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  1. Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread
    Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread
    Hey, ya'll, I need your help!
    I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Yellow thinking.
    This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Yellow. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics.
    So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Yellow thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc.
    We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Yellow. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage.
    Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples.
    Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices.
    This can turn into a really cool list.
    Stage Yellow Values:
    Nuance & complexity Openmindedness Perspective Novel concepts & POVs Generating fresh insights Understanding Systems thinking Nonlinear dynamics Sustainability, long time frames Going meta Big picture vs technical analysis Holistic analysis Synthesis Connecting the dots Penetrating to the core of an issue Identifying & solving root problems A multi-disciplinary approach Mixing hard & soft sciences Creativity, outside-the-box solutions Ecology Responsible ways of being Studying models Spiral Dynamics Natural hierarchies Education, knowledge, research, reading Reading lots of diverse books Clean content, concentrated information Life-long learning Expertise, competence, experience Context, learning from history Developing skills to become an instrument for the greater whole Independent thinking Neutrality: Being objective/impartial Designing solutions for the entire Spiral Meeting people where they are at Building bridges Social engineering Ecological designs Reducing the suffering of living systems Pulling ideas from many sources Combining different ideas, models, theories Left-brained Vision & purpose, being a visionary Requisite variety, mental flexibility Self-actualization Paradox Uncertainty Responsibility, independence, autonomy Being a lone-wolf Stage Yellow Examples:
    Abraham Maslow, Eben Pagan, Fritjof Capra, Carl Sagan, quantum mechanics, fathers of quantum mechanics, David Bohm, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrodinger, Arthur Eddington, Richard Feynman, Freeman Dyson, John Archibald Wheeler, Joseph Campbell, Erich Fromm, Clare Graves, Don Beck, Spiral Dynamics, Ilya Prigogine, chaos theory, cybernetics, biomimetics, NLP, Alfred Korzybski, the leading edge of academia, futurists, StarTrek humans & Vulcans, Prime Directive, sustainable living, ecology, eco cities, conflict resolution, Wikipedia, Buckminster Fuller

  2. Looking for good books on meditation
    Looking for good books on meditation
    Meditation books:
    The Mind Illuminated by Upasaka Culadasa Seeing That Frees by Rob Burbea Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha by Daniel Ingram Our Pristine Mind by Orgyen Chowang Rinpoche Right Concentration by Leigh Brasington
    Kriya Yoga Books:
    Kriya secrets revealed by J.C Stevens Kriya Yoga Exposed by SantataGamana 

  3. My theory on why Leo is absent
    My theory on why Leo is absent
    blog post from april 2023:
    "The evolution and maturation of my work is not going to be a straight upward line from my audience's POV. Sometimes the way I act or things I say will seem like regression. That's because serious stuff is being worked out internally. I care about the internal much more than the external. Repressed, emotional stuff is getting worked out. I am going through a process of becoming radically independent, authentic, and truthful — which requires shedding old layers of thought, belief, and habit. I'm just letting you know so you don't freak out from the turbulence. It just so happens that the destination we're flying to has lots of choppy clouds and there will be turbulence. Don't worry, I got a solid handle on it, but there may be more turbulence over the next year or two as I metamorphosize and settle into my final form. Everything up to this point was just my cocoon stage.
    As I've said in my videos, if you want to build high you must lay your foundation deep. So that's what I've been doing. At times it may look selfish from your POV because I am focusing more on me than on serving you. But that is so that I can serve mankind a much more profound way in the future. Don't take it too personally."

  4. Paradox Mega-Thread?
    Paradox Mega-Thread?
    By not making a choice, you've made a choice.

  5. Andrew Huberman As A Healthy Masculine Role Model
    Andrew Huberman As A Healthy Masculine Role Model
    Great interview w/ Robert Greene
     
     

  6. How to overcome challenges ?
    How to overcome challenges ?
    @Rishabh R
    I asked ChatGPT. I’ve been studying this lately and can confirm is a decent list.
     
    Having a high Adversity Quotient (AQ) involves several principles that contribute to one's ability to navigate and thrive in the face of challenges. Some key principles include:
    1. **Resilience:** Developing resilience is essential. It involves bouncing back from setbacks, adapting to change, and persisting in the face of adversity.
    2. **Problem-Solving Skills:** Cultivating effective problem-solving skills helps in finding solutions and navigating through challenging situations.
    3. **Emotional Intelligence:** Understanding and managing emotions is crucial. Emotional intelligence helps in handling stress, maintaining composure, and making sound decisions during difficult times.
    4. **Adaptability:** Being flexible and adaptable enables individuals to adjust to new circumstances and changing environments more effectively.
    5. **Optimism and Positive Mindset:** Maintaining a positive outlook and optimism, even in difficult situations, can help in finding opportunities within challenges.
    6. **Resourcefulness:** Being resourceful involves utilizing available resources creatively and efficiently to address problems and overcome obstacles.
    7. **Mindfulness and Self-awareness:** Developing mindfulness and self-awareness helps in understanding personal reactions to adversity and making more conscious choices in response.
    8. **Continuous Learning:** Embracing a growth mindset and continuously seeking to learn and grow from experiences enhances one's ability to face adversity with newfound knowledge and skills.
    9. **Support Network:** Having a strong support network of friends, family, mentors, or colleagues can provide valuable assistance and encouragement during tough times.
    10. **Proactive Approach:** Taking a proactive approach to challenges involves anticipating potential difficulties and preparing oneself to handle them effectively.
    These principles collectively contribute to a high Adversity Quotient, enabling individuals to navigate challenges, grow from experiences, and emerge stronger and more resilient.

  7. Great quote from Zen master on the nature of reality
    Great quote from Zen master on the nature of reality
    “Know that a sudden comprehension comes when the mind has been purged of all the clutter of conceptual and discriminatory thought-activity.”

    “Discard all you have acquired as being no better than a bed spread for you when you were sick.”

    “In these days people only seek to stuff themselves with knowledge… All you can call them is people who suffer from indigestion… All the concepts you have formed in the past must be discarded and replaced by void.”

    “The Way is not something which can be studied. Study leads to retention of concepts and so the Way is entirely misunderstood… The first step is to refrain from knowledge-based concepts.”

    “The foolish reject what they see and not what they think; the wise reject what they think and not what they see.”

    “Here it is—right now. Start thinking about it and you miss it.”

    “People are afraid to empty their minds fearing that they will be engulfed by the void. What they don't realize is that their own mind is the void.”

    “Your true nature is something never lost to you even in moments of delusion, nor is it gained at the moment of Enlightenment.”

    "The enlightened ones are neither attached to nor detached from their senses and thoughts."

    "A perception, sudden as blinking, that subject and object are one, will lead to a deeply mysterious understanding; and by this understanding you will awaken to the truth." 

    "Words used to attract the dull of wit are not to be relied on."

    "Those who seek the truth by means of intellect and learning only get further and further away from it. Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone will you be on the right road to the Gate."

    "Our original Buddha-Nature is, in highest truth, devoid of any trace of objectivity. It is void, omnipresent, silent, pure; it is glorious and mysterious peaceful joy-and that is all. Enter deeply in it by awakening to it yourself. That which is before you is it, in all its fullness, utterly complete. There is naught besides. Even if you go through all the stages of a Bodhisattva's progress toward Buddhahood, one by one, when at last, in a single flash, you attain to full realization, you will only be realizing the Buddha-Nature that has been with you all the time; and by all the foregoing stages you will have added to it nothing at all. You will come to look upon those aeons of work and achievement as no better than unreal actions performed in a dream. That is why the Tathagata [the Buddha] said: I truly attained nothing from complete, unexcelled Enlightenment."

    “The real Buddha has no mouth and preaches no Dharma... real hearing requires no ears”

  8. Biggest error in Leo's metaphysical understanding
    Biggest error in Leo's metaphysical understanding
    I was just reading a review of one of Blavatsky's book "the land of the gods" and somebody left key takeaways in the comments. That I thought are relevant to this discussion. 
    "My takeaways:

    • Concentration strengthens the soul.
    • Before becoming spiritual, be natural.
    • With proper spiritual retreats, you would bring the greatest possible benefit to the world.
    • The Adepts say, “Give us people who desire nothing but the truth, and we will take care of their needs.”
    • The spirit gains strength when it finds nourishment in lower principles and is guided by wisdom to choose what it needs.
    • Let those who desire to develop spiritually attempt to think with their hearts, instead of continually studying with their brains.
    • Consistently aim to transcend animalistic tendencies, and you'll be among those who've thrown off their animal elements to live a spiritual existence.
    • Your will is strongest if you have no will of your own, but remain in all things obedient to the Law. In an unrelated out-of-body experience that happened in 2016, an intelligent voice spoke to a pilot named Jim Bruton, saying: “All the force of will you will ever need is found in the art of letting go.”
    • Many desire spiritual growth and immortality, but they feel trapped by external circumstances they're afraid to challenge. Instead of focusing on what truly matters, they spend their time and energy on meaningless pursuits. Countless lack the courage to break free from societal norms, even if they disagree with them, fearing social backlash. As a result, they forsake their spiritual potential for the fleeting trends of fashion."

  9. The most bizarre thing in nature: Human laziness
    The most bizarre thing in nature: Human laziness
    Remember that we only have to think about things like eating healthy or working out because of modern society. Modern society severely complicates things, mainly because our environment is no longer in alignment with our biological makeup: urban environments, office environments, sitting still all day, not being in the sun, fast food, social media, living alone or with only a small number of people. It's a miracle we are able to get out of bed at all.
    The people you see who are healthy and go to the gym are more conscientious and have higher IQs on average. They have better executive functioning and impulse control: they know how to organize their goals and stay on course. They're more able to firstly recognize what is healthy and unhealthy and also to navigate through the challenges of living in an unhealthy environment. Most people simply go by society's standards for determining how to act, so they will be unhealthy by default.
    In short, when you construct a society where health requires brains to maintain, many people will not be healthy.

  10. 3% obesity rate in Japan
    3% obesity rate in Japan
    And that right there is kind of the problem. 
    How would you know if what Dr. Fung is saying isn't, at least to some degree, complete nonsense? At some point, you have two possitibilites - you either spend hundreds of hours learning about scientific epistemiology, the current state of resarch and his particular claims about nutrition & physiology - or you kind of have to BELIEVE him. It's really easy to shape someones worldview with a MD and some flashy diagrams - even if it's based on no substance at all.
    Fung is a cholesterol/sat.fat-denialist and this makes me particularly fuming, because it's one of my main areas of research. 

  11. 3% obesity rate in Japan
    3% obesity rate in Japan
    Ectomorph vs mesomorph vs endomorph body types.

  12. Leo's Geography Challenge - Mega-Thread
    Leo's Geography Challenge - Mega-Thread
    documentary about handsome young men in the Dominican Republic seducing middle aged tourists women for their money. Quite comical and sad
     

  13. Huberman Podcast Critique
    Huberman Podcast Critique
    After studying from his podcast for a while, and cross-referencing self-improvement advice from multiple sources, I stopped watching his videos entirely.
    Some critiqued the studies he cites, and how those aren't really reliable. But I'm not competent enough to give an opinion on that, just know that cherry picking studies is a real thing. I also don't want to criticize his morals. He seems a real nice guy that wants to do good in the world.
    What I want to criticize is his advice. From my understanding, one of the big reasons he's gotten so popular is that he presented a bunch of quick fixes as the new secret solution to life's problems. The supplement, the shower, the routine, the nutrition timing, the measuring this and that.
    If you pay attention, you see how the vast majority of his advice can literally be applied in 10 minutes. And you're done. How convenient.
    The problem is that obviously (if you watched Leo you should know), this is far from the root of the problem. And the problem with that is that people, looking at a 2 hour episode, think that that's the full picture. And it obviously fails, as the mind and body not only is very complex, but discomfort and long hours of work is something that can pretty much never be escaped.
    While what he says may be true scientifically, he fails in making the priorities clear, if you really want to solve a problem. It's like a nutritionist talking 10 minutes about calorie balance (or omitting it completely) and 50 minutes about supplements. The supplements may be proven to be useful but they influence like 4% of the actual dieting results!
    For example, for sleep I feel like he doesn't give enough credit to how much psychology plays a role in insomnia. You can take all the sunlight you want, wear all of the blue light blockers, take all the magnesium and theanine, but if you're stressed as fuck, good luck sleeping. And guess what, there's no quick fix to not being stressed as fuck.
     
    I understand how the "quick fixes" will be much more marketable, but I want to warn you, Huberman shows you FAR from the big picture.
    I don't judge him nor blame him. Conflicts of interest happen all the time when delivering value. I just stopped watching him and I'm curious about your experience.
    Before defending him, ask yourself: Have you really fixed the problem thanks to his advice? I'm talking fixed not slightly improved. What fixed your shitty sleep really? What made you strong and resistant really? What made you a master in your craft really? It's likely a shit ton of discomfort and consistency, something that Huberman never mentions, or if he does, he doesn't stress it enough, even though that's the catalyst for 95% of the progress you will make.

  14. Huberman Podcast Critique
    Huberman Podcast Critique
    I think because most content is actually optimized for like clicks, engagement
    It's not fully geared for how can I have the best impact for the viewer 
     

  15. 🙆 Aggressive Hairloss since first C*vid 🙊
    🙆 Aggressive Hairloss since first C*vid 🙊
    This sounds like telogen effluvium (TE), a form of diffuse, non-scarring alopecia with a sudden onset, characterized by increased hair loss or thinning hair. It's not uncommon to see this after a viral infection and recent studies have shown that it's even more common after Covid-19. I have never seen someone getting covid 15+ times (?), but if this is true - then TE could be a very logical explanation for your symptoms. The good news is that your hair is not lost and will regrow after a couple of months.

    After that, androgenic alopecia (genetic hair loss) is another possible explanation. You have said that you have always had thin hair, which could be a sign of DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) fucking up your hair roots. Genetic hair loss can take many different forms, depending on the underlying genotype you have inherited. Some people rapidly lose their hair, others consistently thin out over a long period of time before actually losing ground. You have mentioned that you think you are good genetic wise. While looking at your families scalp is usually a good indicator, genetics can be much more complex than that. 

    I doubt it has anything to do with your lifestyle-habits.

    Anyway, this is just pure conjecture. 
    There are questions which just can not get answered over the internet. Go visit a dermatologist and do some basic blood-work (especially thyroid function). Then you know what's up for sure.

     

  16. Summarized.org (second dafts)
    Summarized.org (second dafts)
    How To Make A Girl Squirt - Give Your Girl An Explosive Orgasm
    https://youtu.be/7FmAHDECFsY?si=-ANlAJqh9oljW3eM
    Understanding 'Squirting': The squirting technique is more about mindset and emotions than finger technique. Leo claims it's a way of giving a woman an explosive orgasm where she ejaculates, varying from light to heavy, depending on the woman and the mood set. Suitability of Squirting Technique: This technique is not suitable for first-time sex or early sexual encounters; it requires a level of comfort, openness, and exploration between partners, and hence, it is recommended to try this with a girlfriend or a woman one has had sex multiple times with. Misconceptions about Squirting: Leo dispels the notion that only certain girls can squirt, stating most girls do not squirt naturally because they are not made to feel comfortable or they are not aware they can. He suggests most girls will squirt if the situation is set up properly and they are made to feel comfortable and open. Ideal Environment for Squirting: Creating a relaxed and romantic ambiance in a quiet, uninterrupted setting. Before the act, Leo suggests giving the woman a massage, which helps to relax her, and recommends avoiding touching private parts initially to create a build-up. Building Intimacy for Squirting: Intimacy should be built in the moment, such as looking deeply into her eyes and expressing love, if appropriate. This helps make the woman feel special, and it's more than just a quick sex session. Overcoming Negative Sexual Conditioning in Women: Women are often conditioned from a young age with negative beliefs about sex, which need to be broken down to make her feel comfortable and open. The key to helping a woman squirt is making her feel safe, secure, relaxed, and intimate with you. Building Up The Idea Of Squirting: Leo Gura explains that a crucial step is to communicate with the girl about squirting as something exciting and pleasing for both partners. He explains that this 'planting of the seed' removes any existing apprehension the girl might have with squirting, assuming it to be disgusting or something that would surprise or disappoint the partner. Taking The Lead: He further emphasizes that it is important to take responsibility and guide the girl through the process, rather than pressurizing her to meet expectations. By creating a dominant-submissive dynamic for the experience, Leo suggests it can become a fulfilling and adventurous exploration. Reassuring The Girl: The speaker highlights the significance of reassurance, stressing that the girl must be explicitly told that squirt is not pee, and thus she should not hold back during orgasm worried about urinating. Fingering Technique For Squirting: Leo Gura describes a specific fingering technique to stimulate the G-spot, which involves pressing and releasing against the upper wall of the vagina. Importance is given to starting slowly before advancing to more rapid motion and deeper penetration. He also reiterates that the girl should be extremely wet before attempting this, to avoid pain due to friction. Increasing Intensity and Making Her Squirt: In this portion of the video, Leo Gura explains how to increase intensity during sexual activity by following a pumping action with your hand. The strength and speed are gradually escalated as the woman gets closer to orgasm. Using your dominant hand is recommended due to the strength and endurance required for the action. Identifying Signals of Impending Orgasm: Leo highlights the importance of paying attention to the woman's signals when she is close to orgasm. Clues may include certain sounds, movements, or verbal indications. Communication During Orgasm: In the critical moments leading up to the woman's orgasm, Leo emphasizes the importance of a deep connection and verbal communication. The man should explicitly express his desire for her to squirt and instruct her to apply muscular pressure for release. Guidance Post-Orgasm: After her orgasm, it's important to give her instructions to continue pushing, potentially leading to an extended or even multiple orgasms. The man should continue with the pumping action and keep expressing his love and support during this time. Physical Effort Required: Leo underlines the physical effort required in this process. He suggests that men should strengthen their arm and finger muscles for the pumping action and should not let up under the strain. Resultant Relationship Strength: Leo asserts that by guiding a woman through this sexual exploration, the man can help her break societal conditioning about her sexuality, building incredible intimacy and a stronger relationship. Advice for Viewers: Leo advises viewers to try the techniques with their girlfriends and not with a first-time partner. He invites them to share their experiences and promotes his website for more advice on improving relationships and other aspects of life. Mastering Oneself for a Better Life: Besides focusing on sexual relationships, Leo stresses the need for self-improvement, leading to a regret-free and adventurous life. He suggests subscribing to his free newsletter, which provides weekly updates and articles on personal development and improving various areas of one's life.
     

  17. 3% obesity rate in Japan
    3% obesity rate in Japan
    The complex pathogenesis of diabetes and obesity can not be boiled down to "eating bread and occasionally sugar".
    The increasing rates of obesity are mostly the product of a hypercaloric food environment that promotes overeating on low-quality, undersatiating & hyponutritious foods while living a mostly sedentary lifestyle. The increasing rates of diabetes and other metabolic diseases (i.e hyperlipoproteinemia, high blood pressure) are for a big part due to this energy-dysbalance. 

  18. Huberman Podcast Critique
    Huberman Podcast Critique
    I recently had a quite hefty dispute with Huberman on Twitter - it was on his episode about hormones, especially DHT, hairloss and the indications/risks of DHT-conversion-blocking agents like Finasteride. It became increasingly clear to me that Huberman, besides being the head of a neurosceince-department in Stanford, often operates on a pretty low level of scientific epistemiology. I have seen him completely misunderstanding simple implications of the research he is citing, referencing dogshit studies with underpowered design and no explanatory power and even get basic things about medicine/physiology completeöy wrong. 

    This does not mean that the information he presents on his podcast is necessarily wrong or bad - in fact, I would even argue that in the great scheme of health infleuncers, he is one of the more sane and trustful voices (the bar is extremely low to begin with). I have made the same observations with Dr. Sincalir and his research about longevity - he became quite the laughing stock on med-twitter because of his opinions about Reservatol recently. He also was terribly wrong about Metformin as longevity agent.

    Here is a pretty decent episode about Huberman's failures: 
    https://decoding-the-gurus.captivate.fm/episode/andrew-huberman-forest-bathing-in-negative-ions

  19. Actualized.org Video Summaries!
    Actualized.org Video Summaries!
    Hey guys! I'm gonna upload all the video summaries I have at the moment and will be uploading more of them as I watch them! Needless to say that is a summaries made by me and not transcripts nor Leo's summaries. Probably you will find some of my comments and ideas in them; I enjoy feedback of any type so feel free to comment

  20. The $2M Anti-Ageing Protocol For Longevity - Bryan Johnson
    The $2M Anti-Ageing Protocol For Longevity - Bryan Johnson
    Yeah, to be clear - I dont blame anyone following these health influencers. 
    In fact, I get it! It sounds legit, most of them have credentials, it's motivational, it's non-conformist, it's cool, there is a community around it - and after all, some people clearly imrpove their health in the process. 

    The thing is, once you actually start reading into the source material and become somewhat of a professional as well, you realise how absurd most of their claims are. They speak under this smokescreen of scientific rigor, but once you actually start to examine each claim with the evidence provided, you quickly realise how much of a bullshit fiesta it actually is. Claims for or against a specific diet are either  built on an extremely fragile line of evidence or made up completely. What to do and what to avoid is stated with such a delusional level of confidence but no real substance at all. Some even sell their overpriced and usually completely shitty supplements to their clueless customers. It makes me angry, because people don't realise the real extent of the shitshow.

    Not everything is bad, you obviously need to look at each claim on it's own. And hey, if this is what it needs for someone on a standard american/ultraprocessed junk diet to switch to a more healthy option - then that's great. The problem is that there is so much dishonesty and bulshittery involved - it muddies the information landscape so nobody really can think straight anymore. Just look on all the social media platforms - it's diet wars - vegans vs. carnivores vs. keto vs. paleo....of course people get confused. And those influencers you mentioned are at the epicenter of this sensemaking crisis. Just look at this forum for example - the majority of posts about nutrition & health are regurgitated phrases/videos or podcasts from famous health influencers. "Oatmeal bad" - "Cholesterol good" - "Insulin spikes scary" - "Carbs kill you". This is not truth - this is a NPC mindset of uncritically repeating catchphrases you heard in a 10 minute Dr. Berg video. I would not care as much if this wasn't such a crucial topic. People will die earlier beacuse of this and that's terrible. Enough ranting!

  21. My 15 daily habits
    My 15 daily habits
    bed 7pm, sleep til 3am, meditation til 7, outside til 11, work til 3, play til 7

  22. Why do spiritual teachers evolve to Turquoise?
    Why do spiritual teachers evolve to Turquoise?
    The idea to rise your arms probably has arisen either as 1. an attempt to find a flaw in the theory or 2. to test the theory and dig deeper into it out of curiosity. 
    1. There could've been egoic resistance to accept opposing person's views. So ego out of fear not to be seen as weak/wrong and "less knowledgeable" makes an attempt to find a flaw in the subject just so it wouldn't need to accept the opposing views and could maintain its position and identity that it is used to. And that way we can see how a seemingly innocent action was actually motivated by resistence to accept something and behind resistance there will be fear always. 
    Ooooorrrr
    2. The seemingly innocent action could also boil down all the way to love. Perhaps there was a genuine curiosity and interest to expand the understanding of the subject. A genuine thirst to know more. And to explore it further. And the idea to rise arms was just an extention of a genuine desire to know more. Then it is driven by pure uncorrupted desire of the heart. (love).  
    One thing's for sure. Nobody can perform an action without a motivating factor being there first. And there are only two motivating factors. Love and fear. But the actual proof why it is so would be quite difficult to write it down and would probably be very long. Maybe some day. 

  23. Why do spiritual teachers evolve to Turquoise?
    Why do spiritual teachers evolve to Turquoise?
    We know that there is no relationship between waking up and growing up, otherwise every spiritual teacher would have been Turquoise which is not the reality.
    What drive current and last century spiritual teachers to grow up to Turquoise?
    Sadhguru, Osho, Mooji, Shinzen Young
    Osho can definitely pass as yellow seeing his personal library, truly inspiring.
    Shinzen Young too.
    But what about Mooji ? He was a typical green before his awakening. Sadhguru the way he tells his awaking story he seems like he was a typical business owner stage Orange guy "me and tears were impossible" - Sadhguru. 
    Anyone sees/have any insight on this? 

  24. To All Members
    To All Members
    He is philosophizing all of his experiences and creating some kind of metaphysical framework out of it. Very hard to see, I only noticed when I myself became enlightened. Any person who is enlightened will see it immediately, as did Ralston. He will probably deny it if you ask him because that is what he has to tell himself to keep that game going, now he says there is such a thing as "Absolute Concepts." (paraphrasing from what I remember)

    If you want to see the difference between Leo and an actual enlightened person, it is perfectly exemplified in the exchange between Leo and Ralston in his newsletter:

    https://mcusercontent.com/8a146e2bfe98efdd8c326d97a/files/08332a98-370d-44da-86ff-2c04a3ff1858/CHNL_Summer_2020.pdf?mc_cid=f12b90ff1c&mc_eid=3667cfd58d
    Mysticism and enlightenment often get conflated with philosophy it seems.

    Maybe Osho was philosophical to a degree, I don't know, but he did not deny his own partaking in that, that misses the point. He is simply saying it has nothing to do with God or "religion" as he defines it. Osho might make poetry, but that does not mean he believes it will help you reach God.

  25. Why do spiritual teachers evolve to Turquoise?
    Why do spiritual teachers evolve to Turquoise?
    You are not completely correct. He was a business man, but he also had read a shit-ton of books while doing his English degree, spent all days in the library, and only attended college so his family doesn't interrupt him sitting in the library without getting a degree. 
    He had been also some kind of a socialist activist as a student, something like that.
    And then... he became Enlightened, yes, but mastered his public persona and yoga workshop skills for decades before hitting the mainstream.