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@Inliytened1 Maybe that is the main issue here. This forum is created by one human egoic mind - brilliant mind, to be honest - for others' egoic minds for typical egoic mind activity - under cover of the quest for the ultimate truth - compare itself, judge others, appropriate concepts and ideas about so-called enlightenment or awakening. But I think it's not bad at all. This forum is, by far, the best mirror that reflects our ideological, philosophical, and emotional attachments about how reality should look like, what it should be, and how God should fit into our conceptual set. It also mirrors our most profound existential questions. When we peel off this egoic layer, or at least we are aware of it, what lies underneath has a tremendous cognitive value. When Einstein told Bohr that God did not play dice, Bohr consciously replied to him: do not tell God what to play. Here we can clash our different concepts about our experiences, which can reach the most distant alien realms that is hard for human to imagine. Nobody is less or more enlightened, or I don't consider myself or anybody here to judge this stuff - on what basis? From my experience, I know that surrendering one's ego is not an easy and short process. It keeps fighting back, you all know that. I would say it takes many lifetimes, you disagree with the idea of reincarnation, and here we go - ego is safe, and that is its purpose, isn't it?

@Leo Gura Dude... can you please consider being pragmatic and tactical. Before making a full course on this new thing that you just discovered 4 days ago and putting all of the other courses on hold, why not commit to getting a better grip on this new thing first and finishing the less extremely advanced courses? I have no idea if you are full of shit or not tbh... regardless, if you want to be efficient in working on expanding the consciousness of humanity, you should consider first making courses on things that you have more of a grip on and more experience/thought in. Also, you need to be more conscious of where your audience is at. Then 5 years from now, you can drop an alien infinity tantra course or whatever

IF he actually reached this Alien Infinity his reaction would be very understandable. I don’t really care anyways. I reached so few awakenings that I couldnt build much of an ego around it so there is little for me to protect. ?

Leo wrote: Some quotes that might be relevant to put some of Leo's new sayings into context: Rudolf Otto - The idea of the holy Bernadette Roberts on "alien" oneness A spiritual practitioner's report: Aurobindo talks about Atma-shakti in his "Life Divine"

Let me try to describe what I mean instead of using the word "Alien". My consciousness went so deep, that I had no more fear. I was in pure Love. But as I mentioned before, it was deeper than Love. Reality was seen to be a miracle and not a given. No explanation from a human even myself was to justify it, it is too big to describe. The word "Alien" for me came, when I realized that Infinity goes in all directions and dimensions, it is a bit hard to explain but my consciousness also felt Universal and cosmic and I just realized how deep this Infinite Intelligence goes, it is operating everywhere and I am It as are you.

I said this already, but I feel like most people would benefit more from having some no-self or non-dual experiences before they start going into all the higher level stuff Leo is talking about. If you haven't even had no-self experiences or understand non-duality, how are you hoping to properly experience something like god consciousness or alien love or whatever without deluding yourself? Leo did a ton of basic spirituality before reaching the levels he is talking about now. Even if they are true, almost everyone hasn't gone through the basic stages first.

I got awake specially from "Alien". For me its still Infinite Love and Infinite Intelligence, but its so much deeper that the only possibility of explanation of reality is Alien Infinity. I don't know what Leo's mean by that, other than God being a Alien Hypermind etc. But what I mean is that it goes deeper than what I thought it was, and what I mean exactly with the word "Alien" is that my consciousness went super high, to a cosmic and universal level. As I said I had glimpses before Leo even mentioned the word Alien. I had states of God Consciousness where the exact word Alien came to me, to describe the nature of who I am. So don't be a smart ass

What's next? An infinity of Alien Gods? Then what?

Its interesting how someone can get to high level of conciousness and yet cant have their own independence of thought ? Im saying it because, you used leos language "alien" and now you are saying you awoken to that thing its silly, you cant know what is it and that is just a word he used to desribe it...

@Inliytened1 Leo is now crazy for saying he is an Alien God? And not crazy for saying he is God like a million times? Your logic is strange.

My intuition is being set OFF like crazy. Something about Leo and this Alien Infinity.

I doubt Leo has lost it. There are people out there who speak of Alien consciousness. I've had experiences with it although not in nearly as much detail. I personally think Leo is just exceptionally talented and is able to reach into some exceptional states. I had this insight into Leo a while ago during a mystical experience, kinda weird but whatever. He's just a talented dude. He knows what he's doing.

Yeah, this Alien stuff gives me mad bullshit vibes. Going to take a break from forum.

My response to this alien nonsense: https://youtu.be/F59p73MCDzU?t=107

Psilocybin is also very alien, Salvia too, I mean there are plenty of alien directions to go you just got to try the tools, I'm pretty sure you will not find it is mundane or ordinary if you take a clear look, Everything is supernatural with no opposite except lower orders of radicalness and alienness, Like people who tune out the more radical aspects of reality like God Love and Infinite Consciousness, But if you really care about this you will take a clear look regardless of what the conclusion will be, Don't just play the detached skeptic actually learn certain things like astral projection and moving into infinite consciousness, You may see the alien you might not it depends on your state of consciousness, If your omniscient or extremely intuitive you will find out before your infinite eternitys up or not whether aliens have ever been here, We would totally know it if we died into infinite consciousness and interconnectedness, Everything is always mental so all you have to do is just imagine just like you imagine people right now in a subconscious way, Imagine something else if you can, Imagine one bit of human biology just slightly off, The problem is that humans are not intelligent to totally recreate biology into something new altogether, Unless they have always had control of how they have been imagining reality then they have always been creating themselves as god in their own universe

@Razard86 It's hard for your colleague to be surprised. Most of you, if not all of you on this formula, are very intelligent people, often experienced by life as well. But what I say now will not be pleasant, nor will it be about spiritual growth. In many, many statements on this forum, there are statements, statements so absurd, illogical, and inconsistent that if God were to imagine this universe - it would blow itself up at once - due to the lack of internal consistency and logic. I am not saying that there are no universes that operate on some alien logic (perhaps n-dimensional space manifests in n-ways) or that exist based on no logic (as a little human, it is hard to imagine it yourself). Nevertheless, this manifestation in which you experience being human is marked by logic and consistency. We have so far discovered 42 physical constants. I'm not talking about the theories we build from them. They evolve. But physical constants don't evolve. If any of them evolved over time so that their value changed to 33 decimal places, that familiar manifestation of the universe collapses into a cu**. Change the charge of the electron, the proton's mass, or the matter's density. These physical constants enable any evolution of this known universe, including the evolution of life as we know it. And there are absurd statements here that mathematics is imagination. I can counter the claim that such a statement is rubbish taken out of a hat. Experiencing God and understanding God are two separate things. You can talk about the Absolute - you can try to conceptualize it linguistically for the purpose of communication - if you have made a minimal effort to reflect on what the Infinity is. Most of you here talk about Infinity with absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Because it is not easy to talk about Infinite using finite language. There is only one, a universal language that is truly infinite. And it's as logical as young can imagine. And this is mathematics. Much of the speech here is marked by emotional exaltation, which often ends the entire debate. Who is not as high, is out. In this way, a circle of mutual adoration of people inspired by the vision of being God, Super Alien God, or whatever you come up with is created. Like you don't realize that Infinity has infinite space for every experience, every manifestation. And it will never stop. You will never HAVE a full God realization because such a thing does not exist. There will be always something more to explore. But this is not the case in the first place I suppose. For most people here, at least. Sat Nam

Alien Psychology.

I am so super conscious that I have gone beyond "Alien Love" Consciousness, to Zenoch Love Consciousness. Oh,you haven't attained to Zenoch Love Consciousness? WAKE UP BRUHH!

Alien Love....

I took a look and you're in Seattle, nice, I used to live there a year ago. Hello fellow WA resident! *wave* I was writing this to you, but also for the rest of his audience as well - a reminder for them to stick to their own journey and don't let people coopt it to such a degree that what Leo does for himself even matters. I say this because this will prevent this place from becoming a cult. Cults can't form if people think for themselves and are reminded that this is the work. Just go within. It could be mental illness/schizophrenia. I have bipolar 1 myself. Many of the insights can be similar to awakening, but they often come with an almost occult-like flavour. I think the schizophrenic often opens up not just enlightenment, but what goes on underneath the psyche and at times reality itself. I've spoken to a few of them during hospital stays and their awakenings lend to an almost shamanic perspective that maybe modern society doesn't have the full scope to be able to help them integrate. I have a good eye for what is spiritual and what is delusion, but there just isn't enough that Leo has given me to be able to make an educated guess with his work. I totally understand what you're saying, though, I don't disagree, and these odd awakenings mixed with some of the Instagram posts, some strange posts here lead me to believe that he is going through something, perhaps a mixture of both. It's hard to know. I think someone like him, if he were sick, would try to save face - so we might not know until it hits the fan. I try to keep both perspectives in mind - that something could be wrong and my gut leads me to believe that this could very well be true, and the other is that he is having awakenings leading towards something but that he has not integrated them yet. The thing with Leo is that he does all of this publicly and people follow him, and so I agree and think he needs to take care and work on grounding himself first before sharing these things. Me personally though, I am not interested in enlightenment and don't know much about it so I can't really comment on that. If it happens to me as a side affect of my own work, great, but as far as I know it is one of those things that the moment you start seeking it, it eludes you - so it makes sense to me to keep it as a side-thing that could happen. I tend to do more along the lines of shamanic/occult/magick/death energies for my practice. I think Leo needs to start reading/watching books/material by other "alien/soul" channelers who have very clear descriptions on what he talks about to help guide him, some shamanic perspectives as once you get into these realms it's good to have something to fall back on so you know what to name your experiences, and to be a bit more humble about it.

@Leo Gura so if I pursued this Alien Consciousness would I have to reach your first idea of 'God realization', or is it not on the same path? Are your prior videos still valuable for reaching this Alien consciousness?

Is there any relation between this concept of alien consciousness and what other people have historically referred to as aliens? Specifically I'm thinking of people who've claimed to channel aliens like Seth, Bashar, Galactic Federation of Light, etc. I think there was some book Tom DeLonge recommended with techniques for making UFOs appear at will, etc. Obviously one is a direct experience and one is indirect. It's like the difference between observing or communicating with a shark, and actually becoming a shark. But are we at least talking about the same animal? If not, alien seems like a strange label for me too. More finite and restricted than God. I feel like God, or anything non-human has a sort of alien-ness to it by default. Alien gives the impression we're talking about something physical and material to most people, I'd imagine. I'll buy it lol. I agree it sounds almost like an April Fools joke but I'm open-minded enough to listen and try the exercises and see for myself. I'm sure the first time you guys heard about enlightenment or that you are literally God you thought it was absolutely bananas too. I'm open to the possibility that Leo is now not just hundreds of years ahead of his time, but thousands. Or maybe this was the 10% bullshit he told us he'd be sprinkling into his lessons going forward . Only way to find it out is to become an alien or fail trying.

What distinguishes Alien Infinity from “traditional” infinity? Did your awakening specifically include the word “Alien”, or are you pulling that word from Leo’s lexicon?

Oh trust me, I haven't been "following" him for quite some time. I am following my own path and my own heart. On another note, this whole "alien" descriptor is EXACTLY how McGilchrist describes the experience of schizophrenics. That is one of the defining characteristics of it. From the standpoint of nonduality, schizophrenia is actually quite interesting. Much of it actually resembles enlightenment, but at the same time the subjects are terrified and anxious and ungrounded. To me, it seems that the sense of self exists in both halves of the brain, with the left being more gross and conceptual and the right being much more subtle (time, space, context, etc.). Schizophrenics essentially LOSE the subtle sense of self while retaining the gross sense (because it is a disorder of extreme left-brain dominance); this results in a half-enlightened terror state for most. Leo isn't so terrified because of his experience with spirituality, but nonetheless he seems to be going deeper and deeper into this fantasy realm of pure abstract conceptualization, devoid of embodied presence and relationship, devoid of aliveness and inseperable connection to the source experiences which ground and inform abstraction to begin with... Alien. Genuine enlightenment typically involves unraveling the gross sense of self first (via inquiry, vipassana, etc), and THEN as insight clarifies, concentration deepens, and equanimity is attained, gradually unraveling the extremely subtle sense of self (right hemisphere identity, essentially). When both are complete, Reality simply shines as itself. So, healthy progression arrives at Thusness in a way that is "big to small", grounded, and supportive of psychological health.

@Leo Gura please help me understand if the following analogy somehow explain alien consciousness: Let s say we have a vivid dream at night, and in that dream we are living in an imaginary town with people passing by and everything, like non player characters. That dream world is something we created in the astral realm and it s complete by any aspect a world can have, following the basic rules of our world. A character in that dream has his own consciousness and he may expand it with Psychedelics as we do. Is there a way for that dream character to awake so much that not only understands that he is in a dream but to connect to the consciousness of the person having the dream? And if yes, is this what alien consciousness is? Thanx