their spiritual life with little posessions could be a little bit harder to spot?

Most of them won't go do youtube. Most of them will be sitting peacefully in their small garden.

[Yimpa]

@Arthogaan You can have little to no possession and still be very attached. 

[Arthogaan]

52 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

@Arthogaan You can have little to no possession and still be very attached. 

I agree. I don't see how that contradicts my post 

[Thought Art]

Just plug it

[Yimpa]

16 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Just plug it

 

 

[SeaMonster]

Not to sound repetitive, but one must understand the difference between enjoyment and attachment.

Enjoyment = mastery

Attachment = slavery

Sense objects aren't bad in and of themselves.  It's the attachment (i.e. being a slave to them) that is the problem.

Once the attachment is gone, one can still enjoy.

Edited July 6, 2023 by SeaMonster

[Yimpa]

@SeaMonster To take it a step further: realize that there was nothing to get attached to to begin with. 

It’s important to distinguish between:

• attachment being seen clearly for what it is 
• avoiding, rejecting, or judging attachment out of fear

Finally, enjoyment has conditions, but Love is beyond the limitation of conditioning.