Leo Gura

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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

All my pranayamas are the same. I visualize the prana flowing up the spine from chakra 1 to very tip top of the head, and then back down.

I forget is that's KP1, KP2, or KP3.

Got it. If you chant "Om" at each chakra (up and down the spine) that would be KP3.

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@Leo GuraFrom what all the Kriya books say the main benefits is at the end spending time in the post kriya witnessing. That is the most important part, not the pranayamas 

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12 hours ago, cle103 said:

Got it. If you chant "Om" at each chakra (up and down the spine) that would be KP3.

No, I don't chant Om.

1 hour ago, herghly said:

@Leo GuraFrom what all the Kriya books say the main benefits is at the end spending time in the post kriya witnessing. That is the most important part, not the pranayamas 

Meh, I spend time meditating anyways, so it's not such a big deal to me. The most important part is the pranayamas for rewiring the brain. That's my opinion.

Don't get caught up debating minutia. Get your basic practice down and the rest will be window-dressing.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, I don't chant Om.

Meh, I spend time meditating anyways, so it's not such a big deal to me. The most important part is the pranayamas for rewiring the brain. That's my opinion.

Don't get caught up debating minutia. Get your basic practice down and the rest will be window-dressing.

chanting om (internally) helps you to diminish thoughts

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27 minutes ago, archi said:

chanting om (internally) helps you to diminish thoughts

Yes, it can. And by the logic you could be chanting Om all day long.

I have nothing against it. I have just customized my practice to suit my style and needs, as should you.

I am not making claims here about what is best for all, but merely what I currently practice. Kriya yoga is one of a variety of tools I use.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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you do 90 minutes of kriya day AND another meditation... that is a lot 

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1 hour ago, Charlotte said:

https://www.gatewayworkshops.co.uk/spiritual_courses/kriya-yoga-the-lightning-path-to-self-realisation-workshop/

 

Shall I bother? £220 for 2 days course. 

She said on the phone I found her so I'm ready. I get what she's saying but this could also be a clever business strategy. 

I would reccomend building a very strong foundation before you do something like this.

You could always practice in Nature B|

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2 hours ago, Charlotte said:

https://www.gatewayworkshops.co.uk/spiritual_courses/kriya-yoga-the-lightning-path-to-self-realisation-workshop/

 

Shall I bother? £220 for 2 days course. 

She said on the phone I found her so I'm ready. I get what she's saying but this could also be a clever business strategy.

https://www.innerengineering.com/ieo-new/total/

275£ :D

Sadhguru himself will be in London in April. There're programs in February also.

 

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Hi guys,

A few advices for you that I hope will be as beneficial as it was for me!!!

For more than a week I have been practising Kriya like Ennios Nimmis recommend in his 3rd pdf, chapter 12: http://www.kriyayogainfo.net/Eng_Downloads1.html

To quickly summarize, i'm now doing 3 different preparation exercises for a total of 30 minutes in the morning. The prep exercices are meant to open sushumna so the prana can easily flow through it during pranayama. After that, I do Kriya pranayama with the mothod of Sri Mukherjee for 30 minutes at the end of the day. And for 10-15 minutes i try to rest in emptiness or I concentrate on crown chakra but I feel like these 2 things are meant to do the same thing: rest in emptiness...

For me, the most important detail while doing pranayama is to surrender / let go / relax. Don't try to control/do everything perfectly. If you can relax your body that's already good enough ;) . 

Please give it a try for a few days and report on the forum if you like it or not! 

 

 

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When you focus on bhrumadhya, do you focus on the "touch" sensation which is there or more the "sight" sensation (the blackness which is there when you close your eyes, or the colours that slide across your "mental screen")? Espacially for the concentration practice.

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On 5/31/2018 at 1:01 AM, Leo Gura said:

For those of you into Kriya, I would highly recommend that in addition to reading the original Kriya book I suggested, you also read the books of Santata Gamana. I now prefer his more simplified techniques. It's a much more streamlined version of Kriya which I think will be even more effective. I found too much needless complexity and variety in the other way.

Right now my technique stack is very simple:

  1. Mahamudra x3
  2. Kriya Pranayama x24
  3. Kriya Supreme Fire x3
  4. One-pointed Concentration for 5 mins

Eventually, with lots of practice, you should aim for something like the following stack:

  1. Mahamudra x3
  2. Kriya Pranayama x36-x72
  3. Kriya Supreme Fire for 10-20 mins
  4. One-pointed Concentration for 10-20 mins
  5. (Bonus: Yoni Mudra x3)
  6. (Bonus: Kechari mudra)

EDIT: ideally, do this stack twice per day. But if you don't have that much time, at least once per day.

Don't attempt to do this second stack right off the bat. It will not be sustainable. You need to gradually build up to it, like with heavy weightlifting.

I think the original book I recommended is still very good as an introduction and foundation because Gamana's books are so short and thin that they do not provide enough information about Kriya to a total newbie. They are aimed at people who have already been initiated in one school or another.

If you are strictly following the original book, that is okay. You can keep doing that if you want. Or you could switch to this more streamlined version like I decided to do. I don't like learning too many complicated techniques. But that's just me. Both ways should work in the end. It's mostly a matter of style. Although I actually think the streamlined version will end up to be more effective because it concentrates your limited time on the most powerful techniques, and less time is wasted on learning new complex techniques.

so which book do you suggest i should buy?gamanas or the one from your book list? or both. would be glad for an answer.

:) 

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4 hours ago, John West said:

When you focus on bhrumadhya, do you focus on the "touch" sensation which is there or more the "sight" sensation (the blackness which is there when you close your eyes, or the colours that slide across your "mental screen")? Espacially for the concentration practice.

I would say the first two, but as you continue the situation can change. One of the initial possible experiences is a change in the character of the darkness; this has been called Entering the Cave. It may feel as if you have suddenly entered a cave or forest, or other vast peaceful space. The change in environment will capture your mental and visual attention. You may hear a change in the interior sound as well.

If you start perceiving the kutastha, that is a visual phenomenon and so you would focus on that.

It seems to be common to see the kutastha somewhat from the side, at least at first. So if you see what may look like a ring in the distance, whether at an angle or head-on, that also will capture your attention and you won't wonder what to focus on.

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I dabbled with kriya some time ago but I found Leo's suggested posture to be extremely uncomfortable for me.

My legs go numb pretty quick and it becomes more about fighting pain than actually doing the practice.

I've tried slight adjustments like the height of the seat but my legs still don't agree with this position at all.

I tried to get used to it for like two weeks but finally gave up.

Would practicing with another posture like vajrasana (which looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/yI1iIMc.jpg) be much less effective than what Leo recommends?

Thanks.

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3 hours ago, 9 said:

I dabbled with kriya some time ago but I found Leo's suggested posture to be extremely uncomfortable for me.

My legs go numb pretty quick and it becomes more about fighting pain than actually doing the practice.

I've tried slight adjustments like the height of the seat but my legs still don't agree with this position at all.

I tried to get used to it for like two weeks but finally gave up.

Would practicing with another posture like vajrasana (which looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/yI1iIMc.jpg) be much less effective than what Leo recommends?

Thanks.

Finding a comfortable sitting position is very important. I would say, just find any sitting position you feel comfortable with which allows you to sit for a solid 60 minutes with minimal discomfort.

Right now I've changed up my sitting position to using a Zen-style seize bench with some extra cushioning. So for the pranayamas and breath of fire I am sitting on my knees using that bench. The Mahamudra is done without a bench obviously. That's what I found works best for me.

You could even just do it using a comfy chair.

Again, don't let technical details get in the way of your core practice. Once your core practice is established you can always fine-tune it, change positions, add stuff, remove stuff, etc. But you need the core practice ASAP.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Finding a comfortable sitting position is very important. I would say, just find any sitting position you feel comfortable with which allows you to sit for a solid 60 minutes with minimal discomfort.

Right now I've changed up my sitting position to using a Zen-style seize bench with some extra cushioning. So for the pranayamas and breath of fire I am sitting on my knees using that bench. The Mahamudra is done without a bench obviously. That's what I found works best for me.

You could even just do it using a comfy chair.

Again, don't let technical details get in the way of your core practice. Once your core practice is established you can always fine-tune it, change positions, add stuff, remove stuff, etc. But you need the core practice ASAP.

That's good to hear since sitting on my knees is really comfortable for me and actually that's the position I'm already using in my everyday seats.

I use my meditation pillow with that position but I gotta try that bench next time I'm on Vipassana retreat. They look pretty cool!

One more thing - do you place your palms facing up?

Based on the Martin Ball's work and some of my DMT experiences I suspect it may be the way to go although I'm not sure if the protocol of psychedelic induced nondual states directly translates into the practice like this. Any thoughts on this?

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@9 Yes, palms up, although it's a tertiary matter IMO. There are all sorts of mudras you could do.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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Palms up, face east, blink only after an uneven number of seconds have passed, dont curl the toes, never let your thumbs meet as it interfers with your pets energy field and might cause an involuntary kundalini awakening, always close the door but not fully, draw a flipped pentagram on your doorstep to prevent demons and bad karma from damaging your prana flow, never chant om more than 5 times / 15 seconds (this is EXTREMELY important, dont ask why tho!).

Furthermore you should restrain from thinking of the third eye as a literal eye as it might actually materialize as such! Also inbreath and outbreath must be the EXACT same duration, violations of that rule will result in yogananda appearing through your 7th chakra and he will steal all your prana and sell it on the black yoga market (prana depletion aint no joke).

If you stick to the simple ruleset that I outlined and every single other one that has ever existed, you are good to go and you will eventually awaken the archetype of the eternal lobster in the crown chakra, fuse order and chaos and salvage your damn father from the belly of vishnu.

Also clean your room prior to every kriya routine.

 

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