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I feel this. My main motivation with meditation is taking extreme ownership of my well being. I want to understand what it must be like to sit and do nothing and be totally at peace with myself, totally and utterly content with nothing else but the fact that I exist. Most of my meditation work up to this point has not been this. However, after a lot of work, I would say I'm starting to find and understand this peace experientially, and more regularly. I feel like this level of practice is possible for everyone, including you. What I don't know, however, is what type of effort is going to be required, nor what types of meditation techniques you'll respond to best. Today was a huge breakthrough, a huge glimpse into what is possible with going down this meditation path. In fact, a 45 minute mini orgasm is more than a glimpse imo. I don't expect this type of thing to stablize for awhile, but I can imagine when I'm in my 40s with 20 years of meditation experience under my belt, who knows what it'll be like. I've only seriously been meditating for 2.5 years, but it's been 2.5 years with meditating 1 hour per day for 95% of the days. I don't mind at all. I've been practicing with the do nothing technique (zazen in zen, shikantaza in japanese zen translation, choiceless awareness technique in the TMI model, complete surrender based on Ramana Maharshi's teachings), however because I've spent months of using the TMI breath based techniques for months now, my attention is extremely stable, I generate significantly less thoughts during meditation practice, and my awareness of thoughts is A LOT higher. I think these 3 qualities of mind played a huge role. These 3 qualities of mind are cultivated and stabilized over time using a concentration, samatha based practice. At least that's what's *supposed* to happen. So I go into the session with these 3 things pretty much within the first minute, except they're all more significant than normal, especially the awareness of mind. Interestingly, as the pleasure was building I would have random monkey mind thoughts like we all do when we meditate. Yet this time my mind was extremely aware of ANY thoughts that were passing and effortless and automatically dropped all attention from them. Thoughts became these extremely minor events which disappeared as quickly as they came in. So I'm left in this hyper aware state where my peripheral awareness (awareness of the bodily senses) began to build and build and build. As this building took place, that's when I started to feel the pleasurable energy start to pulsate up through my root and into my head and 3rd eye. I would say during the climax (feeling 10% of an orgasm, possibly more) I was feeling a release in the 3rd eye and crown chakra area. And it was just that, energy going up through my body on inhalations, and then perfuse out into an auric field which felt like an extension of my body senses. With my eyes closed, my body didnt have a particular shape or form, it felt like this ambiguous pulsating energy field with a very dense core, which I could identify as the spine if attention wandered to the center. The energy rhythmically went up and out of the spine, recycling back through the body. It felt like it was its own form of intelligence with a will of its own, but not quite kundalini which I've also experienced. It felt subtler than kundalini but who knows. With this energy stuff, it's all kind of the same thing at some point. I want to emphasize though, this was a state of total surrender. There was no effort, or will, or anything trying to get more of or cling to what was going on. Just pure energy that felt like it was being released because the mind's lack of interference and a build up of awareness. I believe psychedelics have made my meditation sessions way more energetic. Ive tripped just about once every 2 weeks for the past year (currently taking some time off for integration purposes) and with all of the emotional releases I've had, my body feels like it has clearer energy channels. I know this may sound new age, but it's the only way I can describe it. My body feels like it has more internal clarity of the senses, my awareness can penetrate more deeply into subtle forms of energy. I've found that healing my psychological traumas and attachments opens up my awareness of body wherein I'm more able to generate happier and lighter emotions. The most powerful healing tool I've used is psyches and hatha yoga. It's worth mentioning I've also been doing daily hatha yoga since the whole COVID lockdown so perhaps this is playing a role as well. However, what I'd also like to mention is that meditating 1 hour per day REALLY starts to pay off at around the 2 year mark. There's something significant about an entire hour that just has never felt replicable with other times. Even though psyches have indeed played a role with opening me up to deeper levels of bodily awareness, I still thing 80+% of my meditation results come from meditation. Specifically, a meditation system that has worked directly on building concentration and quitting the mind (insert TMI plug). I do not find similar releases of tension in deep meditation as I do in deep trips. Trips have gone REALLY fucking deep into the core of my being at levels meditation simply cannot. I cannot say with confidence I could have healed at the same rate using meditation as I have with psyches. And in this way, I believe psychedelics have played a huge role with my general well being on a day to day basis. Yet just as important is meditation. Meditation seems to breakdown more surface level tensions like anxiety, depression, apathy, frustration, anger. Meditation helps break down and dissolve the tension we feel on a day to day basis. Psychedelics help breakdown emotions and traumas that exist on the level of souls and reincarnation, or even childhood memories we no longer can even feel. For example, I remember one of my biggest unknown traumas I was carrying around with me was not understanding my diabetes. It was this general sense of "why me" that I didn't even know I carried. But when I traveled back to my birth on LSD and saw so clearly that this decision for diabetes was autonomous and by choice, I somehow understood all of it. This was a huge emotional and energetic release. Meditation has never done anything close to this. But let me flip the coin and explain what meditation has done that psychedelics haven't - The amount of beauty I see in the world, the amount of compassion I hold for strangers, the love I feel for all beings, the daily gratitude I feel for my body, or my ability to ride out waves of negativity like diabetic fatigue, depression, apathy (these are my most common) has all been a result of my meditation more than psychedelics. It's like the world of the mundane is slowly being infused with what a peak state of a psychedelic shows. Whereas the psychedelic can show you the love of god, it will not let you keep it. Meditation is the tool for embodiment. Psychedelics are the tool for awakenings. If you find that it's hard to release tension without external tools, you should look into hatha yoga. I don't think Leo emphasizes enough the mind - body connection. Your body is literally holding onto all sorts of deep emotional baggage. I've found this physical yoga to be an extremely powerful addition to my spiritual work. In fact, I could probably write another long ass post explaining the relationship between the physical muscle releases in yoga, meditation and psychedelics. But I've already written a novel. My biggest piece of advice would be don't underestimate what you'd be capable of by seriously committing to meditation practice, 1 hour per day, over a lifetime. It's a slow grueling process, but the changes are enduring. Meditation is the most powerful psychedelic integration tool I've found. It's also the most powerful sober tool I've found as well. You've gotta learn to concentrate the mind though. Which is why I push TMI so much, because I know it's what works for me. Others say kriya is great, but I've never responded very well to it. TMI and the do nothing technique are my go to's and these days I've been doing the do nothing almost exclusively AFTER my mind has reached a stable enough level. I know this was a lot, but the word vomit helped me contextualize my own shit so... I hope it helps haha. Seriously, don't underestimate yourself or what you're capable of doing in the long run.

@Vagos Premature death can still be counter-productive because then you'll have to deal with your karma in the next life (if you accept reincarnation), making it harder to self-actualise and awaken. Like Leo has said survival isn't just about survival, it's also about transcendence, which you can't do if you die. Of course you're right from an Absolute perspective there's no difference between saving the earth and destroying it, but so long as people haven't yet awakened and burnt off their karma there'll also be reasons to keep people alive, at least on the relative plane.

I just managed to read the whole book. If you are interested in things like karma, ghosts, rituals centered around death, when Sadhguru is going to attain mahasamadhi, how her wife died, reincarnation etc. , this one is the best for you.

Thats what i exactly say, if nothingness in every projection, when you look at from perspective of nothing word of table, chair, reincarnation, are identical because they are all one, which is nothingness. So word of reincarnation and table are identical. You answer yourself is the reincarnation is real, if it is identical with table?

Can we agree on: Capital "S" self, God, Eternal Consciousness = Nothingness (in order for everything to be contained in it as a projection). Yes? Reincarnation is real.

That subject is formlessness or nothingness. Thats why all is one, because formlessness can be formless and at the same time can take any form. So This is nothingness. This is nothingness. So where is the world, reincarnation, universe or enlightenment? You are not even in the body, because there is no body. So how am i wrong with saying there is no reincarnation? There is nothing here, so where is the reincarnation?

You’re incorrect in saying that there is no reincarnation, since there is no self to reincarnate. The “self” won’t service, but there will NEVER be a moment that “Self” - just awareness itself, wont experience something. And this POV, or “Self” with capital S is nothing experiencing different gradations of itself. Because there is only 1 subject in the entire universe.

There is no reincarnation, nothing is experiencing different vibrations as itself, and you call it infinite lives. You named the vibration and created the so called life.

You have to zoom out of you to understand and finally see reincarnation. It’s among the last.

@Someone here Who cares that you can't literally say that something reincarnates. There is no self to reincarnate.. so what.. doesn't mean reincarnation doesn't point to a 'process' that's all too real. You say there is zero evidence for it. Actually there is tons of evidence for it if you care to look into it. The internet is just full of it.

OK look.. What reincarnates? The body? The soul? The self? The Self? The awareness? The ego? All? Some? What??? Because as a matter of observable fact the body decays into dust and rot alright?. Once your physical body dies it just dissolves into it's essential elements and just evaporates in nature.. Gets diffused into the soil etc. So that's that. What is it exactly that reincarnates then because obviously it's not the body? The self? There is no self "inside "the body lol !. The body is inside the" Self". There is no ghost inside the machine. What you really have is a machine inside the ghost lol. The self (ego) is a negative hole that appears as a consequence (byproduct) of entanglement of thoughts.. perceptions.. feelings etc. It's a misidentification really. It's a negative.. not an existing entity onto itself. So there is no self to reincarnate. IMO reincarnation is no different from Abrahamic religion's notions of hell and heaven.. Both have ZERO evidence!. As for karma.. Well it's simply that for each up there is a down and for each action there is a reaction. You throw up a ball in the sky.. It falls down in the opposite direction taking the exact time that it took to reach the highest peak to fall from it into the ground. That's karma. The universe is already at perfect balance. There is no need for reincarnation to achieve balance as if balance could be lost to begin with. Balance is already the case. It's inconceivable that something unbalanced could even exist! And if you look at it from a pantheistic worldview.. You are already living inside every creature in this planet.. So at the moment that you are beheading a chicken you are the chicken that's being beheaded and the human who is beheading it simultaneously. Karma is instant.

For all the account of people, Sadhguru, various scriptures in all religion it seems like reincarnation is a fact. If so how does it really works and how does the karma of this life transfers to the next life?

I just read this, and it really made me question death and reincarnation and multiple realities. The message was on youtube, and it read: I've got a similar message the time I was coming off mushrooms and thought it was a good idea to hit the dmt pipe the next morning and I was immediately nowhere without a body or anything just simply awareness with a crazy color wall infront of me and a voice coming from everywhere saying I have no idea what I'm fucking with and I was like yup you're right then plopped back into my body and for maybe a minute my awareness was above my head I could see 360 and there was a central me with a bunch of floating boxes that showed almost infinite realities and one movement in any of them would ripple across. I remember noticing that each reality I was sitting or even standing in a different spot all in the same room. I was like ohh shit I might have screwed up this is way to much and then I closed my eyes and opened them to be back inside my head in a single reality. That confirmed my suspicion, now belief that death isn't what we think and I can't really die in the normal sense that I would just wake up in a reality where things were a little different. I actually remember dieing in a car accident but ending up in a reality where I perfectly avoided the crash but vividly remember looking up and accepting that I was going to crash and there was no way to swerve around, didn't even go for the brake but then I was on the other side of the car controlling the swerve and remember jerking the wheel once to basically juke the car somehow without hitting the guardrail that in the last reality was closer then this one, I managed to not put a scratch on my mom's car, but I could remember giving up and accepting that I was going to smash right into this car that was at a dead stop a car length at most infront of me while doing 60mph. Another interesting part is that feeling you get when coming back from dmt is the same feeling I had on the other side of the car. Backtracking to the day on mushrooms before the dmt hit I had not planned anything I just did it kinda out of curiosity and boredom, ended up having so many thoughts coming feeling like anxious and then I layed back to try meditating to look in the sky and see a huge godlike version of myself that told me everything I feel and experience is my fault resulting from choices etc. I immediately was like yeah makes sense you're right, then a vortex opened up in the sky connected to my head and pulled all of the racing thoughts out leaving me feeling totally at peace. Has anyone else experienced anything similar? Like a realization that no matter what we do we can't really "die", and we'll just keep living the infinite realities until we find one where we narrowly escaped death, and then forget the rest? This is quite a mindfuck...I've had a few near-death experiences where I wondered how I got out of it alive. Maybe this is the answer...we are just all immortal, and when we see other people die, they are living a different reality where they're alive?

Wait a minute, the lion and the lamb in the Book of Revelation might represent the Wanderers in the Law of One. The common interpretation is that the lion/lamb means Jesus. But Jesus now belongs to heaven since he left earth and the Advocate, the Holy Spirit remains on earth to remind us. And the lamb looked like it had been slain. The original Koine Greek says: "a Lamb standing as having been slain" (Ἀρνίον ἑστηκὸς ὡς ἐσφαγμένον). That doesn't necessary mean that the lamb had been slain. And was Jesus slain? That's weird wording I guess (I'm not an expert on English). So the lamb is on earth and it looks battered. If the Wanderers are the lion/lamb, then the lion is still a front but the lamb has gone through a lot of suffering! Scary scenario. And indeed, check out what Ra says in the Law of One: Social memory complex means collective consciousness. And Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, that sounds like a battered lamb! It indicates that a collective consciousness is trapped here on earth and has to wear the "cloak" of a lion in order to function in our world. That's hardly the breakaway civilization, because they would be able to break away from the trapped state. Yikes, the Wanderers seem to be regular people but with a collective consciousness that is trapped in third density ego consciousness. And reincarnation means Wanderers who die and new Wanderers being born. It's a collective consciousness. The Dalai Lama said that reincarnation is real, but it's not personal, he said. Bingo.

I AM with you on it. this, that's all, "anything else" is illusory concepts: ego, soul, reincarnation... ? Put in quotes since there is nothing else tbh ?

I've heard from different sources things like, "I had 634 reincarnations" or "this specific person is a reincarnation of me". My way of thinking was always that "I AM" every soul/incarnation there is. I'm a bit confused and was hoping you guys could help me get some clarity.

Do You think God would reincarnate current racists humans into other races in their next reincarnation? Don't You think that's how god educates? Don't you think this is the best type of education By turning someone into the person(s) that which this someone hates and cannot Embrace/Love? So if one was sexist he/she would reincarnate as the opposite gender in the next life etc.

@beastcookie the comprehensive answer: throughout the spiritual journey, there could be thousands upon thousands of opinions, ideas, and perceptions, the thing is that the most stupid thing for us is to take everything blindly without our first-hand experience of that abstraction/concept! for instance, someone could read dozens of legit books about reincarnation and he might get an idea of the reincarnation but it's not that simple to form a mental image in the mind about that and then believing into that for the rest of life. what I really love to recommend for this certain situation is to clear your mind from any abstractions that are taught in any book or video, and prioritize the very own direct experience which is beyond any mental image/imagination/visualization/over-conceptualization! only learn the basics of consciousness work which are more practical and implement them to reach the hands-on experience!

@Inliytened1 when you say never coming back to your form when your identity dies, wont you still come back when your born again? How does reincarnation work? Is it all imaginary and all those memories of "you" growing up are not real? Only the present moment and direct experience is what exists?

@freeman194673 Our reincarnations? Reincarnation isn't real. Nothing is being RE-incarnated. The absolute essence of reality is the entirety of reality. Infinity in and of itself is a motion. There is only and can only ever be infinity. You cannot escape this. Not with silly concepts, not with pretending it's not there. It is the only thing you will and can know. That is why we call the ego an illusion. Concepts are illusions, I can think of a square-circle but it will never be a representation of reality.

It's not a cycle. Nothing repeats in this life. Everytime there is a different cry, a different laught, a different sleep, a different day. And there's the duality : being awake/sleeping because we need sleep in order to function properly. see this man with fatal insomnia for example: And if you're talking about reincarnation,I'm not sure about that. As Leo said,you could stay in the Godhead realm aka Heaven forever. the reason for what?Our reincarnations? Why? You can be innocent at 50 years old too. You can have that bliss at 50 years old too. Some people didn't have it in childhood. Some people won't ever have it.

I still can't wrap my head around the notion of "Death is imaginary" as Leo put's it. I still perceive death as you are just sitting in a endless darkness where you don't see anything, and you still are thinking thought's and have a ego or identification with something, do you still have thought's when your identity is dead and you don't identify with anything? Do you still see this reality or direct experience what we are seeing right now? During the body's physical death, what's the transition from being in the body to merging into infinite love? Is it like waking up from a dream into a new form? or is the identification is gone and just is direct experience with no identification? that bring's up another topic of reincarnation though, and the void where consciousness pop's in and out.

interesting take on reincarnation

Reality is a mental projection, there is no need for imaginary counterparts such as "physical" "death" etc. All is needed is to stop imagining/projecting the dreamscape. Does it make sense that from all kinds of galaxies/planets/species from all the infinite amounts of creatures, God comes always back in a human form? Kind of limited to be reincarnation as a human always, why not as a DMT Machine Elf for example?

containment, absorption and reabsorption of energy, storing it in the dantien and refining it to the philosophers stone. As described in his book the magnum opus. OBE visualizations to create a strong double body. After a lot of practice they become as vivid as real life. See his OBE book. And in his book the way of the projectionist, he goes into more details to make it more effective. And you channel the energy you accumulate through energetic containment into the OBE visualizations, thus in the creation of you double body, which makes it more powerful. When your double body is very 'solid' you transfer your whole consciousness into it, and thus leave your physical body forever, it will then just be dead. For that to work you need the energy from your philosopher's stone. How exactly to do that, he wants to write about in a future book. This doesn't necessarily contradict enlightenment. Being enlightened means you know you are God, yet the experience of a physical body continues. After death of the physical body, the experience as a point of awareness probably continues even if you are enlightened, then you have an etheral body, and then perhaps incarnate somewhere else. John Kreiter says the purpose of transferring your consciousness to the double body is to escape prison earth, the matrix and the reincaranation cycle. But there are also other ways of doing that. One is to avoid the light trap after death and escape through a hole in the grid. probably another one is to become enlightened. John Kreiter's way would probably have some advantages though. You would have a smooth transtion, without a gap with a loss of consciousness and thus you would be guaranteed to be lucid and fully in control. And you will keep the philosopher's stone (it is non-physical) thus you keep this energy/power. John Kreiter said he will write more about reincarnation in his next book.