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5 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I'm writing books on spirituality.

"Books"? Wow. Sounds like a lot of work. I imagine writing one is hard enough, but multiple books? Damn. 

@Preety_India What exactly are the different topics you cover in your books?^_^

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@Tim R its also a lot of stuff which is in my oldest journals. All my insights over the past 3 years combined equivalent of 20,000 posts.

 


 INTP loner... .shy girl.. The devil loves me a bit too much. 

Quick access to journal entries

 

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Excellent watch that. There’s only so far ya can go in the time given and respond to whatever questions are asked of. Thought it was a great discussion to listen to ?? 

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Jesus it's so humbling to see Leo like that. 

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3 hours ago, mandyjw said:

Then it wasn't ever really compassion, but a label you stuck over compassion to avoid actually feeling it. 

It takes compassion and selflessness towards others to actually awaken and only THEN is it realized that all others were actually held within your mind all along - the Mind of God.  And God drowns in its own Love for Itself..  Oneness is not realized through selfishness.


 

Wisdom.  Truth.  Love.

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22 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 THEN is it realized that all others were actually held within your mind all along - the Mind of God. 

There's a deep truth here, but it can't be thought. If this insight is owned and held by the mind, no matter WHOSE mind you think "has" it, it's filtered through that particular identification. 

"God" in thought is an archetype, maybe you could even say it's the super ego. The super ego typically is the self critical voice and tries to get you to act moral and good, so you awaken and see that there aren't two of you, there is no actual super ego, and no threat behind it. But if you replace that voice with another voice that says "others aren't real", "I'm the only one here", you have not made any progress but just changed the beliefs of the super ego, you've changed morality and shoulds to the morality of having NO morality. 

It's the house swept clean that the demon invites seven more along with it to come occupy. 

It's a poor substitute for Source. There's no one who secures themselves after an awakening as the knower of anything. There's no one willing to trade actual love for the thought of love. 


My Youtube Channel- Light on Earth “We dance round in a ring and suppose, but the Secret sits in the middle and knows.”― Robert Frost

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4 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

There's a deep truth here, but it can't be thought. If this insight is owned and held by the mind, no matter WHOSE mind you think "has" it, it's filtered through that particular identification. 

Yes.  It must be genuine.

6 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

"God" in thought is an archetype, maybe you could even say it's the super ego.

The map is not the territory :)

 


 

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4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sam Harris would be the most difficult person to talk to by far. Deconstructing his mind would be impossible.

Why are you assuming you have to deconstruct people's minds. 

Do you want to have these conversations to "win" them?

Don't even bother with people like Sam Harris or JP. Even if you win, you lose.

If you ever went to Joe Rogan for example, you'd be better off just having a totally chill conversation (maybe alongside throwing some nuggets of wisdom here and there), instead of focusing on deconstructing his mind and stuff. You could talk about nutrition, how the work has changed your life, some interesting stuff you definitely have up your sleeve, etc etc. Just flow with the conversation.

Going in there as the cool dude you already are would definitely bring you a lot more people.


Enslavement by illusion is comfortable. It is the liberation by Truth that people fear.

The false dissolves when it is discovered. 

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6 hours ago, Cykaaaa said:

Why are you assuming you have to deconstruct people's minds. 

 

Depending on where one's baseline consciousness is, and how open minded, awakening can happen with self inquiry alone - I would like to see Leo emphasize this a bit more.  There may be spiritually gifted folks out there that don't even know it yet.

So yeah it is not always necessary to do a complete deconstruction of paradigms - depending on how tightly they are held -because meditation and self inquiry into the self (which is a form of deconstruction but of the self) can trigger a profound mystical experience that will shatter previous paradigms on its own.   Or at least encourage them to delve into the teachings here in a serious way.

But perhaps since most normies are not gonna have mystical experiences via meditation it wasn't worth discussing in more depth with the time allotted.  You gotta remember he had a limited amount of time with which to work.

 


 

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4 hours ago, Cykaaaa said:

Why are you assuming you have to deconstruct people's minds. 

That's what I teach.

I'm not gonna let some like Sam Harris sit there and bullshit me with fake science and logic.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

1000+

Sadhguru, Spira, and Tolle don't say anything of substance. They just give vague allusions to things. I have no interest in such talk.

Sadhguru, Spira, and Tolle have not taken on the task of deconstructing science or materialism for example, or explaining that you are God. My work is very different from such gurus. My work is much more technical and intellectual. I talk about complex models and metaphysics and epistemology and philosophy and politics, etc. Sadhguru tells stupid stories about Shankara and Pilai.

Someone like Spira also has a very niche audience of hardcore nondualists who he preaches to. And to a general audience he says simple things like close your eyes and feel your awareness. I don't do that kind of stuff.

Tolle does not go to a scientist and try to tell him that his entire worldview is a lie.

Besides, these people are not even fully awake. They could not tell you what God is, and they never have.

All of these teachers adapt their teachings to meet people where they are at. So they may tell something that is not true in an absolute sense but is exactly what someone needs to hear. How could you possibly know how awake they are ? Or if they know what God is ? Maybe if you talked to them privately or experienced a spiritual transmission from them they would blow you mind. 

I remember you comparing Sadhguru to Jesus. If Sadhguru is not fully awake then who is ?? 

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By the way @Leo Gura, I don't know if that was suggested yet, but an interview/conversation with @Nahm would be very interesting !

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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are Infinite Love. There's no need for compassion once you realize what you are and there is no one but yourself to be compassionate towards. So you just fall in love with yourself. Which is just to say you ARE Love.

You feel Love so deeply it kills you. Death by Love.

Would you say compassion is at least an important/possibly inevitable stepping stone on the path to Infinite Love? Similar to moving through Stage Green in order to arrive at SD Tier 2. Compassion for “others” seems to be the most obvious way of embodying Self-Love, at least from a normie perspective.

In any case, I enjoy being as compassionate as I can at this stage of my development.

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38 minutes ago, knakoo said:

All of these teachers adapt their teachings to meet people where they are at. So they may tell something that is not true in an absolute sense but is exactly what someone needs to hear. How could you possibly know how awake they are ? Or if they know what God is ? Maybe if you talked to them privately or experienced a spiritual transmission from them they would blow you mind. 

I remember you comparing Sadhguru to Jesus. If Sadhguru is not fully awake then who is ?? 

Arrogance and assumptions 101.

I mean sure, they don't do all that, but maybe they reach more people by not doing that, and that's the point.

Leo goal is not to reach a lot of people, but to help to go deeper for people that are already relatively deep.

I can't see why Leo has to compare himself to those guys, like they complement each other, but the way he phrases it is that they are stupid and useless compared to him ...

Edited by Shin

Spirituality is not the renunciation of life

It is the art of living fully

 

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There is a pinned thread called "Nonduality wars not allowed here" and then Leo himself constantly bashing other Non-dual teachers whos style is different from his or maybe Ken Wilbers who is also kind of a spiritual elitist in many ways. 

Just because someone has high IQ and talks about complex models does not mean they are any more awake than a teacher who does not do so. 

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Deconstructivists don't like to be deconstructed do they 

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39 minutes ago, Matt Skinner said:

Would you say compassion is at least an important/possibly inevitable stepping stone on the path to Infinite Love?

Sure

But don't forget, murder can also be a stepping stone to Infinite Love.

Everything is a stepping stone in its own way.

30 minutes ago, Shin said:

I can't see why Leo has to compare himself to those guys...

It's not about comparing me to anyone.

It's about guiding you to the deepest consciousness possible. You will not reach the deepest consciousness using their weak sauce. I'm very serious about this. I don't give a rats ass about being better than those people. What I care about is you getting stuck at some nothingness or no-self state.

Nonduality is not full God-realization. All paths do not lead to the same place.

There exists a place of Infinite Consciousness. If you dare, I will meet you there.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But don't forget, murder can also be a stepping stone to Infinite Love.

Everything is a stepping stone in its own way.

Ah right. Gotcha

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1 hour ago, knakoo said:

How could you possibly know how awake they are ?

How could you determine someone’s level of English speaking?

Since you are fluent in English, you could easily tell the difference between beginner, intermediate and advanced levels.

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