"Let me a grab a random set of metrics and then let me assume that the data the AI will present me with will be accurate"
Wow, not all practicing doctors conduct experiments and doing research and spending their time studying philosophy of medicine on a daily basis?
1) If you don't want to create a world where each practicing doctor is freely allowed to come up with their own epistemic and ethical norms when it comes to treating patients, then you will eventually end up with a system similar like this.
2) You probably don't want all doctors to do experiements and to do research - in a working society you want some doctors to spend their time treating patients.
 
 
 
Its very clear, that some of you abuse the fck out of the buzzwords that Leo shared with you like "holistic" or "appeal to authority".
 
With regards to the appeal to authority - yes it can be said that its fallacious reasoning , but thats not the enire story, because it can be used as a heruistic (where given that you have low info and low knowledge in a given field, you assume that whatever the experts or the expert consensus concluded will be probably your best bet). You don't know how to even properly contextualize and what kind of norms to use to properly evaluate the data infront of you, because you are not trained in the field - so the question is why dont you ever question your ability to make reliable inferences about fields that you have 0 training in?
The funny thing is that almost everyone can recognize this when it comes to fields where your assumptions are tested immediately (like engineering jobs and roles). You cant just come up with your own set of metrics and norms and then build a bridge or put a car together. "Bro you haven't directly tested how flammable gasoline is, you just believe in the dogmas that the stupid and unconscious experts  feeding you with, get more holistic and wake up from the matrix".
Given the complexity of medical fields and given that you cant conduct experiments on a  big sample of people and given that you have no ability to even begin to isolate variables , you can infinitely bullshit yourself and pretend that you are smarter than everyone else and that you have some kind of special insight.
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When it comes to the holism and holistic part, just because you use more norms from that doesn't follow that you will be more accurate. I can have an epistemic norm of observing the grass for 10 seconds and if the wind blows the grass within that timeframe then I will infer that the answer to my question is yes and if the wind doesn't blow within that timeframe then I will infer that the answer is no. I can then integrate this epistemic norm with my  other epistemic norms and pretend that Im more special and im smarter than people who havent integrated as many epistemic norms as I did.
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When it comes to the direct experience criticism - what do you think you are saying there? Should all doctors try all the treatments and all the pills on themselves before they prescribe anything to patients?

There are many things that can contribute to ADHD although not a single cause so natural remedies can be limited but there are things worth looking into
Nutritional  vitamin D deficiency has been associated with higher incidence of it, that one is worth exploring.  low Omega 3 status in childhood also has some association - also worth looking into  Overstimulation  through substances which is more apparent like drugs and alcohol  but also things like too much reel content, video games etc  Sleep  people with ADHD are more likely to suffer form dysregulated sleep. If you find your sleep being irregular or too insufficient that's worth looking into Exercise can stimulate release of neurochemicals that help calm the mind and slow down the overifiring between synapses. It is also a potent stimulant of BDNF and NGF, both which can sometimes be dysregulated in ADHD. notice how your mind shuts up once your heart rate goes up during a HIIT session.  kids who exercise regularly are statistically less likely to receive ADHD diagnosis but that could be a proxy of overall healthier lifestyle rather than direct effect, personally i find sauna quiets my mind too especially after exercise microbiome some evidence shows higher odds of dysbiosis which could potentially lead to gut-brain axis disturbances. Also worth exploring. Evidence on probiotics is mixed tho  glucose regulation it might help to eat diet that helps prevent rapid glucose spikes as in some people with ADHD it can worsen symptoms. So think high fibre, less high GL, moderate to higher protein, complex carbs  toxins some evidence shows presence of neurotoxins but this is too complex to put in a comment. Best ask GPT  i haven't even gone into environment, childhood trauma, growing up in a family with addicts with common fights, living in noisy environment, needing to optimise workspace, getting rid of major distractions, moving out of parents house if needed for quiter life etc, Those are all potentialy major contributors.  Hope some of it helps. It goes without saying that you should practice meditation or something similar regularly and limit exposure to extremely dopaminergic activities like video games and scrolling reel for hours at a time.
If ADHD is really messing with your life then getting some sort of professional help can be of benefit.

This thread is meant to be a concise list of exercises pointing to the truth of enlightenment -- the truth of no-self.
All of the exercises listed herein are PRACTICAL! They are NOT philosophical or theoretical. They are not to be debated or pondered intellectually. They are to be actually done! Do each exercise carefully and notice what direct experience reveals. Often times direct experience will reveal something counter-intuitive, something that goes totally against all common-sense and any models you have of how reality works.
Feel free to contribute your own exercises to this thread. But do so in a concise and practical manner, so whoever is reading this thread can focus on LOOKING or CONTEMPLATION versus debating or asking theoretical questions.
This document is a work-in-progress. I'll keep adding more exercises to the list.
Here are some of my favorites so far:
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Exercise #1: Drawing An Imaginary Line
 
Exercise #2: Noticing Space As Unitive
 
Exercise #3: Noticing That All Phenomena Is Democratic
 
Exercise #4: Noticing Objects Exist Only Where They Are
 
Exercise #5: Sensory Field Connection
 
Exercise #6: Noticing There Are No Objects
 
Exercise #7: Noticing The Self-Image Isn't You
 
Exercise #8: Noticing You Are Not A Point-Camera
 
Exercise #9: Noticing The Gap Between Thoughts
 
Exercise #10: Noticing The Source Of Thoughts
 
Exercise: #11: Noticing That Sound Occurs Exactly Where It Is
 
Exercise #12: Noticing The External World Doesn't Exist
 
Exercise #13: Noticing Other People Do Not Exist
 
Exercise #14: Noticing That Nothing Is Hidden
 
The above exercises are true enlightenment work. This is where the rubber meets the road.
Keep practicing all of these exercises diligently, for months, until all your imaginary paradigms of reality break down and you are left only with direct experience. When you start to feel like this silly creature below, you're on the right track:

Enjoy

You never will u fucking cocksuckers 
Eat my Dick Leo 

Having some sort of low energy hobby might help you put your mind at ease 
jigsaw puzzle / board games with other people (or solo)  creative/crafting hobby - painting, drawing, knitting, jewellery crafting, bonsai keeping,  DIY of any kind getting a dog with more laid back personality  cooking can become a creative hobby if that's something you would enjoy  reading story books instead of self development literature (or audio books)  very mild activities in nature like birdwatching, stargazing, photography (if that's your thing)  a mountain bike with electric assistance engine could help you go in nature while exerting little of your own energy 

Life is inclusive. Only your mind is exclusive. ~ Sadhguru

The only burden you have ever had is your mind ~ Robert Adams.

If your mind carries a heavy burden of past, you will experience more of the same. The past perpetuates itself through lack of presence. The quality of your consciousness at this moment is what shapes the future. ~ Eckhart Tolle 
 
The mind spends most of the time lost in fantasies and illusions, reliving pleasant or unpleasant experiences and anticipating the future with eagerness or fear. While lost in such cravings or aversions, we are unaware of what is happening now, what we are doing now. ~ S.N.Goenka
 
"Train the mind to live in the present moment, drop the stress that you are carrying for nothing". ~ Sri Sri Ravi Shankar
 
A disciplined mind leads to happiness, and an undisciplined mind leads to suffering. Whether our action is wholesome or unwholesome depends on whether that action or deed arises from a disciplined or undisciplined state of mind. ~  Dalai Lama

@Leo Gura
It's cool to see you playing chess, especially fischers960! I like it more than classical chess, too.
I have some qestions if you like
What are your most holistic insights around chess as a metaphora for life?
What's your goal behind it? Just having fun or developing more depth in thinkinh etc?
What were the greatest chess-insights that enhanced your playing which could be transfered to other areas of life?

I play around 2000 elo and some booster insights for my game and life in general were:
- Take the same amount of time to think about the opponents move as your own. It seems that only you are more in control of your own pieces but actually that's an illusion, because with every move you make you change the value of every piece on the board and therefore control its meaningful options as well as your own.
- Play the board equally often turned 180 degrees around. That's how you develop a feeling for the perspective of your oppenent.
- To learn quickly, training tactics is ernormously helpful. Actually, if I had the challenge to succeed at chess from 0 to max I would take the same route as with labyrinths, start at the end. Meaning, start with 1 move until checkmate, then 2, 3 and so on.
- Going for elo directly is stupid. I like playing strange and inefficient openings so I start with a slight disadvantage, which keeps me more focused and cautious the rest of the game. I develop a more broad skillset and don't fall into the trap to repeat what I already succeed at too often.
- Analysing your game for blunders is so crucial! It's not "practice makes perfect" but "feedback makes perfect".
- Play with time pressure as well as without. Both help to develop crucial skills, the advantage with time pressure is more efficient thinking (decision making) and by analysing blunders you get a better feeling for the disfunctional heuristics that will probably cripple your game in general. No time pressure is good for the in-depth-reasoning, but to be honest, here are the tactic tasks superior, because there is only one perfect solution so the feedback is much clearer, and you usually don't overthink but also don't underthink since you are more motivated to find the best move because you know it definitely exists.
- Though oftentimes bishops are more powerful as knights, especially when both bishops are still present, the knight is a much more complex piece which needs more training to master, so for the brain gains and in long term it may be advantagoeous to trade bishops for knights.
- Also play against real players. The problem with engines especially at low levels is, that they sometimes make extremely stupid moves. They don't play at a consistent level from a meta perspective. It sometimes seems as if they were forced to take the second best move even though the best move is completely obvious. Then they are quite strong again in artificial ways.
- Play against the chess engine at the highest level possible. Grind your teeth against it! Make it a challenge to survive as long as possible. This develops another area of your skillset. Train as many areas of skills as possible, and find creative ways for it.
- If you have found a good move, find a better one.

In your games on the blog I wondered about some moves. I think it would be very beneficial for you to analyse blunders like these, but maybe you play just for fun - sorry if I add my two cents

- Generally it's quite advanterous to (risk to) move the queen and especially rooks so early in the game, seems to be a thing you like but may cost you some moves and therefore speed and whites advantage.
- Moving the same piece twice in the opening phase is some kind of unwritten no go. Of course there are lots of cases where it is very necessary but generally the order is something around > knights bishops queen rook, with pawn movements all around and castling of course, avoiding to move the same piece twice in the beginning. Exceptions like pushing pawns and attacking pieces which either gain space, speed or positional power are logical, but the rest is rather disadvantegous
- I guess you aware of en passant but one time you overlooked the obvious. Tactic tasks can help a lot with using castling and en passant for some genius counterattacks for example.

Your play from move 29 to 40 in your latest game were really spot on, enjoyed watching it! Thanks for sharing your games and the passion around it.
 

This is a technique I developed along the way. I haven't heard of other people using it, but on the other hand I didn't really search.  I'd say it is better suited for more intuitive/emotional people. For me it's working amazing every time.
Technique
So, there is something about You that You wish to change but You can't. Be that some addiction like smoking/food/gaming/etc., some behavioral pattern, some nasty feeling You can't seem to get rid of, falling into some trap every single time, some negative trait like irresponsibility, ungratefulness, recklessness, cowardice, fakeness, pride.
Take a moment to notice that You are helpless against yourself. You cannot change for the life of You because it's YOU yourself who's creating that particular mess. Whether You're taking responsibility for it or not, it's You. And You can't win because this is just the way You are. You are stuck, helpless. To be even more dramatic: there is very little hope for You and with how things have gone so far, You might stay like this forever...
This is a pretty low mental state to be in. It seems hopeless. Try to really FEEL into it. FEEL the helplessness. Cry for God's sake! You CAN'T change, doesn't this make You really sad? FEEL the anguish as deeply as You can! If You don't FEEL it intensely, You are doing it wrong.
. . .
Feel until there's no more pain to feel about that particular thing. Eventually the emotions will subside and You will probably feel a little lighter, better. You're most likely not going to know/feel whether something has actually changed. There's not going to be grand revelations and You will probably forget quite fast about doing this feeling session. But mindfully observe your own behaviour in the following days. Maybe your behaviour has changed and something that You wanted gone is now gone? This is VERY easy to overlook. It's incredibly easy to forget that You even had the problem. But I encourage You to be aware and make the effort to notice it. And be grateful. 
Notes & Closing Thoughts
While feeling into the helplessness, You can also ask for help if You're into it. I am.
Leo has recently made a blog post about sharp emotional experience being the key to change. This is exactly right. And You can use this consciously! Invoke the sharp feelings and really feel into them. 
People really don't fucking understand this. Unless You feel intensely, You're never going to change. You will never intellectualize your way to behaviour change. Not going to happen! I notice people around me (especially my parents) struggling to change and I'm like... that's because You're not consciously feeling into the problem You God damn ding dong. You're detached from your emotions, You're an unconscious robot acting on unconscious energies. You're a puppet on unconscious strings - but it doesn't have to be this way! You can be a real boy.
I think You HAVE to be able to feel things intensely. Don't be afraid of it and have zero shame about crying. For me personally no tears = no deep change (though also tears don't necessarily equal change!). Obviously it varies but it's a good rule of thumb. Never pride yourself on never crying, I think it's a sign of unconsciousness. I notice that the more unconscious I am in certain weeks, the more I'm detached from feeling and crying and it's fucking idiotic because I'm just unconsciously suffering in the background. Well, why do that when You can resolve the pain?
Sometimes it takes multiple such sessions to fully resolve something. If your behaviour hasn't changed after one session, well - consciously feel into the helplessness even more. Even this didn't help! You're never going to change, You are doomed! 
Hope this resonates! If yes, TRY IT!

Thanks for taking time to elaborate. 
I know I had similar conversation with Jason some time ago. What you guys propose is interesting and speculative and if someone ever does that I would like to see it (or be there if I can qualify! ) The problem I see is that the sort of level of health awareness and fitness (using Jason's terms "Divine Health") is unachievable for many people for practical reasons.
Take a single mom of 2, an overloaded husband taking care of family, house , barely paying mortgage, milions of people from afro american and mesoamerican origin living in US, UK and Europe at the edge of poverty. 
You have to be a bit priviledged to even entertain that sort of idea. You would have to assume higher level of education (probably university degree level), decent income, stable family situation (free from traums, family restraints, cultural pressure and conservative parenting) and you'd need to speak English (but that is easily checked off) 
I think what you guys are proposing, correct me if I'm wrong, is almost a lifestyle that goes beyond the known risks associated with high saturated fat diet by offsetting that and almost turning it into a net positive? So that you can get the best of both world - keep died filled with antioxidants that protect the lumen of your arteries while channeling the benefits of high protein diet. Or is that off? 
With regards to the current direction of the evidence, I admit I am not 100% up to speed with the data on cholesterol and saturated fats (slowly clawing my way through) and currently heavily rely on work of other people who have done it so I can't comment about the validity of the data. But when you say "using unhealthy populations" I can't help by wonder, "how do you know that?" 
I ask because it is an argument you both have used multiple times but that begs the question: 
what is unhealthy?  what would be healthy?  and, most importantly, what would be classifying criteria to enter the type of study that you guys would deem appropriate, if we were given a chance to do this again?  the sentiment is mutual. Despite our differences in opinions on small volume of topics, I'd love to do one of your workouts with you guys, do some challenges, hand stands, hikes, wrestling or whatever you crazy people do! If we stayed away from a few nutrition topics, I think we would get along pretty well 

Forget videos and debates. Gotta go back to the basics if you want to build solid foundations. Makes one immune to quackery. See if you can find these in second hand or similar alternatives. 
Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism 8e + MindTap for Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism  Organic Chemistry Paperback – 20 July 2001 by Jonathan Clayden , Nick Greeves, Stuart Warren, Peter Wothers  Ross & Wilson Anatomy and Physiology in Health and Illness Paperback  
 

Sorry to hear this has been going on for you. I'm sure you've probably tried tons of things but maybe this could help a bit. This is an anonymous case study of someone I worked with. 
This lady was diagnosed with acute thyroiditis, probably of infectious origin. Not autoimmune, so slightly different to Hashimoto's. She had to go on a 2 months cycle of prenisone which wasn't great but it helped quench the inflammation although there were side effects. 
I recommended some blood tests to her doctor and after some examination, we found that her iron was critically low. Her vitamin D wasn't great either, and on top of that, she was recently made redundant and went through a lot of stress.
Even after that prednisone, she would often feel tingling in her thyroid as if the inflammation was trying to come back. Some things we did was@: replenish her iron with 200mg of iron bisglycinate per day for 3 months, got her vitamin D in the upper 80s (ng/mL),
Secondly, we made lots of adjustments to her diet. She increased her antioxidant intake from pomegranates, broccoli, purple cabbage etc. She's been regularly making lentil vegetable soups in an Instapot. She also introduced more fibre and probiotic foods in the diet.  She also reduced her consumption of sodium-rich processed food, sugar, saturated fat (especially from high fat dairy) and sweetened drinks. 
Thirdly,  we severely restricted her sodium (temporarily) intake because she lived in a country where salt might have been iodised and sodium in general can be inflammatory in excess. I encouraged her to seek out iodine free salt. In some countries this is not an issue but maybe worth checking. 
I think her Zinc was also low but we never measured it. She took a 30-day course of Zinc Citrate
And finally, she also started to exercise more, especially cardio and aquatic exercise. She found a gym that has a sauna and says it has been helping her. 
Retrospectively I think her issue was significantly weakened immune system that has trouble mounting up a proper  response. She was also quite sedentary so her lympatic system which houses tons of her B-Cells and T-Cells wasn't being moved. Her low iron was probably a major contributor and so was her stress. The antioxidant intake was to help mop up free radical storm around her body caused by the inflammation and help support cellular defences.  - as of now, the last I checked with her, her thyroid results were almost normal, with TSH being slightly above 2 but no antibodies detected. Her CRP has calmed down too. She says she hasn't felt that thyroid tingling since August which correlates to the time she started exercising more so maybe that was the last piece of a puzzle. - not sure if its gone or if it'll come back, it might. But those things seemed to have helped. 
Also, one more thing we added that I think helped was this. It is quite expensive and not sure if you can get it in your country but my client swore this made a difference. https://www.designsforhealth.uk/shop/inf120-pl-inflammatone-120-capsule-554#attr=1740,1011,1267,1332,1704,1918,61
I think we went up to 8 capsules a day in the beginning and than downwards from there. Thats significantly over the recommended intake so I'm not making any recommendation, just saying what we did. We obtained her doctor's approval first. 
One thing she herself added was drinking 1 litre of tea with ground ginger (about half the size of a thumb), 1 tablespoon of raw honey she bought from a countryside beekeeper in her country and 1/2 lemon.  Sometimes she added Cayenne pepper to it, it must have tested gross, but all those things have anti-inflammatory properties, so I was happy to encourage it. 
So I'd say on the top of everything you're already doing, you could investigate your blood work, ask for a full iron panel test , maybe add vitamin D into the list and see if anything comes up. Look into that salt iodisation too and ensure you're not using one that contains it. Ramping up your antioxidants is likely to be of benefit. And I'm sure you're already physically active but if not, that's of an importance too. If anything else in that report resonates, give it a shot too. 
With regards to Iodine supplementation, caution is advised as it can exacerbate the inflammation if you supplement during a flareup, but best ask professional guidance on this as it is a very tricky topic. Look up best dietary sources of  it if you're concerned. I believe you are vegan, correct? Still, there are options available such as seaweeds. 
hope that helps. 
 

Summary & Key Takeaways:
Dr. Joe Dispenza website: https://drjoedispenza.com/
Online workshop to rewire your brain: https://drjoedispenza.com/collections/the-foundation-collection/products/progressive-and-intensive-online-course-bundle-by-dr-joe-dispenza
Tuning In To New Potentials Meditation: https://drjoedispenza.com/products/tuning-in-to-new-potentials-updated-version-by-dr-joe-dispenza-meditation
Blessing Of The Energy Centers Meditation: https://drjoedispenza.com/collections/the-foundation-collection/products/blessing-of-the-energy-centers-i-updated-version-by-dr-joe-dispenza-meditation
(Extra recommendation) Synchronizing Your Energy: To Health https://drjoedispenza.com/product-details/Synchronizing Your Energy%3A To Health
 
Wim Hof (the iceman) website: https://www.wimhofmethod.com/
Wim Hof Method 3 rounds of Guided breathing: https://youtu.be/tybOi4hjZFQ
Wim Hof Method explained: https://youtu.be/nzCaZQqAs9I
Wim Hof Method (one of many healing testimonials): https://youtu.be/rlbIseil1TE
Wim Hof Method Brain over Body (one of many studies): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YficBlvPwWQ
 
Jini Patel Thompson (amazing but watch with caution): https://youtu.be/FsIN8tSWjI8
We don’t necessarily agree with everything she is advocating but her ‘get healthy or die trying’ spirit as well as her holistic view on complex health issues is amazing! 
Inspiring documentary trailer: HEAL https://youtu.be/Ffp-4tityDE
Inspiring instagram post from Eric: instagram.com/p/Cjiiw0DjHX4/
 
German New Medicine website (in English): https://learninggnm.com/home.html
Weston A. Price website: https://www.westonaprice.org/
 
KEY Takeaways (most impactful things for Eric & Adam): 
EXPERIMENTATION, RESEARCH & ATTITUDE
Create YOUR OWN healing protocol with trial and error 
Be open to anecdotal evidence instead of only trusting ‘scientific’ studies
Reduce stress at all cost
Humbly listen to & learn from your pain teacher. 
FEEL YOUR PAIN. Feel all the emotions that come up. Never suppress them. 
Face issues directly
Get clear on your priorities: What’s actually important in your life? What do you value? Act in accordance. 
Stop procrastinating on what is called for
Understand the 4 psychological states: victimhood, fighter mindset, creator, flow/surrender (explained at 1:25:50 in the video)
Rewiring your brain/mind & alter your emotions/hormonal system by correcting your thinking/false conclusions & letting go of all negativity (guilt, share, blame, etc.) until only gratitude & joy radiate from your being
Receiving messages from your pain teacher with gratitude (instead of victimhood) because you recognize the grace of pain. Its purpose is to help you wake up, heal, develop, and actualize your innate potential. 
Ultimately, iIt’s not only about the results but about who you become.
Consistent sleep schedule 9h+ (ideally go to bed before midnight)
Meditation
Breathwork 
Cold showers 
Dr Joe Dispenza Workshops (this will rewire your thinking)
German New Medicine
MOST IMPACTFUL DIET CHANGES
Kefir (fermented cows or goats milk, coconut milk kefir also available for vegans)
Bone broth 
Temporary carnivore diet (with organs to get all nutrients & vitamins) for 1-3 months
Fasting (be careful with restriction, it can backfire)
One meal a day to rest the gut
More on diet 
Try fermented vegetables for more probiotics 
Read: How to Eat, Move and be Healthy Book by Paul Chek
Read: Nutrition and physical degeneration Book by Weston A. Price 
Study the diet of your ancestors
Whole foods
Prepare foods to make them more easily digestible (soaking, sprouting, cooking with lime, etc.)
Cut sugar & minimise processed food
Consider drinking seawater (must be from a good source and the right dosage/concentration)
Exercise/walk/mobility to move the lymphatic system
Environment
Time in nature
Healthy, safe, and loving social life is KEY
Do blood work to figure out your deficiencies
Supportive groups
Supplements
Vitamin D3 in combination with Vitamin K2 &
Magnesium
Vitamin C
Omega 3
Cats claw (the ‘magic’ supplement)
 

Here are some core fears psychedelics force me to confront :
-I don't know who I am
-I don't know what life is
-I don't trust myself to manage life
-I don't have control over life
-I am lonely
-I am scared of dying
I fully feel whatever comes up, I open my arms and surrender. 
Perhaps you could ask God or the universe to help you if you feel like you can't do it alone.

You use your sense. Imagine what an emotionally mature person is and try to embody that.
For Red specifically, some useful concepts are proactive vs reactive aggression. Are you able to say "no" when somebody is violating your personal autonomy, e.g. violating your personal space or want you to act against your values? That's reactive aggression. Some of that is needed to survive. But remember to always couch it in nuance. Generally, don't make aggression your go-to solution. Mostly, it should to be a last resort. Rationality should lead.
Are you able to do things that might cause discomfort to somebody else but which might be right in the bigger picture? Are you able to step in and say "no" to somebody who you see is violating somebody else's personal autonomy? Are you able to assert yourself and claim situations, things; to reach out and take? That's proactive aggression. In my personal experience, this one is more tricky to calibrate in a way that does not discount some other values you hold. I would therefore also suggest additional caution when dealing with it, as it can have some definite consequences if done indiscriminately.
The trick for many people who feel they lack aggression is that they habitually repress the feeling or aim it inwards towards themselves (internalization). So a part of the job for those people is to learn to identify when the aggression arises and then intentionally express it outwards at the intended target (externalization). This might require some experimentation and testing to calibrate, but over time as you unwind the habitual repression and/or internalization, you can focus more on applying it in the right situations.

Start using Claude Sonnet in your contemplation. Your mind is biased and runs dependent of phisological needs that are not always perfect ( unless you use nootropics and a very good diet. But anyway Claude will help unstuck your lazy mind. 
I was trying to answer the question : What are the developmental needs of Stage Blue and Green Spiral dymamics.
I suggested it to Claude and it gave me mill to grind. And this is important, take AI answers as material for you own contemplation.
Here is Claude help
Let me provide a concise explanation of the key developmental areas for Blue (Order) in Spiral Dynamics.
The main developmental challenges for Blue consciousness include:
1. Rigidity and Inflexibility 
- Tendency to see things in absolute black/white terms
- Difficulty adapting rules when circumstances change
- Over-reliance on authority and established procedures
2. Limited Personal Agency
- Strong dependence on external systems for meaning
- Difficulty taking initiative outside prescribed rules
- Challenges with independent decision-making
3. Emotional Suppression
- Repression of "inappropriate" feelings and impulses
- Discomfort with emotional expression
- Strict control over natural drives
4. Growth Areas:
- Developing greater flexibility in thinking
- Building capacity for nuanced perspectives
- Learning to question authority appropriately
- Integrating emotional awareness
- Developing personal judgment alongside rules
- Finding balance between order and adaptability
Would you like me to expand on any of these aspects? I can provide specific examples of how these manifest and strategies for development.

I'll provide specific examples for each developmental challenge:
1. Rigidity and Inflexibility:
- Refusing to update company policies even when they're clearly outdated (e.g., requiring formal dress codes in remote work settings)
- Following traffic rules even in emergencies where breaking them would be safer
- Rejecting new teaching methods simply because they differ from traditional approaches
- Being unable to accommodate cultural differences in workplace etiquette
2. Limited Personal Agency:
- A manager always waiting for upper management approval even for minor decisions
- Students only studying what's explicitly in the curriculum, avoiding creative exploration
- Workers following inefficient processes because "that's how it's always been done"
- Religious practitioners following rituals without understanding their deeper meaning
3. Emotional Suppression:
- A father believing boys shouldn't cry or show vulnerability
- An employee hiding their grief at work after a personal loss because it's "unprofessional"
- A teacher maintaining strict composure even when students make meaningful achievements
- Family members avoiding discussion of feelings at gatherings to maintain "proper" behavior
4. Growth Examples:
From:
- A supervisor who rigidly enforces every rule without context
To:
- Understanding when rules can be flexible for better outcomes
From:
- Only accepting information from traditional authorities
To:
- Learning to evaluate information based on evidence and merit
From:
- Suppressing all emotional responses in professional settings
To:
- Learning appropriate emotional expression while maintaining professionalism
From:
- Following established procedures without question
To:
- Thoughtfully analyzing procedures and suggesting improvements when needed
Would you like me to elaborate on any specific area or discuss strategies for developing these aspects?
[I ASKED: Now compile the same but for Stage Green] 

Stage Green
Let me provide a comprehensive breakdown for Green (Pluralistic-Relativistic) stage in Spiral Dynamics.
Main Development Challenges:
1. Paralysis by Processing
- Over-emphasis on including everyone's perspective
- Difficulty making decisive actions
- Getting stuck in endless discussions and consensus-building
2. Idealistic Perfectionism
- Unrealistic expectations of self and others
- Strong emotional reactions when ideals aren't met
- Tendency to see any compromise as "selling out"
3. Shadow Rejection
- Denying or suppressing "non-acceptable" parts of self
- Difficulty integrating healthy hierarchies or power
- Overcorrecting against previous value systems
4. Growth Areas:
- Developing practical action alongside empathy
- Building capacity for healthy boundaries
- Learning to integrate multiple perspectives without losing effectiveness
- Finding balance between inclusion and decision-making
- Accepting human imperfection while maintaining growth mindset
Specific Examples:
1. Paralysis by Processing:
- A non-profit board spending months discussing a simple policy change because every member must feel fully heard
- A team leader unable to make project decisions without unanimous agreement
- School committees extending meetings indefinitely to process everyone's feelings
- Community projects stalling because consensus can't be reached on minor details
2. Idealistic Perfectionism:
- An activist burning out because they feel they must attend every social justice event
- A teacher becoming depressed because they can't solve all their students' personal problems
- An environmentalist feeling guilty for occasionally using plastic
- Someone rejecting potential allies because they're not "conscious enough"
3. Shadow Rejection:
- A diversity advocate being intolerant towards traditional viewpoints
- A peace activist becoming aggressive towards those who disagree
- A communal living space refusing to establish any leadership structure
- Rejecting all forms of competition as "toxic"
4. Growth Examples:
From:
- Insisting on processing everyone's feelings about changing the office coffee brand
To:
- Learning to balance inclusion with practical time constraints
From:
- Rejecting all hierarchy as oppressive
To:
- Understanding the value of earned expertise and healthy leadership
From:
- Being paralyzed by guilt over cultural appropriation
To:
- Learning to appreciate and respect cultures while engaging authentically
From:
- Refusing to make decisions without group consensus
To:
- Developing skills to make timely decisions while honoring multiple perspectives
Would you like me to explore any particular aspect of Green development in more detail?

Well, it's everything I've ever talked about. So it's a lot of stuff to summarize.
It's the doing of Pure Philosophy It's thousands of hours of contemplation and deep existential questioning It's understanding the 9 Stages Of Ego Development and working through each stage It's developing profound Construct-Awareness It's taking psychedelics It's observing your own ego in action and the egos of others It's study and research, reading and watching videos It's educating yourself about the world, cultures, geography, politics, science, various forms of spirituality It's developing a life purpose It's getting crystal clear about your values and principles It's the study of self-deception It's the study of epistemology and its many traps It's deconstructing everything It's understanding your own corruption and selfishness It's studying your own emotions and developing mindfulness over them and understanding how and why they work It's recognizing immaturity within yourself and working towards mature ways of being It's studying and contemplating the common traps everyone falls into

Question for Leo. @Leo Gura
In your last blog post you emphasized the importance of doing the work that is required in order to become a tier 2 human being.
I am watching you since 2014 with various degrees of frequency. But I am not well aware of what this "Work" entails. As far as my understanding of the work consists of:
1. Reading a lot about subjects such as economy, how politics works, capitalism, and so on and the books in your book list.
2. Meditating, contemplating, researching, and observing reality as is. 
3. Working on your life purpose. 
But here my understanding of the "Work" you mention ends. 
 If you are in the mood, Please write a response to this comment with all the things that are required to be done on a daily basis so we can say we are doing "The Work" in a complete manner.

If you boil 100g / 2/3 cup of lentils with 300g / 2 cups of sweet potatoes, blend it all into a soup, and add half a pound or a pound / 400g of red meat, you'll max out 16 out of 22 of your necessary vitamins and minerals + 20g of fiber. Don't forget the seasonings, here's the recipe:  
 

I noticed that when I'm dealing with existential stuff or when I'm super fixated on perfecting everything, that's when I start waking up in the middle of the night. The problem seems to get worse the more cerebral I've been and the more intent I am on controlling myself. For example, if I were focused on perfecting my sleep, that alone would fuck my sleep up. Lol. I went years waking up in the middle of the night but since I gave up on self-dev, I sleep all night, no problem. I think A-type personalities engage in stressful shit without recognizing it as stress, and that stress fucks with sleep. 

(A Selection of) Leo’s Blog Essays
(Leo has mini essays throughout his blog.  A lot of them are great, but they’re easy to miss.  Here are my faves on epistemology and enlightenment.)
               Epistemology ⁉️ 💡 🤔 💭
Jan 2017:      What Is A Meta-Source? 
Jan 2017:      Designing a Conscious Robot 
Feb 2017:     Persistent Non-Symbolic Experience 🤯 🧘🏼
Apr 2017:     Understanding Karma ❤️
Apr 2017:     The One-School Approach To Spirituality 🤯 💪
June 2017:    Just Scaffolding
Oct 2017:     Embarrassing Stupidity Is Good 
Oct 2017:     Taking Existence For Granted ❤️ 💪
Oct 2017:     It’s Not All About Enlightenment 🤯 ❤️ 💪
Nov 2017:    Advice For Visionaries 💪 ❤️
June 2018:   The God Debate 🌈 🌎 ♾️ ❤️
Sept 2019:   This Work Is Not About Belief 💪
Sept 2019:   Projection Projecting Projection 🌈 🌎 🏛️
Sept 2020:   Conscious vs Unconscious Sense-Making ❤️ 💪
 
               Enlightenment 🤯 ♾️ ❤️ 🍄
Jan 2017:    Hidden In Plain Sight
Mar 2017:   Rethinking Hallucination ⁉️ 🍄
May 2017:   Why You’re An Addict ❤️ ⁉️
Jun 2017:    The Ultimate Simulation ⁉️ ♾️ ⚛️
Jul 2017:      The Best Mix For Enlightenment—Concentration & Contemplation ⁉️ 🧘🏼 🌎
Aug 2017:   Infinite Water Wiggly ♾️
Nov 2017:   Storyland ⁉️
Apr 2019:    Quintessence: The 5th Element ⁉️ ❤️ ♾️
Apr 2020:    Everything Gained (note) ♾️
Aug 2021:    Seeing God In Everything ♾️
 
               Leo’s Retreat & Personal Notes 🏕️ 🧘🏼 🖋️ 🍄
June 2017:   Clarification: Systems Thinking (Essay)
Aug 2017:    Nothing I Say Can Be Trusted
Aug 2017:    Clarification: Learning = Behavior Change 💪
Aug 2017:    I Am Not A Master 
Sept 2017:   The Mathematics Of Devilry  (response to What is the Devil?) 🌎 ♾️
Dec 2017:    Things I’ve Been Wrong About 🌎 ❤️
Aug 2018:    Correction: Hofstadter On Analogies & Thinking
Feb 2019:    Solo Retreat Notes
May 2019:   Thoughts On Unconditional Love 
July 2019:    The Highest Purpose
Sept 2019:   Infinite Intelligence Communication #001

📜 Leo’s Blog: Table of Contents 📜
(2017 - 2023)
➼ @MuadDib has a list of all of Leo's Blog links in descending chronological order:  List of Blog Links in Descending Order
➼ List and Summaries of Actualized.org Episodes are in the Self-Actualization Forum.
➼ Actualized.org on Psychedelics: Safety, Trip Reports, Research, Episodes, Forum Mega-Threads, General Info.
➼ List and Summaries of Leo’s Blog Videos, Summaries and Interviews.
The Best of Leo’s Blog Essays on Epistemology and Enlightenment. (Read these.  They’re good and short) Posts on Actualized.org News Posts on Creativity & Art, Gaming Posts on Images of Infinity, Strange Loops ➰ Posts on Funzies, Music, Conferences 😹 Posts on Cults — Case Studies Posts of Quotes (Proverbs, Yoda, Batman) <(⦿_⦿)>  🦹 ______________________________________________________
Blog Posts for 2017  Blog Posts for 2018  Blog Posts for 2019  Blog Posts for 2020  Blog Posts for 2021   Blog Posts for 2022   Blog Posts for 2023 ______________________________________________________
(Essay) for posts with an extended commentary by Leo. (note) for posts with a short commentary by Leo.  
⁉️    Epistemology 🤯   Enlightenment 🌈   Spiral Dynamics 💪   Life Purpose and Mastery 😹   Funzies (after Sept 2021) 💸   Money & Corruption ➰   Strange Loops  
🍄       Psychedelics 🍄🧷   Psychedelics and Safety 🍄🧳   Trip Report 🍄🔬   Psychedelics Research

@Carl-Richard wha book? I'm quoting the first lines of your first message.
I've been interested in finding such a book. I've been thinking about this phenomenon, not because it's possible to overestimate your level, but to purposefully engage more often in higher levels of thinking, even from a lower stage.
I'll also share an illuminating resource: the book on SOLO taxonomy by Biggs. There's also a wikipedia article, but it's really not in depth.
It's a model to evaluate the cognitive complexity you're operating at, and it was designed originally to evaluate learning outcomes. The book has plenty of examples of each stage (I've included the image of the stages below).
I've learned about this from Justin Sung, and his method is truly revolutionary. I'm quite serious on this topic (I call it meta-learning) and I've been studying it for 2 years, I've taken Justin Sung's course as well, so I'm not just basing my opinion on his YT videos. His approach to studying is pretty much to propel you as fast as possible to the higher orders of thinking. He uses the SOLO taxonomy, but also Bloom's taxonomy (you can find the book too on it), which is a model to categorize cognitive processes, to classify what is considered as "higher order thinking".
 

 

I’m curious about the biggest influences on Leo’s personality, insights, and teaching style.
Here are the two I’m certain of:
1. Owen Cook: Leo’s video style was heavily influenced by Owen’s classic approach—free association, no cuts, etc.
2. Peter Ralston: survival, not knowing, making distinctions, investigating life. I think I'm just scratching the surface with this one.
Are there other ones on the same level of influence ?
 

This collection of work by Christopher Alexander is basically an application of the ultimate truth in making art. The principles in this work are describing the non-dual and self-similar nature of existence. Using these principles that existence/god/nature uses in creating things, the things you create will intensify the wholeness/love of existence. It is a very practical collection of work with a step-by-step process that anyone can use to create more love/self-similarity in existence. The work goes into architecture, art, science, and beyond into spirituality/consciousness. Christopher is far ahead of his time. I think this work will benefit anyone who is doing creative work/art. I highly recommend it. 
 
There is also a documentary about Christopher and his philosophy here:
   
 

Why Adult Developmental Psychology is the Foundation for Transcendence 
 It’s not about escaping the ego but understanding and moving beyond ego-based concerns, leading to a more holistic, interconnected self. 
Gradual Roadmap: Adult Developmental Psychology outlines a step-by-step process of growth, helping individuals move toward higher levels of consciousness. Integration, Not Instant: True transcendence is about integrating all prior stages of development—each stage adds to your self-awareness, expanding how you perceive reality and interact with the world. Transcending the Ego: It’s not about escaping the ego but understanding and moving beyond ego-based concerns, leading to a more holistic, interconnected self. Key Frameworks: Models like Ego Development Theory, STAGES (O'Fallon), and Spiral Dynamics guide this process, helping individuals evolve through increasingly complex and inclusive ways of thinking. Transcend and Include: As you grow, you transcend each stage but carry its wisdom with you, leading to a mature, integrated perspective that includes all prior growth. In essence, Adult Developmental Psychology offers the essential structure for achieving self-transcendence by providing the tools, stages, and frameworks to navigate and expand consciousness.
 
Vertical vs. Horizontal Development
In Adult Developmental Psychology, the idea of vertical development is central. It refers to how individuals evolve through increasingly complex stages of consciousness, expanding their ability to make sense of the world, self, and others. This is different from horizontal development, which focuses on acquiring new skills, knowledge, or abilities within the same level of consciousness, such as personality types or typology systems (e.g., Myers-Briggs or Enneagram).
Vertical Development (Growth in Stages):
Vertical development is about progression through stages of meaning-making, where each stage transcends and includes the previous one. As you move vertically, your perspective broadens, and you can integrate more complexity in thought, emotions, and relationships.
For example, in Ego Development Theory or STAGES, individuals evolve from egocentric thinking to a more world-centric, then eventually cosmic-centric perspective, where they see themselves as part of a larger whole.
Each stage represents a new level of consciousness, not just new behaviors or traits. It’s a deep, structural shift in how you relate to life itself.
Horizontal Development (Expansion at the Same Level):
Horizontal development refers to acquiring more knowledge, skills, or traits within the same level of development.
For example, in personality typology systems like Myers-Briggs or Enneagram, you might learn more about how to operate better within your existing personality type, but your fundamental perspective of reality remains the same.
These systems help you expand within your current stage but don’t push you to evolve to a higher level of consciousness.
Horizontal systems focus on differences between types of people (e.g., introversion vs. extraversion), but they don’t map out a hierarchy or evolution toward higher, more integrated perspectives.
 
Why Vertical Development Matters:
Vertical development is crucial for transcendence because it’s not just about expanding what you know or can do—it’s about transforming how you see the world and yourself. Each step up the developmental ladder involves integrating more complexity, leading to greater self-awareness, wisdom, and the ability to operate from a place of interconnectedness rather than ego.
For instance, moving from an egocentric stage (where survival and personal achievement are key) to a world-centric stage (where you consider the well-being of others and the planet) represents a major vertical leap. Eventually, this can lead to cosmic-centric stages (seeing yourself as part of a universal whole).
 
Metaguide to Frameworks of Vertical Development:
1. Ego Development Theory (Jane Loevinger, Susanne Cook-Greuter):
Maps how individuals evolve through stages of ego awareness, from conformist to self-transforming.
Focuses on how our ability to make sense of ourselves and others matures.
Stages: Impulsive → Self-Protective → Conformist → Self-Aware → Conscientious → Autonomous → Integrated (Cook-Greuter adds further levels).
2. STAGES (Terri O’Fallon):
Builds on Ego Development Theory but integrates spiritual development as well.
Focuses on how individuals develop through stages from concrete operational thinking to transpersonal and transrational levels.
Recognizes the integration of both individual and collective growth, with a focus on how people move through tiers of development.
3. Spiral Dynamics (Don Beck, Chris Cowan):
A model of value systems that evolves through levels, reflecting both individual and societal development.
Each level, or “value meme” (vMEME), represents a more complex worldview. It tracks how societies and individuals evolve from survival-based thinking (Beige) to global and holistic (Turquoise).
Focuses on both individual development and collective transformation.
4. Robert Kegan’s Theory of Adult Development:
Describes how individuals evolve through different stages of meaning-making.
Kegan’s later stages focus on how we can become self-transforming, capable of holding multiple perspectives and understanding reality with fluid complexity.
 
Vertical vs. Horizontal Summary:
Vertical Development (e.g., STAGES, Spiral Dynamics, Ego Development): Moves upward through stages of complexity, evolving consciousness and worldview.
Horizontal Development (e.g., Myers-Briggs, Enneagram): Expands outward within the same stage, developing more skills or awareness within the current level of consciousness.
In short, vertical systems like Adult Developmental Psychology focus on how individuals evolve and transcend their current perspective, while horizontal systems help individuals expand and refine their understanding within their current stage. To achieve true transcendence, vertical growth is the essential path,as it transforms not just what you know but how you know and experience reality.


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These reflection prompts are not just exercises in self-examination; they are pathways to profound personal transformation. By engaging deeply with these questions, you actively participate in the dismantling of limiting beliefs, the integration of diverse aspects of your being, and the expansion of your consciousness. This intentional introspection and self-alignment are essential for achieving transcendence
Self-Perception and Identity:
How do I define myself beyond my roles (e.g., parent, professional)?
What core values guide my decisions and actions?
In what ways have my beliefs about myself changed over the past few years?
Worldview and Perspective:
How do I perceive challenges and setbacks in my life?
Do I see myself as part of a larger community or system? How so?
How do my perspectives on societal issues reflect my current stage of development?
Relationships and Interconnectedness:
How do I relate to others when there is a disagreement or conflict?
In what ways do I support the growth and well-being of those around me?
How do my relationships contribute to my personal growth?
Purpose and Meaning:
What gives my life meaning beyond personal achievements?
How do I contribute to something greater than myself?
In what ways do I seek fulfillment and purpose in my daily activities?
Emotional Regulation and Resilience:
How do I cope with stress and emotional turmoil?
What strategies do I use to maintain emotional balance?
How have my responses to difficult emotions evolved over time?
Learning and Adaptability:
How open am I to changing my opinions or beliefs based on new information?
In what areas of my life am I actively seeking growth and learning?
How do I adapt to unexpected changes or challenges?
Interdependence vs. Independence:
To what extent do I rely on others for support, and how does this impact my sense of self?
How do I balance my independence with my need for connection?
In what ways do I contribute to the well-being of my community or environment?
Ethics and Integrity:
How do my actions align with my personal ethics and morals?
Have there been instances where I compromised my integrity? What did I learn from them?
How do I handle situations that challenge my ethical beliefs?
Vision for the Future:
What are my long-term goals, and how do they reflect my current stage of development?
How do I envision my personal growth over the next five years?
What legacy do I want to leave behind, and how am I working towards it?
Spiritual and Transpersonal Awareness:
Do I engage in practices that connect me to something larger than myself (e.g., meditation, prayer, nature)?
How does my spirituality (if applicable) influence my developmental journey?
In what ways do I seek transcendence or a deeper understanding of existence?