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1 hour ago, Cykaaaa said:

maybe don't spend so much time talking about confusions and defense mechanisms and instead try to get to the point asap.

That is not possible because without addressing the confusions and defense mechanisms it will not penetrate the mind.

The mind has an immune-system-like shield which instantly gets activated when any serious metaphysical issue is brought up, or any serious deconstruction is done.

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I feel like you didn't really address the questions Charlie asked because of your strategy.

It may feel that way to you, but if you listen to the entire thing, I answered all his questions. It just took some time.

If you ask me a question like, "What are the problems of science?" or "How important were psychedelics in your life?", there is no quick way to answer that such that a normie would get it.


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This super scheptical/scientific/non-bias attitude that Leo is proposing in the interview doesn't make sense since it would lead you to nihilism because chosing survival over non-survival is a bias, why would we consider survival good? Isn't it an assumption society is taken for granted and need to be questioned? Why don't just suicide?

 

This hiperational attitude doesn't make sense. There's profound knowledge in the common sense.

Also, he assumes that there are narratives (as the big bang scientific narrative) that models our understanding our reality, which is ver doubtful. Again, he is incurring in a hyperrationalism, where the ideas -scientific narrative here- frame our regular understanding of reality.

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5 minutes ago, RedLine said:

This super scheptical/scientific/non-bias attitude that Leo is proposing in the interview doesn't make sense since it would lead you to nihilism because chosing survival over non-survival is a bias, why would we consider survival good? Isn't it an assumption society is taken for granted and need to be questioned? Why don't just suicide?

 

This hiperational attitude doesn't make sense. There's profound knowledge in the common sense.

Also, he assumes that there are narratives (as the big bang scientific narrative) that models our understanding our reality, which is ver doubtful. Again, he is incurring in a hyperrationalism, where the ideas -scientific narrative here- frame our regular understanding of reality.

I mean everyone is getting lost in the context of the thing. What is the purpose of the podcast:

1. To better science 

2. Promote the discovery of the universe through psychedelics

3. And market that stuff to mainstream human culture


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10 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

I mean everyone is getting lost in the context of the thing. What is the purpose of the podcast:

1. To better science 

2. Promote the discovery of the universe through psychedelics

3. And market that stuff to mainstream human culture

 

What does the purpose of the podcast has to do with I was saying? I was just discussing a point he made in the video.

Regarding the points you are making, are you sure it is a good thing normies access to that kind of stuff? You will have a bunch of Connor Murphys, this path is very dangerous. I personally think people should keep their regular lifes if they are more or less ok with them and I never talk in public about mysticism.

 

Also, the state of the sciences is ok, the problems arise precisely when scientific doesn't make scientific and make asserts about other stuff out of his field, like ontological or theological claims

 

 

 

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That's the catch-22 of this business.

On the one hand you guys want me out there talking to people on normie shows.

Then when those normies fail to understand anything or run amok, then you say: Look what you did, Leo!

Pick what you want: 1) Do you want normies to know about God, or 2) Do you not?

If you want normies to know about God, then realize that they will fuck it up badly, as they have for the last 2000 years. Or if you don't, then stop telling me that I should go on Joe Rogan and such.

How do you imagine Joe Rogan fans will react to what I teach? They will think I'm insane and they will blame Rogan for having me on. That's how normies react to Truth. I can't fix that. There is no way to make Actualized.org a mainstream accepted teaching. That expectation deeply misunderstands the depth of the epistemic quagmire society is in.

God cannot be mainstreamed. Not unless you completely pervert it into falsehood.


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Yeah, it was really clunky early on when there was a perception of separation between Leo’s consciousness and the consciousness of the audience that put up barriers that Leo had to take down one by one as fast as he can. I have the benefit of familiarity with Leo’s content and speaking style, but I’m not sure I’d watch this video without it. I wouldn’t know what to make of it. Just agree with Leo on “how does anyone know anything”, apply it to him, and shut the video off most likely. The first half seems like more of a struggle to be understood than a conversation. It flowed better midway through, though.

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Leo looks like a baby lol :D Handsome too. 


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Let’s be honest, it wasn’t a good performance. He came off as stressed out, talking too fast, lacking in spontaneity and trying a bit too hard.

Ironically he himself came off as defensive right off the bat, assuming the listeners are too dense to understand anything, which they well might be, but it’s not a healthy/open space to come from. This disrupts his energy/presence/flow/authenticity.

I understand there was little time. But instead of trying very hard, in a mechanical way, to compress all his stuff as much as possible, I think, ideally, he should let go, relax, and let the conversation simply go wherever it goes. Let go of the need for people to understand. The bird on the branch sings it song even when nobody’s listening.

Energetically, it was too much about Leo, and too little about God. But I’m sure that all in all, this experience ends up being humbling.

All in all, ‘getting out of his basement’, stepping on a new stage and interacting with humans, getting out of his comfort zone is good for his growth. I’m sure things will improve over time.

*This is not at attack on Leo, just my observations/constructive criticism. 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

let the conversation simply go wherever it goes.

That's exactly what makes a conversation confusing.

If I let the conversation just go anywhere, nothing would be understood at all. Letting someone pepper you with random questions about God is a recipe for disaster.

Let me try to pepper you with random rapid-fire questions like:

  • Does God exist?
  • What is God?
  • How do you know?
  • But what if you're deluded?
  • But what if you're hallucinating?
  • Prove it to me
  • But science says there is no God
  • But science says your enlightenment experiences are just brain activity
  • If God exists, why did the Holocaust happen?
  • What if truth is just pragmatism?

These questions cannot just be asked casually in conversation.

You can't be like, "Relax, just have a casual conversation, bro. Don't worry about anything."

And then be like, "Bro! You didn't explain God in a slam-dunk way like you do in a 3 hr prepared lecture."

A casual conversation meanders and explains little.

If anything I'm getting criticized for being too casual. I was just having a pleasant conversation with Charlie. I was not trying to build a rock solid case for anything. This was not some logical proof I was constructing. He asked me random questions and I answered them with awareness to how my answers would trigger normie defenses. I was not nervous or tense at all. These kind of talks are very easy for me personally. The problem is that a casual convo will not explain Truth to any normie listening in.

If you ask me for a random example of a scientific paradigm change, and I respond with Einstein, this will tell you nothing about why science is fundamentally misguided.


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13 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Let’s be honest, it wasn’t a good performance. He came off as stressed out, talking too fast, lacking in spontaneity and trying a bit too hard.

Ironically he himself came off as defensive right off the bat, assuming the listeners are too dense to understand anything, which they well might be, but it’s not a healthy/open space to come from. This disrupts his energy/presence/flow/authenticity.

I understand there was little time. But instead of trying very hard, in a mechanical way, to compress all his stuff as much as possible, I think, ideally, he should let go, relax, and let the conversation simply go wherever it goes. Let go of the need for people to understand. The bird on the branch sings it song even when nobody’s listening.

It is clear he needs to be humbled further. But I’m sure that all in all, this experience ends up being humbling.

All in all, ‘getting out of his basement’, stepping on a new stage and interacting with humans, getting out of his comfort zone is good for his growth. I’m sure things will improve over time.

*This is not at attack on Leo, just my observations/constructive criticism. 

 

 

I think the interview is pretty good in general terms. Through conversation format I get new nuances about his message.

What always mindfuck me is the solipsistic stuff. A question for you: You claim you are enlightened. Do you experience solipsism (or whatever you can call it what he is explaining) too?

 

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5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't be like, "Relax, just have a casual conversation, bro. Don't worry about anything."

Yes you can. You have to let go of that worry eventually. Let go of the need for people to understand.

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If I let the conversation just go anywhere, nothing would be understood at all. Letting someone pepper you with random questions about God is a recipe for disaster.

I see awakening people interviewed about reality all the time. They don’t stress out, arent’t trying to ‘get anywhere’. They relax and let God do the talking. ‘I listen to the questions and I listen to the answers’. This energy is so much more clear and powerful. 

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These question cannot just be ask casually in conversation.

You can't be like, "Relax, just have a casual conversation, bro. Don't worry about anything."

And then be like, "Bro! You didn't explain everything like you do in a 3 hr prepared lecture."

Notice how defensive you are in this thread

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

And then be like, "Bro! You didn't explain everything like you do in a 3 hr prepared lecture."

I’m not like that. This is an expectation you have put on yourself that stresses you out.

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7 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Yes you can. You have to let go of that worry eventually. Let go of the need for people to understand.

I didn't have any worry. You assume I did for some odd reason.

You frame it as though I had some desperate need for people to understand. No.

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I see awakening people interviewed about reality all the time. They don’t stress out, arent’t trying to ‘get anywhere’. They relax and let God do the talking. ‘I listen to the questions and I listen to the answers’.

I wasn't stressing out.

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Notice how defensive you are in this thread

Sigh... you just can't win with some people.

You are the one who's framing me as defensive. But, hey, you are constructing your reality, so frame away.


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14 minutes ago, RedLine said:

You claim you are enlightened.

I don’t. 

15 minutes ago, RedLine said:

Do you experience solipsism (or whatever you can call it what he is explaining) too?

If you want to call it solipsism, yes, when I stop imagining I am a body and become aware that I am Universal Consciousness, there are no others and the only thing that is actual is whatever is ‘percieved’ right there in the moment.

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4 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Yes you can. You have to let go of that worry eventually. Let go of the need for people to understand.

I see awakening people interviewed about reality all the time. They don’t stress out, arent’t trying to ‘get anywhere’. They relax and let God do the talking. ‘I listen to the questions and I listen to the answers’. This energy is so much more clear and powerful. 

Notice how defensive you are in this thread

I’m not like that. This is an expectation you have put on yourself that stresses you out.

Man he wants to be responsable about what he tells to the audience so a little tension is need, if you are in relax mode then you are less rigorous, the interview is good

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Leo you're right, you totally have to work on the skill of dumbing-down the way you explain your understanding.  This video feels far too radical for any casual or newbie listener.  The wisdom is of course there, it's just a matter of speaking in a more relatable way to 'normies'.

 

So bring on more podcasts!

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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I didn't have any worry. You assume I did for some odd reason.

You frame it as though I had some desperate need for people to understand. No.

 

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I wasn't stressing out.

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I read energy, and that is what I experienced. But it doesn’t really matter.

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sigh... you just can't win with some people.

You’ve already won me over, I’ve enjoyed alot of your content. Just chill

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1 minute ago, Meta-Man said:

I don’t. 

If you want to call it solipsism, yes, when I stop imagining I am a body and become aware that I am Universal Consciousness, there are no others and the only thing that is actual is whatever is ‘percieved’ right there in the moment.

Ok thank you, I guess what differs Leo from others mystic is, more than the experience, that it make sense to him to bring that into words and for other it doesn't.

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7 minutes ago, AlterEgo said:

So bring on more podcasts!

I don't even know if I want to at this rate because there is no benefit in it for me when people are so set on misunderstanding what is said.

It's like a projection nightmare.

These ideas will only make sense to the right audience. I cannot take a room full of clueless, closedminded materialists and convince them of anything spiritual. To attempt such feats is an exercise in stupidity and demeaning to my intelligence.

That's what's called casting pearls before swine.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Posted (edited)

"you have to bite the bullet of consciousness" lol xD 

Honestly and not to kiss Leo's ass.. He was very good and I didn't perceive any of the stuff people say about how he avoided answering questions. 

He made an incredibly good point when asked "how do you know "..stuff like infinite love etc 

1.how do you know anything?

2. By becoming conscious of it directly. And there is no other way of knowing. And this cannot be doubted. Because consciousness is all there is.  And given that he became conscious of infinite love and whatnot he knows its true that everything is a manifestation of love Yada Yada. Very good explanation.  I liked that part and it was very useful because I was puzzled by the same issue and that clarified stuff for me. 

Bravo Leo ?

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I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
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@Leo Gura Guaranteed a decent portion of new listeners have resonated with you and are intrigued by your statements.  And have now started down a new path of questioning.   

What is your goal with being interviewed?

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