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Are YOU Leo's new girlfriend? (serious)

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2 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

But has any woman tried?

I don't even remember. Doesn't matter.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's questionable in a relationship context.

The problem is the ego loves to co-opt spirituality and consciousness for survival. It's a very deceptive and murky process.

Definitely, but don't forget, its universal. Why are people on here trying to get enlightened other then so they can turn into some messiah to be blunt about it?

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem is the ego loves to co-opt spirituality and consciousness for survival. It's a very deceptive and murky process.

Yep that's a huge problem, and as a mystic its your job to kind of eliminate that. I don't think sitting in a cave will resolve that. If anything sitting in a cave will allow the ego to spiritually bypass the shadows found in relationships. 

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But hey, I'm sick of preaching this stuff. Go contemplate how your dating and relationships truly work for yourselves. If you dare.

I have personally, and I bet many on here have aswell. But once you've done the dare and saw how terribly egoic and survivalish and horrible your relationships are, you gotta swing the pendulum back to add in the conscious aspects ;)

And btw, except for some of the women, not many on here think relationships aren't all survival, infact they are too far in that direction, they have more along the lines of red pill mentality then lovey dovy sort of stuff. 

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9 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

I don't think sitting in a cave will resolve that. If anything sitting in a cave will allow the ego to spiritually bypass the shadows found in relationships.

I'm not sitting in a cave. I was trying to create a deep romantic relationship. I will create a video about Conscious Relationships in the future. Once you see it, you'll see me in a different light. I just haven't had the time to shoot it yet.

Nothing I said is Redpill. I got no animosity towards women and I disagree with most of the Redpill philosophy. It's absurdly self-biased.


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14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Accept it and move on.

Moving on means seeing that our love for you is conditional helps us see that our love for God is unconditional ;)

Which means we should love the fact that we only care about you because you provide us value, if we cared about you for who you are, how the fuck would we let you go to get enlightened?

Its a beautiful dance of getting and chucking away, like elegantly designed staircases to heaven. 

Its not all just you're a fucken horrible piece of shit because all you care about is survival. Yeah we are horrible pieces of shit, and that's beautiful because it helps us see that we are all infinite love. 

 

You said in the past that you want to go into a cave. I was basing it on that.

And I didn't say you have redpill garbage, I said your followers do, so the stuff you say might not be appropriate for them.

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3 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

Its not all just you're a fucken horrible piece of shit

You're not horrible, you're just engaging in creating illusions and playing sneaky games. That's life as a human. It's sneaky.


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48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It would be much simpler if you just came out and said: "I am a selfish devil and I want sex under conditions X, Y, Z because that's what serves me best." But of course you cannot do that because it harms your survival. Your community will judge you for it and you can't stomach admitting to yourself just how selfish you are. So you must keep all your true motivations and conditions secret, even from yourself.

That’s basically an arranged marriage in Indian culture. Imo they do really well. People tend to confuse it with forced marriage, they’re different. 

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10 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

That’s basically an arranged marriage in Indian culture. Imo they do really well. People tend to confuse it with forced marriage, they’re different. 

Biggest bias. The marriage between my father and mother was an arranged marriage. They were never happy 

The marriage between my older cousin and his wife was a love marriage. They're extremely happy. 

Just because somebody doesn't divorce doesn't automatically mean that the marriage is doing well 

 

I see thousands of Indian men stuck in arrange marriages flocking online to flirt with younger women, often times cheating on their wives and expressing their displeasure in their marriages and whining how they married only because of their parents. 

Not a very happy picture I say where the wife doesn't know what the husband is doing behind her back!! 

 


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20 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Biggest bias. The marriage between my father and mother was an arranged marriage. They were never happy 

The marriage between my older cousin and his wife was a love marriage. They're extremely happy. 

Just because somebody doesn't divorce doesn't automatically mean that the marriage is doing well 

 

I see thousands of Indian men stuck in arrange marriages flocking online to flirt with younger women, often times cheating on their wives and expressing their displeasure in their marriages and whining how they married only because of their parents. 

Not a very happy picture I say where the wife doesn't know what the husband is doing behind her back!! 

 

Don’t know what you’re on about.

I know many successful arranged marriages, even among younger generations.

They don’t have to suck if done the right way. What you’re describing is forced marriage. The husband wouldn’t cheat if he wasn’t forced into it. 

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9 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

Don’t know what you’re on about.

I know many successful arranged marriages, even among younger generations.

They don’t have to suck if done the right way. What you’re describing is forced marriage. The husband wouldn’t cheat if he wasn’t forced into it. 

Haha what a joke.

 


INTP loner..... Live a Roman.  Die a Roman...... Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream. Love it. (I'm more Roman than you'll ever be ) only guys with zero ego and zero passive aggressive can talk to me, rest need not bother 

Preety preety

 

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@electroBeam Could you list some aspects of romantic relationships that you consider to be not survival based?


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1 hour ago, Akemrelax said:

That’s basically an arranged marriage in Indian culture. Imo they do really well. People tend to confuse it with forced marriage, they’re different. 

Except the problem there is that it's the parents' whose survival needs are being met there while the survival needs of the partners is often being ignored.

You're dealing with 4 competing survival needs there: husband, husband's parents, wife, wife's parents. Which makes for a very loaded political game. It will be difficult for Truth and Love to compete with all those interests.


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24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Except the problem there is that it's the parents' whose survival needs are being met there while the survival needs of the partners is often being ignored.

You're dealing with 4 competing survival needs there: husband, husband's parents, wife, wife's parents. Which makes for a very loaded political game. It will be difficult for Truth and Love to compete with all those interests.

It can be but if your parents are understanding and yours and their survival needs don’t conflict, it can be really good.

Many kids ask their parents to get them arranged too. 

“Normal” marriages have problems too, problems can happen in any relationship.

The point was it’s very close to being direct about what each party wants without much BS.

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DAMNNN IT! I'm late, where do I sign up? xD

@Leo Gura You've been talking about this conscious relationships vid for a while now, I think we would all benefit from it, plus solving the romantic side would free us time to do more PD work.. 

I have a question for you: Nowadays I mostly watch your content and Matt Kahn's, I feel like Matt Kahn is the heart and you are the mind, to love you don't need to understand and sometimes I question myself if I should take one approach or the other, since being in my feminine seems to be much easier than understanding all the complexities of the mind, do you think at some point you will be more heart centered as you approach enlightment or your style will still be very rational?


"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Shakespeare

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2 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

It can be but if your parents are understanding and yours and their survival needs don’t conflict, it can be really good.

Relationships are already hard enough with gaps in understanding between partners. And now you're also expecting the understanding from parents to be factored in. 

You need to understand the problem of "generational gap." 

You're completely ignoring the needs of millions of young Indian boys and girls who are fed up with the interference from their parents, not giving them privacy to experience a relationship freely without putting their noses into everything. 

The biggest factor why the divorce rate is very low in India is because most women aren't financially independent and have nowhere else to go other than their husbands. 

This gives a competitive advantage to men in India and they can easily say that the marriage is successful meanwhile completely ignoring how the Indian woman feels in the marriage. 

Wait for women in India to become financially independent in large numbers and you will see the divorce rates climb like in western countries. 

More women will stop putting up with their husband's bad behaviors because they will have better survival options. 

You're trying to paint this rosy picture of marriages in India. 

However, the truth is far from this 

If marriages in India were such a blissful situation, then my fellow indian girl friends would have been more than eager to marry. No they don't. They have suffered generational trauma and they don't want what their mommies went through. 

They want to be single more than ever and they want financial freedom and they want nice boyfriends but they don't want marriage. 

They see marriage as a cage. That says a lot about the Indian marriage system

It's a patriarchal trap meant to benefit men and their families. The women are supposed to supply the needs of the male by producing him heirs (especially sons because sons are so valued in India that daughters are aborted) and she is supposed to be this submissive Stepford wife with no needs of her own

 

And If the Indian woman ever expressed any needs she will be gaslighted as selfish. 

Is that the reason why If I ever even wear a lipstick guys on the street catcall and call me a slut for just being myself??? 

So much for supporting women eh!!! 


INTP loner..... Live a Roman.  Die a Roman...... Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream. Love it. (I'm more Roman than you'll ever be ) only guys with zero ego and zero passive aggressive can talk to me, rest need not bother 

Preety preety

 

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43 minutes ago, tsuki said:

@electroBeam Could you list some aspects of romantic relationships that you consider to be not survival based?

We could categorise what's survival vs what's not survival based, but I don't think I'm qualified to answer that. A consensus from men and women here would certainly yield a substantial list that would give a better indication.

Rather I'd like to think that approach and attitude constitutes that of a conscious romantic relationship more articulately, as opposed to upholding a list of criteria which is to be adhered to. What we all want, regardless of spiritual calibre or inclination, is to see the love, beauty and intelligence that shines through our ignorance and deception, and some of us may be more on board directly with that, while others stagnate within their attachments and need time to penetrate through them by means of suffering or adversity. Regardless of the latter, we are not bound to follow those that are stagnate if we don't want to, and can rather, if its in us, choose to live in a way which honours what we truly want, and demonstrates, or even proves to the ones we're in relationships with, that this want isn't just within you but them as well, and that its just the lack of exposure and perspective to an alternative to the status quo, that's keeping the stagnation in power, and the joy of the present infinite, hidden.

As God, there's deep joy in experiencing ALL of who you truly are, from everything to meditating in a cave, varied careers, varied experiences in holidays AND to varied personal relationships, where the point isn't necessarily focused on maxing out feeling just 1 particular variety of experience, like pleasure from sex, but on broadening it so you can connect the pleasure of sex with other varied experiences, and draw insights between those connections, as to deepen not just the pleasure from sex, but experience/God as a whole. Once you see, for example, the connection between sex and intimacy during holidays, or time of adversity, or bonding over family, you get a deepening of the sex, along with all those other things which makes the experience as a whole deeper and more God like.

The relationship was never about the finite. It was never specifically about her, or you, or the relationship, for that was all ignorance. It was always about the love, intelligence and beauty that shined through it. It was about You. Yet for you to really appreciate the You as fully as you can, the contrast of ignorance, and working through the ignorance is what give the true you its sparkle. Working through the ignorance is the icing on the cake of infinite love. Truly, there are no absolute rules or regulations when it comes to being truly happy, no rules about short term relationships, long term relationships, conventions over birthdays or family get togethers. Rather the rules are scaffolding for building up to seeing Yourself as fully as can be. The rules are to be played so you can deepen yourself with the One. You can choose to do that, or you choose to not play the rules that way and live in stagnation, attachment and misery, its your choice from the free will that you have. 

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11 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Relationships are already hard enough with gaps in understanding between partners. And now you're also expecting the understanding from parents to be factored in. 

You need to understand the problem of "generational gap." 

You're completely ignoring the needs of millions of young Indian boys and girls who are fed up with the interference from their parents, not giving them privacy to experience a relationship freely without putting their noses into everything. 

The biggest factor why the divorce rate is very low in India is because most women aren't financially independent and have nowhere else to go other than their husbands. 

This gives a competitive advantage to men in India and they can easily say that the marriage is successful meanwhile completely ignoring how the Indian woman feels in the marriage. 

Wait for women in India to become financially independent in large numbers and you will see the divorce rates climb like in western countries. 

More women will stop putting up with their husband's bad behaviors because they will have better survival options. 

You're trying to paint this rosy picture of marriages in India. 

However, the truth is far from this 

If marriages in India were such a blissful situation, then my fellow indian girl friends would have been more than eager to marry. No they don't. They have suffered generational trauma and they don't want what their mommies went through. 

They want to be single more than ever and they want financial freedom and they want nice boyfriends but they don't want marriage. 

They see marriage as a cage. That says a lot about the Indian marriage system

It's a patriarchal trap meant to benefit men and their families. The women are supposed to supply the needs of the male by producing him heirs (especially sons because sons are so valued in India that daughters are aborted) and she is supposed to be this submissive Stepford wife with no needs of her own

 

And If the Indian woman ever expressed any needs she will be gaslighted as selfish. 

Is that the reason why If I ever even wear a lipstick guys on the street catcall and call me a slut for just being myself??? 

So much for supporting women eh!!! 

You’re projecting lots of shit! Look if you don’t like my opinions you can just ignore them, it will be best for both of us.

Actually I know plenty of financially independent women who support arranged marriages. Many women like arrange marriages. Not all families are like your family, not all arranged marriages are like the ones you’ve seen.

Arrange marriage is literally your parents referring someone to you. You can reject them. It’s nothing more nothing less.

You sound like a know it all. How about fixing your own relationships before giving advice? 

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Just now, Akemrelax said:

You’re projecting lots of shit! Look if you don’t like my opinions you can just ignore them, it will be best for both of us.

Actually I know plenty of financially independent women who support arranged marriages. Many women like arrange marriages. Not all families are like your family, not all arranged marriages are like the ones you’ve seen.

Arrange marriage is literally your parents referring someone to you. You can reject them. It’s nothing more nothing less.

You sound like a know it all. How about fixing your own relationships before giving advice? 

That's not an advice. It's opinion on the situation of arranged marriages in India. 

And understand this that not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you  on a subject. The subject was Indian marriages. If you don't like my opinions on the Indian system, you're free to disagree, dislike and ignore my opinions. No need to expect that I should look at Indian marriages the same way you do.. 

 


INTP loner..... Live a Roman.  Die a Roman...... Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream. Love it. (I'm more Roman than you'll ever be ) only guys with zero ego and zero passive aggressive can talk to me, rest need not bother 

Preety preety

 

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@electroBeam That is a beautiful answer, exactly the one that I needed to hear and not the one that I wanted. Thank you.


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@electroBeam absolutely beautiful! 


INTP loner..... Live a Roman.  Die a Roman...... Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream. Love it. (I'm more Roman than you'll ever be ) only guys with zero ego and zero passive aggressive can talk to me, rest need not bother 

Preety preety

 

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1 hour ago, Preety_India said:

And If the Indian woman ever expressed any needs she will be gaslighted as selfish. 

43 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

You’re projecting lots of shit! Look if you don’t like my opinions you can just ignore them, it will be best for both of us.

Actually I know plenty of financially independent women who support arranged marriages. Many women like arrange marriages. Not all families are like your family, not all arranged marriages are like the ones you’ve seen.

Arrange marriage is literally your parents referring someone to you. You can reject them. It’s nothing more nothing less.

You sound like a know it all. How about fixing your own relationships before giving advice? 

Your post @Akemrelax is a perfect example of what @Preety_India described as "gaslighting".

It suggests that you are in an arranged marriage, with a "happy wife".

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