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On 29/01/2019 at 4:55 PM, Leo Gura said:

@Jordan94 

Just practice sucking in air slower. As slow as possible.

Just had a big insight about that reading this thread : 

 

Before when I tried to breath more slowly, I was trying to breath more/harder which didn't work that well because it was full fast
Now I see how actually breathing less and training to train the time where we can stay in "air hunger" might be so much better, I'll try it like this now

I'm gonna put 5 minutes of breathing exercice as in the thread above just before my kryia session, I feel like it's gonna help a lot

 

@now is forever  Ok I didn't really picture correctly how it was cleaning with a neti pot, i check this video and now I understand better, it's completly different from what i'm doing now with my little sprays indeed

So I'm just gonna order a neti pot and make my own salt water yea

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@Jordan94 👍

if it still holds on - you maybe need to let a doctor see it. there can be problems with the polyps etc. that narrow the nosetrill passage. not saying it’s that, but   if it holds on like that i would check.

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Question: When you focus on bhrumadhya (not merely for concentration, but for Kriya Pranayama etc.), do you lift your eyes really far up, like the man on the bottom of that website: http://legacyofwisdom.blogspot.com/2013/06/ajna-chakra.html

or more like just a little bit, like this: https://de.123rf.com/photo_40443393_schönen-womans-augen-nach-oben-auf-platz-.html

Is it just slightly, or rather intense?

PS: Obviously the eyes are closed, the pictures are just that one can see how far the eyes are lifted.

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@John West you want to be looking upward and inward like the first picture. Not just upward, you do that to concentrate on the crown chakra. The function of keeping your eyes like that is to aid your concentration, so you should look as far as you can without straining your eyes, they should be relaxed. But find what works for you. The exeption beeing that in the beginning your eyes might be twitchy, if they are then that will go away with time, so is that case i think you should sacrifice some comfort and relaxation to train your eyes. That't what I did.

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4 hours ago, John West said:

Question: When you focus on bhrumadhya (not merely for concentration, but for Kriya Pranayama etc.), do you lift your eyes really far up

That isn't necessary, because the attention, rather than eye position, is key. At some point during the process you will likely feel a pulling sensation at Bhrumadhya that will gather your attention and you will have successfully disassociated your inner vision from your physical eyes which can rest.

Moreover when you start seeing internally, it can mess it up if you are straining your physical eyes. You are not looking through them, let them be.

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3 hours ago, martins name said:

@John West you want to be looking upward and inward like the first picture. Not just upward, you do that to concentrate on the crown chakra.

You would be concentrating on the crown if that was what you were instructed (Hariharananda / Prajnanananda / KYIO teach this). More common is that you are focused on Bhrumadhya.

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I'm only three days into Kriya, and I must say I'm feeling very different. Gaps between thoughts are growing longer, and I can also use the mind more effectively when I'm being creative or have to work something out intellectually. But most importantly, I've started actually sensing that I'm part of something bigger on an experiential level. This morning I've experienced a profound sense of joy and bliss, which is hard to put into words. For me, it's a new kind of feeling. The happiest thing is that it seems to have been lasting for about an hour now, and there has been no mental chatter to back it up whatsoever.

I stick with a 15-minute practice two times per day. It's definitely different from usual meditation. Been meditating regularly for about three months before I got into Kriya, inspired by Leo's latest video. Is there much sense in combining Kriya with mindfulness meditation? Excited to find out what comes next.

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@inFlow Getting less reactive: that's something I've spotted as well. Before I discovered Kriya, I often resorted to a visualisation technique I learnt from Eckhart Tolle, where you have to imagine you're being transparent the moment you feel a triggering scenario is going to emerge from round the corner. With Kriya practice, it's become so much more effective.

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On 1/27/2019 at 0:53 PM, Salvijus said:

There are things that you can do without initiation. 

But there are things witch you can never do without transmission. Transmission is a gift from your guru basicly. It's not your meditation anymore. It's only a seed that your guru gives you and you only have to nurture it and care of it. Then seed will sprout and bear fruits. If you're not initiated nothing will sprout because there's no seed. Maybe your lung capasity will increase only. Maybe some new sensations will arise in you. But your life will not change. Your behavior will not change. Your paterns will not change.

Sadhguru says Improvement can be made without any initiation. But if you want to transform yourself then you need initiation. Transformation means nothing of the old remains

For example when I was doing self-enquiry and mindfulness meditation for 3years I got some benefits like my mental clarity was better, I was becoming smarter, I would get insights about stuff. Something was improving but my life was not changing. My relationships were all the same. My anxiety problems were still the same. My depression didn't go away. I still couldn't open up to people. I was afraid of social interactions. My life was exacly how it was except I was more spiritualy educated and with a better mindfulness over my mind. But when I was initiated into shambhavi my life just flipped upside down in a moment.
Even on the very first day I was already a different person. I could see that I'm doing things I never even imagined doing it. Totally crazy things that were totally unlike me. I could dance, I could sing, i could finally express myself with people so effortlessly. These things were impossible for me. 

Such transformation was definitely not my doing.  It was all sadhguru's doing and his grace that made this happen. It's totally beyond my understanding...

Also don't get me wrong. I still see value in doing self-reflection and other things. It's just that there're things that initiation can do to you beyond your personal effors.

 

 

 

I believe having a guru/disciple relationship should allow for personal interchange between the guru and the disciple. The guru would be available to provide personal instruction specifically for the disciple that he/she knows well. If am not able to have that kind of traditional relationship with a guru than he/she is not a guru in the classic sense.

I believe that, sadly, for most of us the days of that kind of relationship are no longer available. The initiation process that once seemed essential is no longer necessary. Initiation is related to honoring the lineage of gurus and not sharing information. There was a time for that and I believe that time is over. Kriya has now been made available to the masses so to speak and I personally, rely on results to know if what I am doing is effective. Just my 2 cents. I am not sure it is a great idea to believe nothing you have accomplished would have occurred without the blessing of a particular person.

 

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I do 20-minutes of "do nothing" meditation and a few minutes of concentration technique daily. I am thinking about ordering the kriya book which Leo suggested in the "Real Yoga" video. Is it still the preferable way to get started with kriya?

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@pointessa "Initiation is related to honoring the lineage of gurus and not sharing information."

The way initiations happen in Isha are purely to transmit knowledge. Not an objective knowledge that you see in books but a subjective knowledge that can only happen in a commited atmosphere and energy transmission.

I heard sadhguru once said that if you go through the program and you have 0 clue what he was talking about. If you have no understanding what was happening. After 6months of doing the practice you will understand everything that was offered in that program because they don't just talk and talk. They drill this information like a seed in your energy for life and when you do the practice the seed will sprout and you will realise everything that was said in the program from within. It will just sprout out of you. If the seed is not there. If the initiation did not happen nothing will sprout. 

That's why initiations are so fantastic. Because they drill meditation into you on such a deep levels that it's forever. You can't grasp these subjetive dimensions through books. It has to be transmited there's no other way. If it was possible to just write a book on it then his work would be 100times easier. 

@pointessa  "I am not sure it is a great idea to believe nothing you have accomplished would have occurred without the blessing of a particular person."

It's not a belief it's so overhelmingly real for me like my 5 fingers. It's not blessing it's total transformation. People who go through his advanced programs within 24h they transform so much that even their face will change. It's ONLY because of imense energy that's been invested in them through intense initiations. Some people need to be caried by volunteers because they can't stand anymore. 

Don't confuse initiations with stupid blessings you receive in churches.

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It seems nobody wants to answer my silly question.

I try to make more authentic questions:
1) do you still recommend for the newbie to start from JC S's book or Gamana's book is enough? 
2) my ego is a bit afraid to start the practice; I imagine the situation that you may open the channels so fast that may bring huge suffering to life; is it really the case? or someone should practice yoga for years to achieve it?

9_9

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@dimitri Im using JC Stevens book and thats more than enough for a beginner. Its nicely detailed. After a year of JC Stevens I plan to move on to add some advanced techniques from Gamana's book like the Breath of fire.

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Hi, I would like to read JC Stevens book but I can't get it shipped to me. Does a digital version exist?

Is the other book fine to learn from for a newbie? There is a kindle version for that one. 

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@Widdle Puppy Leo wrote in one book review that all the fundamentals to start a practice is in JC S book, so it looks like we need this book. 

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1 minute ago, dimitri said:

@Widdle Puppy Leo wrote in one book review that all the fundamentals to start a practice is in JC S book, so it looks like we need this book. 

damn hmmm

dunno how to get it

the other one isn't good enough?

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Just now, Widdle Puppy said:

damn hmmm

dunno how to get it

the other one isn't good enough?

 

I don't know exactly. I may be mistaken. It seems it's too little theory in the other one.

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38 minutes ago, dimitri said:

I don't know exactly. I may be mistaken. It seems it's too little theory in the other one.

hmm yea true but it's better than nothing. I just need the technique and can try to then to fix it when I can get my hands on the big book. the short one seems to be distilled and probably can be good for getting my toes wet. 

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