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7 minutes ago, AlterEgo said:

@Leo Gura Guaranteed a decent portion of new listeners have resonated with you and are intrigued by your statements.  And have now started down a new path of questioning.   

Well, that's an open question. We'll see about that.

7 minutes ago, AlterEgo said:

What is your goal with being interviewed?

To guide people to Infinite Love.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To guide people to Infinite Love.

Thanks 

How did Ben and them feel about the whole thing?  

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"Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"   --   Marry Poppins

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@Leo Gura Never underestimate the value in planting seeds. The first time I saw one of your videos I was completely turned off, utterly disgusted, no offense. But somehow what you were talking about just felt too radical not to keep digging into... And I am eternally grateful for YOU that I did. I would not be where I am had I not stumbled into your content. 

 These types of interviews even if not proving very fruitful at the surface, can very well be planting these seeds in others at the depths. Even if they don't look into your teachings more, they may stumble into another spiritual teacher because of what they heard you talking about. I would encourage you to keep going with these every so often. You may find you get better at nailing down effective ways at communicating with those at a lower level. 

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5 minutes ago, Matt23 said:

How did Ben and them feel about the whole thing?

I have no idea. I have not heard anything negative. I assumed Charlie was happy with it. But who knows.

The thing is, his Orange audience will turn on him if he goes too far into Turquoise/mysticism. They will eat him alive. So these types of interview could earn him some backlash. Anyone who associates with my ideas too much will face backlash from normies: "How dare you invite his lunatic to your show! I trusted you."


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@Leo Gura maybe you should just talk about more digestible topics on there? like some orange/green concepts might be useful. in a way that just nudges them slightly to more open-mindedness 

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6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My only frustration is not enough time.

I enjoyed the conversation. These kind of conversations are very easy for me. The problem is dumbing it down to a level the audience can follow. Dumbing it down in the right way takes a lot of skill and I still need to get better at that.

we appreciate that so much

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53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 Anyone who associates with my ideas too much will face backlash from normies: "How dare you invite his lunatic to your show! I trusted you."

Now that there breaks my heart.? But Yeah, I feel like a lot of joe Rogans audience would be like "bro! Who is this guy, hes on that other shit!" Its like, how is the world going to improve with people having that kind of attitude. That's why your ideas might be best suited for the education system. To reach the unborn before they turn into morons. But, changing the education system is a whole fucking colossal of a task. The government decides on what to teach, so how do you even begin to rework that system? It's really like punching a brick wall. 

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I think the important thing being missed here is; 

The emphasis is erroneously put on intellectually and verbally explaining God. However, the true teaching is not verbal, nor intellectual. The true teaching lies in the embodiment of God. Without it, the words have no strength or power. ‘Who you are speaks so loud I cannot hear what you say’. That is why the guru himself IS the teaching. His presence IS the teaching.

Trying to convince normies is a fools agenda. Those who are ripe will naturally discover the Truth. When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

 

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I think Leo did a great job!

And it is not exactly easy topics to discuss either and they go really deep, so deep indeed that lots of normies would get a psychosis ?

I really think that it is great Leo is making an appearance on different open minded podcasts because he is really wise and people will listen, and let the close minded people be close minded it is normal.

I think the first 10 minutes were a bit off but as it progressed it became better and better.

Leo im proud of you! Srsly, being a follower of your channel and work for 2 years now it is really nice to see you evolve.

Keep it up ?

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@Leo GuraHe gave you loaded questions which can't be answered so casually. 

As someone who watches all your videos, I enjoyed watching you be interviewed.  I'd like to see you on Paul Chek, or Aubrey Marcus (just don't talk to them about vax's!)

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Honestly I feel that the podcast when really well. Charlie genuinely surprised me with his open mindedness and willingness to try and understand certain topics. I didn't think you guys were gonna get right into the meat of things, and talk about Consciousness, God etc. 

Leo your clarity of thought and conversational ability are quite impressive. 

Even before watching it, I knew that there would be some challenges for Leo. As Leo has said, its literally impossible to fully explain this stuff in a short space of time! It simply can't be done - no matter how good with words you are. It requires such a an enormous amount of additional theory, as well as actual personal experience.

I feel grateful that I have years and years of context and direct experience for what Leo is talking about. So I understood everything. But of course this isn't gonna be the case for most viewers. 

@Leo Gura Do you think you learned a lot from the experience? Looking forward to seeing how you tackle the next barrage of podcast questions! :D 

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i feel like Leo would be a great guest on Joe Rogans podcast. 

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Seems like this adds to my hypothesis from 2 months ago :P

On 14.3.2021 at 5:10 PM, Carl-Richard said:

Although I don't see the reason to have zero discussions at all, the path that Leo has taken with Actualized.org is, shall we say, quite inaccessible to most people, and disproportionately so compared to other non-duality teachings (as has been clearly demonstrated in previous comments). Therefore, at this point, any deliberate attempts to extend your outreach will most likely not be worth the time, because 1. the majority of the impact will consist of fresh newbies who will be taken too aback by the teachings, and 2. people who are ready for such teachings are doing whatever they can to look for it and will most likely find it anyway or have already found it (I mean how hard is it to find a 1 million subscriber YouTube channel?).

 

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1 hour ago, Meta-Man said:

I think the important thing being missed here is; 

The emphasis is erroneously put on intellectually and verbally explaining God. However, the true teaching is not verbal, nor intellectual. The true teaching lies in the embodiment of God. Without it, the words have no strength or power. ‘Who you are speaks so loud I cannot hear what you say’. That is why the guru himself IS the teaching. His presence IS the teaching.

Have you seen how Stage Orange people react to that approach? "He is saying a bunch of nothing, talking in riddles, woo-woo spiritual bullshit". There is a reason many people even on this forum don't vibe with people like Sadhguru (and he's not even the worst offender in this field!). I think the "L-mode" approach is not such a strategical mishap as you portray it to be. I think quite to the contrary.

 

1 hour ago, Meta-Man said:

Trying to convince normies is a fools agenda. Those who are ripe will naturally discover the Truth. When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

Well, we certainly agree there, but wasn't that the main reason for doing the interview in the first place? :P I remember some people saying that discussions will add depth and nuance to what has already been presented in the 2hr monologues, but 1. that is certainly not the case for first-time interviews (and frankly just the interview format in general), and 2. especially not if you want newbies to follow what is being said.

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2 hours ago, diamondpenguin said:

how do you even begin to rework that system?

Actualized.org ;)

1 hour ago, Meta-Man said:

The true teaching lies in the embodiment of God. Without it, the words have no strength or power. ‘Who you are speaks so loud I cannot hear what you say’. That is why the guru himself IS the teaching. His presence IS the teaching.

You assume a normie will get it. They won't. I can sit there in full God-mode and the normie would be like, "This dude is insane. He says nothing and probably high on drugs. He proved nothing to me."

YOU get embodiment because you are deep student of this work. Charlie's audience does not get embodiment. They wil just see a hippie.

I once showed a video of Peter Ralston to a guy and told him, "Look this dude is really enlightened." And the guy said, "He looks insane." and that was the end of the conversation.

51 minutes ago, Space said:

@Leo Gura Do you think you learned a lot from the experience? Looking forward to seeing how you tackle the next barrage of podcast questions! :D 

I learned to be more direct and concrete with my responses and examples. My mind is very abstract and most people can't follow the abstractions. They need simple, simple examples -- which are harder for me to generate than abstractions. Generating crystal clear examples on the fly is not easy.

In retrospect, if Charlie ever again asks me, "How do you know you are love? Isn't is just a memory?" I will ask him, "How do you know you were born? Isn't that just a memory? How do you know you have a mother? How do you know orgasms are real?"

Two can play that game.

See, responses like that would tighten up the conversation. But it's not so easy to whip out pithy responses like that which stop a silly question dead in the water. Generating such pithy responses is actually not a casual conversation, it's very laser targeted and premeditated. You have to anticipate how the question will place you into a long multi-threaded explanatory chain and cut it off at the root by flipping it back on the questioner. It is more like verbal combat.


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need to get a new haircut right now but Will watch the episode with no judgement.

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27 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Have you seen how Stage Orange people react to that approach? "He is saying a bunch of nothing, talking in riddles, woo-woo spiritual bullshit". There is a reason many people even on this forum don't vibe with people like Sadhguru (and he's not even the worst offender in this field!). I think the "L-mode" approach is not such a strategical mishap as you portray it to be. I think quite to the contrary.

But why try to cater to people who don’t yearn for Truth in the first place? Let them swim and drown in their orange juice. It is what they want. They are free to seek out Truth if they want but they simply are not inclined to do it. In this sense they are exercising their freedom every moment. And what’s up with strategy? Are we supposed to be missionaries of Truth now? Are we gonna knock on peoples doors handing out Non-Duality pamphlets?

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You assume a normie will get it. They won't. I can sit there in full God-mode and the normie would be like, "This dude is insane. He says nothing and probably high on drugs. He proved nothing to me."

My assumption is that they will never get it. Only those who are ripe will ever get it and they are never normies. And that is 99% down to genetics.

I once showed a video of Peter Ralston to a guy and told him, "Look this dude is really enlightened." And the guy said, "He looks insane." and that was the end of the conversation.

Of course. And Ramana is a loonie in a diaper.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

My assumption is that they will never get it. Only those who are ripe will ever get it and they are never normies. And that is 99% down to genetics.

Well, I would think that more than 1% of folks comprehended my answers to Charlie. It wasn't exactly rocket science.

Honestly, if one can't understand what I told Charlie, what is the point of following my work?

If it's just a numbers game then the Charlie convo was a success. I would think at least 20% got it.

So the question is, how many people have to get it for it to count as a success? If 1000 people watch Eckhart Tolle and 10 of them convert, does that mean Tolle did well? Can Tolle convert 500 of them?


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14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So the question is, how many people have to get it for it to count as a success?

And the next question is, on what level and how deeply do they have to get it for it to count as success?

But sure, fair point. I guess it can serve as an entry point for that one in a million student.

 

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2 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

And the next question is, on what level and how deeply do they have to get it for it to count as success?

I am happy if they just come and watch some videos with an open mind.

What I don't like is people demonizing the work as if it isn't something serious.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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