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I have noticed that bringing up the subject of reincarnation arouses almost as much excitement among forum members as endless solipsistic debates. In the case of reincarnation, however, one can sense a distinct resistance to even considering such a possibility among some participants. In conversations with Christian friends, it is similar. Very interesting and funny. Well, it is better to return to nothingness than to reincarnate into the experience of being a small, fat girl with Down syndrome, acne-prone skin and an unpleasant smell of sweat, isn't it? The subject of reincarnation can be an interesting instrument for measuring our current attachment to form, identification with it, and our openess to infinity of existence with its infinite ways of experiencing itself. It showes us where we really are on our journey.

When I say that the ultimate goal of the Self is Liberation from limited existence some of you guys say: "no, you can not liberate yourself from existing, reality is unavoidable. God has no other thing but to dream. Cycles are inevitable." And then when I tell them: "well, Ok, from your view cycles are inevitable, then I guess you are OK with another cycle, right? Ready for another incarnation once this body is no longer usable, right?" Then They say: "reincarnation is a belief. Where is the proof?" So let see if I get this thing straight: You don´t want to reincarnate but you don´t want to liberate yourself from more existence either...what's the plan then? IMO, It would be more honest to say "I am not ready for the unlimited yet". Instead of straight up denying it. You don´t have to ruin the plans for the people that might be ready to pass to the other side...

Another example of looking at reincarnation on a different perspective: Imagine you are born from a pedophile priest that raped children because the genetics of you her parents also raped because it was an habit of trying to get love from feeling unwanted by your mother (or who knows why). To get born as that, reality has to be able to maintain that type of memory of that trauma, there has to be a predisposition to maintain and preserve that kind of patterns. That would be a type of reincarnation. Instead of thinking it as bodies reincarnation, think it as reencarnations of certain patterns. As reality, you did not dissolve or distanced yourself enough from the trauma of raping, so inevitably you pass it through your children, and inevitably you maintain that through another cycle. In other point of Infinity, there is a certain fragment of Reality that is very similar to the parent of the rapist, and is ready to take the form of the new born child. The Reality that gets incarnated into the child of the rapist priest, is a Reality that has not dissolved his karma in his previous life so is inevitably 'attracted' to that kind of new experience/ego. (which of course is not new, is the same cycle but with different body) @Breakingthewall Is all a Recycling circus of memory.

@Javfly33 if the reincarnation finish and the reality is no form, there is no time, then if in any moment the form starts again, it's immediately after than the last incarnation, because between both there is not time. Then, right now it's the no time, and inside is the appearance of an experience that happens in time, always, because there are not Limits to prevent it

I don't think anyone can really answer your question about reincarnation. Tbh, when I think about it, do we know if Anand Mayi Maa reincarnated despite being devoted to God her whole life? No. Do we know if Sadhguru's wife who willingly left her body, reincarnated or not? No. Do we know if Osho, who remembered all his past lives and spent all his life teaching spiritual stuff and getting into scams later, was incarnated or not? No. But, from my limited understanding, I can tell that, you will keep reincarnating until you have no desire left, worldly or other-worldly, even a desire for liberation is a desire.

Forever without experience is an instant out of the time. It's impossible to imagine, because it's enlightenment. But in this instant out of the time infinite experiences appears, apparently. Then , what is reincarnation? Really I don't understand it, but all the mystics talk about it.

Then the reality will stop creating forms for ever? How? If there are now they will be always, they have to be infinite. But the thing that I don't understand about reincarnation is not that, is how you, the you that appear due the experience, is going to reincarnate. This you will dissapear when the experience finish. The reality is "behind" all the experiences, that's what you are, the experience is circumstance, then how this experience is going to reincarnate in another experience?

@Breakingthewall Let me put it another way, maybe like this you can understand what I mean: Lets say Tomorrow I have a baby, that baby has certain qualities of me and of his mom, of the past genetic memory of my family and her mom's family, etc, and also of the quality of the city we live (atmosphere influence, etc). For Reality to allow this, for Reality to be able to hold this qualities, there has to exist the volition and willingness to Reality to do it, Reality must have the 'door' open to be that and not just itself. It must remain attached to a certain way of being. Whatever the state of Reality was before that baby being born, it was conducive and 'ready' to take the form of a baby. When reincarnation is finished, that means Reality has stopped the identification to the configuration no possibility of creating anything else there is possible. Instead of understanding reality as 'beings' (like 'past lives') think it like this: Infinite fragmentation, where each fragment has a unique dualistic configuration, necessary for all pieces to be unique and at the same time the opposite of all minus itself, which perfectly will define what relatively that reality will manifest as. When the fragment realises itself, then the configuration loses its grip on it, because the identification was what prevented the Realization. And, of course, Since the configuration itself is what made the fragment a fragment, instead of all fragments, which is what it really Is.

I think that simply your experience stops and that's it. The reality is not your experience, your experience is a relative appearance, then when it stops there is nothing to reincarnate, because all the others infinite experiences are that reincarnation.

The real you or the absolute. For me is very clear: Lets say tomorrow (I Hope not lol) i fall off a cliff and my body is completely ruined, It can not function anymore. Meanwhile in your case nothing happens to you. There is a reality or substance as you call It, which is experience your body and mind, is having your relative experience. In my case the relative experience can not continue, so either It does not continue or It finds another relative experience (another body). As you see the options are very clear, relative experience continues or It doesn't. Yet some of you guys want to deny both, that It can not stop also that It can not reincarnate. Basically you guys logic Only holds if death wouldnt exist. But relative death very much exist, so obviously you guys Will have to eventually face this question. See just because you Keep having an experience, does not mean lot of people die everyday. The reality that is giving Life to those bodies, when the body is gone, that reality continues, so the question of Liberation or reincarnation naturally appears.

Thinking about that, reality the objective of meditation is put yourself totally in the now, open yourself to this moment, because this moment is the existence. It's not solipsism that is: only this moment is. Remove only, it's enough this moment is. This "is" is the point, not the "only". The "only" point to god, the "is" point to you, and you are the reality, not god. God is an idea, you a reality. this moment, is closed by your mental activity, the projection, that invents an imaginary reality that veils the real. The real is just the now. Anything else is projection. Usually we project and invent another world because we have the feeling that we should be someone, and we are creating that image of someone all time. Someone who goes to anywhere, to reincarnation, or enlightenment. If that someone dissapear, enlightenment remains. Nothing more is needed, because you are

All mystics talk about reincarnation but I don't understand it. Who incarnates? All the incarnations are apparent movement in the existence, then all are the same substance, what you ultimately are, then the question: what happens next? Is a question that happens in this incarnation, but from an absolute perspective all the infinite incarnations are happening now and really they are not happening, are an appearance.

I don't doubt of the will of sadhguru, but he has a point ....let's say that his discourse, what it projects, does not point towards freedom, the total opening of the mind, the liberation of the ego, but rather it points towards supernatural ideas, the liberation of karma, reincarnation and everything that no one knows if it is real or not. . what is real is what you are and the potential for purity, for openness to the intelligence of reality, for total sovereignty over yourself. It seems that sadhguru wants to grant himself that sovereignty. But maybe it's just an misunderstanding because I don't understand him deep enough

Maybe it's like that but then all the well of reincarnation starts in one point, the absolute, and finish in the same point, that means that it will restart again. Then there is not end of the well, is ending of one cycle, but ultimately you are what exist, and the cycles can't finish. About sanchita karma, let's see, if In some moment the cycle began, it was absolutely basic, then, where is the difference between any sanchita karma and another? Seems like trying to grab personality, identity. About only humans can be conscious, maybe in this dimension, but could be many other dimensions much more conscious, and being human is just a step, not the end of the well.

I think that is because it's extremely difficult stop the identification with the relative self, then you can't even imagine the reality without this, but in another hand all the traditions talk about reincarnation, then maybe it's real in a sense, like the master lines of your structure restart again like an evolutive path

When I speak of reincarnation I speak in relative terms ofc. So in the relative sense some kind of reincarnation makes sense to me. Doesn’t necessarily have to be something continuous that keeps on living like a soul

Reincarnation of some kind sounds more reasonable than believing death is like forever deep sleep. Why would only one lifetime appear for you in all of eternity?

You'd have to clarify what you mean by that. For most people, they just die without having had insight into their natures, much less a "full-blown" awakening. That is not what humanity is up to as a whole. I try my best not to talk in terms of hearsay or cosmologies, so no reincarnation; we don't even know what our actual present body is, its nature, much less one that we're presumably going to incarnate into in next lives. This notion exists because you've heard of it elsewhere and adopted it as true.

What is reincarnation? Something that is going to happen after this life? Happen to whom? What is the difference with a baby that born today or me borning after my death? Everything that exists is the absolute taking a form, then what is the difference between a rat that right now is existing and my next incarnation? Really I don't understand that about reincarnation , if I had many incarnations in the past, how many could be? Millions? I can't remember them, then what is the difference with no one? Maybe all about reincarnation is a lie and all is just a religion, same than Islam or that about Thor and Odin, just tales.

Yes, but I believe there is room for compassion and choice on the abortion issue. First, assuming you believe in the soul, past lifes, reincarnation, the soul already is aware of the possibility of an abortion happening, and is prepared for it. Second, the fetus has no conscious awareness of it's existence until perhaps the month up to birth, where some people report remembering being in the womb. Third, the sex drive is extremely strong and for conservatives to say to just abstain is asking a lot given our nature. Fourth, to ask a mother to raise a child they are not ready to raise when they are really young especially, when the guy knocks her up and disappears, can be traumatic for a young person especially if their parents are conservative and not supportive of the accidential pregnancy. Fifth, asking them to raise a child they probably cannot afford means the government is going to pay for it.. you'd think more conservatives would be against that. For all these reasons and more I generally support abortion through the first or second trimester. I just don't see any harm coming of it, besides potential future psychological damage as the woman gets older wondering what the child would have been like that they aborted, which is a very real thing, but something the woman will have to deal with. Bottom line, it should be a choice, in my opinion of course. When you criminalize something there will just be black markets for it, and there have been black markets for dangerous abortion procedures going back thousands of years.

Is that a real fear of yours? i personally believe in reincarnation of some sort, so I could fear bad incarnations. But I don’t believe in hell and a god as the creator it doesn’t make sense at all for me. Don’t think it should for you either. But reincarnation is scary enough for me

There is no God in control because a God wouldn’t have chosen such a limited player. I can prove this: if an angel came to you and offered you powers, you would accept them! That’s the proof, and for those who claim that God chose this path, please seek help. I hope the cartel catches you. Why couldn’t God remember His nature when He became human? That wouldn’t sabotage the challenges and adventure here on Earth. Forgetting one’s true nature is not beautiful, it’s terrible. It leaves you confused and causes you to forget to live in the present moment. 2. Reincarnation also doesn’t make sense because something must create these reincarnations, which is absurd. Why should I live my life here on Earth only to forget it later? There’s nothing beautiful about that, it’s terrible. 3. A separate God is illogical and impossible. What I’ve concluded is that existence itself is illogical because none of these ideas make sense, none!

He probably was a frog in some life span. Our lifespan here is just a speck compared to the lifespan of the Earth or the Universe, so in that perpective, he was a frog 5 min ago, we all were probably, and a plant, a insect, a piece of dirt, and so on.. Here Neil Tyson Degrasse talks about our DNA, I remember he had a show on awhile back about Science, in one of them He mentioned that we have common DNA traits with all sorts of life forms, here he talks about our common DNA sharing with Bananas and Mushrooms, too me this sort of proves reincarnation and how it manifests in physical form, it shows there is an evolution to what we are, and how we came to be what we are today.. Potential is common on all life forms, but when in our perception and relation to time, it seems slow but overall its a fast process that has taken us from simple life forms to our Human ones today, from what I understand we cannot evolve much further on the Physical and Mental aspects but we can on other aspects of what we are, I assume that means Spiritually we can evolve much further than where we are Now!!

Who wants? Things happen because they can happen, what "you" are is the substrate of the form, the material, the substance, but also the form. The dream is not a dream, is the flow of the reality, dream implies a dreamer and that's impossible, there is not a director because it would be a limit of the limitless. I ve read, it's relatively easy to achieve with meditation, you are what exist. But then the form catch you up again and again because you have this genetical programming. The only possible end that I see is that you totally realize that you are what is, then you place yourself in the existence and not in the manifestation of the existence, then you are more or less indifferent to the form and focused in the substance. Then for you it's the same if there is reincarnation or anything, there is always existence, and you are that, then the person dilute and the existence remains. For you life and death are the same, human life, memory, other people, body, 5 senses, all of that is secondary, irrelevant, you are what is

Genuinely curious how these mechanics interact with each other. And what if they are at play, they ultimately mean.