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Awakening to God....is a form of suicide. You drop attachment to the body without harming it. It creates the same fear someone will experience say falling to their death. A fear so intense....you cannot move.

Interesting prediction, some circles definitely push that perspective. I foresee the opposite, a fusion of both worlds. Look into an increase of spiritual awakenings happening in America. What if I told you that technology and spirituality are not mutually exclusive? What if I told you the screen of a tablet, cell phone, laptop, desktop, and t.v., is a more direct pointer to God than any of these mystical traditions? People who believe that we need some anti-technology/anti-AI movement don't understand that technology and AI actually push humanity to awakening to God faster. Even the financial problems help because it causes more suffering which pushes humans to look inward for answers, it also causes some to attempt suicide and have NDE's. ^^^And yes what I just wrote sounds evil but hey it is what it is.

Death is always avoided on a primal level. An animal doesn't need no beliefs to fight for life. It just does. Same applies to You. You'd know that if You spoke from experience. Anything is considered "good or bad" because of beliefs. But that doesn't mean there isn't such thing as right action. There is and it's purely intuitive, flowing in the moment. If You really tried committing suicide I can guarantee You it wouldn't be right. You'd be going against yourself. In fact You most likely wouldn't be able to do it at all because You'd experience fear so intense your stomach would twist. That's what happens when You go against You. You can test this if You dare. (or better don't) You are under the belief that death being wrong is a belief. Yes, that's still a belief. You've fallen into another trap because You're not doing serious work and You're intellectualizing all the time. Instead of wisdom from experience You get beliefs from whatever thoughts arise. And I'm Donald the Duck.

I like to want death and by like I mean it's painful. I actually prefer to be absorbed in existence. Distraction is the way, because distraction is passion. I am not passionate for death, I simply feel a need to escape what hurts. I do not have a threat to myself because I know that death is not the way. There is no point in telling people to embrace suicide, and you saying it kinda misses the point of suffering to the point of needing escape. you say you "So please understand I'm not advocating suicide or urging anyone to commit suicide. " but then do it, how funny you are! I am not wit the answer though. All I know is what keeps me embracing life.

But aren't I the creator of this video game? So surely I can decide to end it or skip ahead without having to repeat it. But even if I couldn't, what levels are there to complete in actual eternity? Technically I would have already played this one an infinite amount of times and all the potential new ones. No matter which way you put it, if you dig deep enough suicide is absolutely fine and even preferable in a lot of cases.

I agree with you all . I would argue that the central question is: Is there something that is "better" than continuing to exist? Because I don't believe that there is a taboo against suicide..per se. The taboo is against claiming that life is valueless. Which should be so fucking obvious if you dare to contemplate that you gonna die anyways . And life is filled with suffering. So why not end it all already and be done with it all ? Seems better than suffering for fucking 90 years then dying anyways 😆 🤣.

Being serious about suicide is a part of what led me to awaken. If I hadn't thought about it I don't think I would have woke myself up. God said to me not yet let me kill you first. I think eckhart tolle have the same kinda experience where he said God i want to die and God killed him just not physically

But, what if death by suicide will never give you peace? What if you end up in hell/purgatory realm and you will be stuck there for eternity? Nobody really knows what happens after death/suicide... Nobody even knows if this reality isn't actually hell/purgatory realm.

I believe that if you are honest with yourself and look directly at what you are and what this life is, you will know exactly what the path to follow is, and that path can be suicide. In our society people die of illness and old age and that is real shit, it is much better to be eaten by a tiger or shot with an arrow. but dying in a hospital at 80 years old after a 3-year incurable illness....that's huge shit that billions of humans constantly go through. I have always looked for the most optimal option possible in life, taking into account my possibilities. I think that if I see myself like this, the best option would be to jump into the sea with a stone tied to me. Let's see if there are balls. shit, it takes a lot of balls. I am shaking now seeing the real moment of the suicide. the most glorious death. the most worthy, that of the man who decides his destiny, who rises among the flock and walks his way

Israel created the barbaric violence of October 7th, in the same way it created the violence that will with absolute certainty come its way in retaliation for its actions in Gaza today. The official narrative makers always try to restart history at the moment of the last act of violence from Palestinians, because it is only by framing such violence as unprovoked that they can legitimize the idea that it’s possible to bomb a population into submission and obedience. But of course, it is not possible to bomb a population into submission and obedience. Every atrocity you inflict upon them will only increase their desire for revenge — a desire Israelis should sympathize with since it has consumed them and turned them into crazed genocide cheerleaders since October 7. But their desire for vengeance is only made possible by the false mainstream narrative that the attack came from nowhere, completely unprovoked. The actual crime that Palestinians are being punished for is refusal to submit. That’s all this conflict has ever been, from the very beginning. Palestinians refused to accept being thrown off their land and killed and forcibly displaced at the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, and that refusal has seen them hammered with tremendous amounts of violence and oppression from year to year and from decade to decade under the premise that it’s possible to bomb and tyrannize a population into obedience. Nothing will radicalize you toward violence faster than seeing your neighbors and loved ones ripped apart by military explosives supplied by a globe-spanning empire. Nothing will ensure further violent resistance more certainly than murdering Palestinian children by the thousands in plain view of everyone. Which means that nothing but restitution, reparations and return of land to the Palestinians will end this nightmare once and for all. - Caitlin Johnstone Did you know that since the United States brought its “war on terror” to Africa, terrorist attacks on that continent have increased by 75,000 percent? That’s right: 75, then three zeros, percent. I learned this neat little stat from a new article by journalist Nick Turse, who also notes that “according to the Pentagon, terrorist attacks in the Sahel region alone have resulted in 9,818 deaths — a 42,500% increase.” People have been documenting the way attempts to bomb terrorism out of existence actually creates more terrorism for many years. In 2010 Professor Robert A Pape wrote an article for Foreign Policy titled “It’s the Occupation, Stupid” about his study with University of Chicago which found that suicide bombings are the result not of Islamic fundamentalism but of foreign military occupations. Some notable excerpts: “More than 95 percent of all suicide attacks are in response to foreign occupation.” “As the United States has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, which have a combined population of about 60 million, total suicide attacks worldwide have risen dramatically — from about 300 from 1980 to 2003, to 1,800 from 2004 to 2009.” “Over 90 percent of suicide attacks worldwide are now anti-American.” “Each month, there are more suicide terrorists trying to kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries than in all the years before 2001 combined. From 1980 to 2003, there were 343 suicide attacks around the world, and at most 10 percent were anti-American inspired. Since 2004, there have been more than 2,000, over 91 percent against U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries.”

If suicide is the path you take, no one can judge you. However I believe you don't really want to go down that path because you haven't committed suicide yet. I think most people in our lives (not including the folks who responded here) don't understand how difficult it is when we live with our bodies emitting a deep negative energy almost non-stop. In this state our body is in a serious fight or flight mode, trying to defend ourselves from certain possibilities that may deem us unworthy of love, that makes us feel completely ashamed. I understand that some people are just trying not to drown in these waves of emotions, but have you ever wondered if you could change your outer circumstance, what outer changes do you need in order to not feel like living in hell? This might be an interesting question, because it might be the case that no amount of money or success in any area can guanrantee us true satisfaction. Basically what @UnbornTao said above is quite true, however that level of mindfullness is too high for us now. Might have to continue fighting, but do some comtemplation of these types of questions at the same time.

Thanks for all your replys. It does help. The hopelessness comes from the fact that I really struggle and fight and nothing changes. I have chronic physical and psychological pain since something happened to me. I often think about suicide but maybe that is just karma I have to deal with. It is hard for me to imagine that I accumulated so much karma in this life(unless I really have been blind to the full extent of my selfishness) or I’m open to the fact that I am dealing with karma from past lifes. In the end, there’s no much of a difference between dying now or suffering still. So I guess I’ll take the pain.

Do you think that's why they took my phone? And my phone was missing forever . And they bought me a new one. In the hospital, I wasn't allowed to have my phone at all for over a month. They cut my contacts completely. And force me to do ect. For a few weeks. I have a few sessions of it. I never have lost consciousness in my life before. But they did it to me. And during the pandemic , and during these times, I had not wanted to shake hand with my father at all. Or even let anyone touch me, but when my mom wasn't around, (it is just me and my father and on that day, that guest) he touch me with all his heart. Holding my hands. And I felt disgusted by it . I can't remember exactly who's holding what, but I think it was both of them. Why would anyone took my phone? Is it because my phone will be evidence that I'm not crazy? They're evil. What do ect will do to me? It's just evil. It doesn't work for me/anything. It's just pure evil. And I was very much like a saint before that. I don't do anything bad. I never skip my prayer. I read the Quran. I was doing fine. If anything, I don't wanna be dependent on anyone/them. I remembered how I want to walk to buy something. And how I made my own cash on delivery online purchases. (This is a big thing because I don't know how to make online transaction) and I just simply don't wanna be dependent on them. At one point. I was very distant even. Because I don't wanna have anything to do with some thing. I get out of their Whatsapp group. Somehow. I hate to be dependent on my parents and I don't. During the pandemic, I remember that we made certain changes in that we no longer visit others houses. And people became a little distant. We all have our own room. And I don't wanna be close to some of family members. I was put into the mental hospital by force. I got disconnected from all of my social circles. (And it's forever) at this time I had a lot of synchronicities with a lot of people. But cutting me off from my contact and social media really disrupted it. And I was forced to stay in the hospital until about a month. I have missed new years eves and Christmas altogether. And I had to shower and pee in public. It was like a Chinese hospital with a lot of chinese. I get used to it but I despise the hospital. I hate the fact that they're cutting me from my high ground. Cutting me completely. And I have to be really people smart to save myself in the hospital. Because or else they would threaten me. I thought I want to convert everyone in that hospital to save myself or else I'd be really fucked up. Because there is this hospital and on the other side of the spectrum is my light . There is light. There is no such thing as mental illness in my religion. And I just thought that if I wanna save myself I would have to make everyone like myself or I'd be really fucked up. But I am already fucked. I saw people being dragged by female male nurses and was tied to the bed. No one wants to be tied. Even if you're not crazy they would accused you of being crazy. I learned that if you're suicidal you would be put into a mental hospital too. But fuck I was far away from being suicidal. The girl next to me has attempted suicide. There's only four people who are young including me. The others are old people. And a Chinese girl younger than me had been in there for a long time. Probably since she was young. I don't know her case but she seems very sane to me. I don't know when she'll ever get out. When you think about it, you're time wasted in the mental hospital. Your youth. She's even pretty. I wish she would get out as soon as possible but she's not. I just hate the hospital. It shouldn't exist. Heh. It's very old fashioned. Stuck in the past. They had stole my 26yo from me. I had a few days left to celebrate my 26years. And it is my things that are stolen when I was in the hospital. So who's crazy? Who's criminal? Who's at fault here? If anything it was me who lost my things when I was away. And when I'm back my mom keeps accusing me that I wasn't sane.

I don't know where to start. I've been watching Leo's video for 4-5 years now and as you all know during the past 2 years or so he went deeper and deeper into the "truth". During the last two weeks, I've been living a nightmare. I went to the emergency 3x because I had thoughts of "I'm going to die".. as if the personality was going to die. I'm shaking in fear, I can't eat, I can't sleep. I've been meditating for 2 years now, but it seems I've watched too many videos where people saying "it's an illusion, nothing is real, you are god, death is an illusion, etc". I'm pretty sure my mind is now creating a fake enlightenment. I feel like nothing is real, I'm not real, why not dying now. Even though, I'm still afraid of many things, I still have desires. I never wanted to know the truth, I just wanted to be happy. I tried contacting a Buddhist school close to where I am, but they told me to see a psychiatrist. But what am I going to say to the guy.. "hey by the way you are not real". I'm slowly running out of options I feel. Anyone could help me?

3 things that I like that are happening in my experience: Having the freedom to commit suicide. Having the "privilege" of not being locked up and drugged. Having a good nights sleep. 3 things that I am imagining doing right now that I would like to experience: Getting power. Ordering their removal. Sailing around the Medditereanean sea with a boat full of oats and $499,000 dollars on my bank account.

If i would have had a choice i would never have taken the psychedelic route. Having a guru and a natural way is the way to go to god. Psychedelics is like insanity/awe/suicide in 1 word, that's why i stopped with this work.

Securing a living space was not what Hitler was looking for. Hitler was a sick individual bent on global domination. He desired to annihilate all other races but his own and to establish complete sovereignty. This is selfishness at its absolute core and why he ended up committing suicide as the world closed in on him - as reality closed in on him.. And no one is playing the chosen people card. They might be a people scorned from ages of persecution- and they react like a woman scorned. But know this - what we are talking about is survival. Survival for Israel is retaining their land and destroying their oppressors. Unfortunately - along the way the have lost their humanity- but this was because their humanity was stolen from them first over hundreds of years of persecution.

Well yeah, it's easier for him to cope with his handicap in America, with all that support, love and a bit of wealth around him. I can show you videos of non handicapped, beautiful people with circumstances that make it unbearable. Sometimes even wealthy people fall into life traps that make them suicidal and ultimately commit suicide. Congradulations to the little man going through this kind of a life. I'd support him as well if I could. Idk what I want to say. I mean, are you recommending I find a black boyfriend, hahah I mean, yeah, that would be great. Asian, black, I love em all.

have seen several videos of terrorists captured on 7/10, it is obvious that they say what they are ordered. They are not in a pleasant situation, they are stupid, how do you go on a suicide mission and allow to be captured?

If we all agreed on everything perfectly= DEATH. Can't have that. When I became aware that conflict actually avoids death it blew my mind. Yes conflict can lead to death, but it's also an avoidance of death. How would you feel if you walked outside and everything you said and did....everyone agreed with? Then when you thought of something....someone said it out loud? It would completely destroy everything. This thing is so well done that even when you wake up it can pull you back in. I mean my sensory experience is that of duality and nonduality at the same time...and still if I got kidnapped and subjected to torture that would be one hellish experience for me. I have yet to master my consciousness to an extent to remove my awareness of all that pain. I admit I could still love them afterwards if they let me survive, but ummm I would avoid them like the plague and would have to spend some time working through that shit. But with that said it would depend what state of consciousness I was in, because at a high enough state that torture would feel like ecstasy. The Love of God is so powerful it can drive a human to suicide, its too seductive.

I think that these points are routed in two misconceptions. Essentially, I think that you believe that the root cause of Palestinian aggression is the situation with Israel, and you think Israel has the power to solve it due to their position of strength. I don't think that's true at all. First of all, you have to consider the possibility that Palestinian society and leadership don't want peace and they don't want anything that will maintain the state of Israel. Westerners have difficulty grasping this, but the reality is that some cultures actually embrace violence and some societies actually value war and even the killing of the innocent. Westerners tend to think that 'everybody just wants to have peace' or 'everybody is like us because we are all human.' This is a fundamental misconception. Yes, we are all human. So was Stalin, and so was Saddam Hussein. The Mongols and Nazis were also human. That doesn't mean that they didn't value genocide or brutal raiding and territorial expansion. The second thing is, that I know it makes sense to claim that Israel's control radicalizes them, and if Israel didn't control them, this wouldn't happen. I just don't think that's entirely true. And I think there is nothing worse for Palestinian society than self-governing. The situation will deteriorate into something like what happened in Syria or Yemen. Take a look for example at Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. The Palestinian society is no different (in fact, it's worse). Consider also the internal conflict between Hamas and the PLO in 2006. The events of the past 100 years suggest that this is a deeply ingrained aspect of Palestinian society. They exhibit violent behavior, not just towards Israel but towards themselves. And this pattern persists no matter what happens with Israel. Regardless of whether Israel had a state or not, regardless if in was during the occupation or not, before and after Israel left Gaza. This violent mentality has persisted. I think there is nothing that Israel can do, within the realm of reason that will not result in their own existential serious risk, which would change this fundamental issue. I'm not saying it can't change, but there is no indication from the past century that this change is foreseeable. Israel can make wise or unwise policy choices, but the power to fundamentally resolve this issue is beyond their reach. The second misconception is the belief that understanding someone's perspective implies the need to appease them. I can understand why Germany descended into Nazism after WWI. The Treaty of Versailles humiliated them, there were dire economic conditions, and some other factors. But that doesn't mean their regime wasn't utterly barbaric and didn't need to be dealt with using force. You see, when someone is at your door with a rifle, intent on brutally killing you and your family, you kill them. Afterwards you can investigate if he had a difficult childhood. That is what any reasonable, life-cherishing actor would do. Some more specific points: 1.I understand what you're saying. But historically, it wasn't always the case. Jews endured a Holocaust and did not commit such atrocities systematically. 2. + 3. Israelis have endured ongoing terror attacks since the establishment of their state, including many suicide bombings and tens of thousands of rockets targeted at the civilian population over the years (imagine growing up with the constant sound of rocket alarms). Terrorism has a profound effect on a society (consider 9/11 as an extreme example). For many years, their state also faced a genuine survival challenge. This is not a walk in the park, and it profoundly impacts a society. In any case, in reality, they are actually much less ruthless (much much less) and much more inclined towards seeking peace (much much more). This is not solely a consequence of the power imbalance btw. These differing moral standards were present before 1948. 4. I don't see it that way because I believe that historical decisions made by the Palestinians have led to the current situation, making it nearly unavoidable. In my view, a society that initiated war and subsequently lost it is not in a position to dictate the terms. And when they continue with violence, they shouldn't be viewed as the victims (and thus I don't view the Israelis as the aggressors). Anyway, of course I hold Israel to a higher standard because it is a liberal democracy. But I understand the very difficult military situation they are facing, and I recognize Hamas's manipulation of numbers and civilian statistics, as well as militant tactics that deliberately endanger civilians. I also acknowledge that in any conflict, atrocities unfortunately occur. In relative terms, I believe Israel is acting reasonably. They are not intentionally targeting civilians. They are allowing them to evacuate. And yes, they are determined to neutralize Hamas's militant capabilities and secure the release of their hostages. This is war, and it's not a pleasant situation.

I am not sure I understood the analogy. Oslo greement tried to make them quite independent what made the terror worse with suicide bombs in Israeli cities twice a week! Israel should have go in there from new and conquer parts of the west bank. It seems to me you don't want to discuss seriously so unless you explain more I stop here. I dont know why you feel this hatred and I dont remember from where you are. You can share if you want but I think you just want to argue.

Does anyone know where I can get encouraged or motivated to commit suicide?

You have heard all value is relative but I'll give you an exercise to understand things better. Close your eyes. Now for the purposes of this exercise go along with what I am saying. When you close your eyes all you see is darkness, now imagine you are whoever you most admire in life that isn't the human person you usually think of as you. Now...that imagination that you are doing is literally equal to that person right now. Think of it like this....imagine each human body is like a vehicle, and this vehicle once you inhabit it, it has its own personality, its own memories, its own psychological profile etc....so the same driver of that vehicle is driving everything, but the experiencer of that vehicle is the same in all vehicles. So think about this!!! As a result...how can anyone actually be less than or greater than...when it is the same driver? It's like playing a fighting game against a bunch of players...but its the same player. Why is this important? It's important because it means....you as God are your own limit. You can NEVER EXCEED YOURSELF. Nobody in life can actually achieve more than you or less than you....because its the same player playing everything. This is also why Reality/Life as a whole cannot be improved...because its all YOU. YOU are your own limit. The development of human kind, is YOUR development level. No difference!! This is why you cannot stay in ego forever. Because the ego always thinks something is wrong with it....how can there be anything wrong...when there is ONE PLAYER, playing everything? You see how silly that is? Now with that said....don't take this on as a belief. That won't work! You need to give full effort everyday, maximum effort. Go at life hard!!! Until you burn through your karma, your attachments and then only then...can you truly do this work. You WILL NOT awaken sooner or later than you are supposed too. Why? Because you are LOVE. You will ask...what does that mean. Easy!!! Love is that which is an ever expanding mystery unto itself. Love acts for its own sake, and not for an other. Love is the highest authority and the greatest servant. Love is the most rebellious submissive, and that is why it is true. Love discovers what it is, when it is faced with pain and misery, because since Love is all there is, Love is its own friend and enemy, its own limit. So look at all of life and realize....everything you ever experience is YOU. It cannot be any other way just like YOU cannot be any other way and that is just the way it is. Look at this beautiful woman, many that knew her said they thought she was living the DREAM LIFE. ^^^^^ God gave itself everything....but because God did not know LOVE in that dream....God could not feel whole. This is why SELF-LOVE is the highest teaching. But you MUST first start with your human avatar. Unconditionally love the avatar, then expand that love outward. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Check out this next video. I look at this woman and believe she is beautiful. But she looks at herself without makeup and believes she looks like shit! Do you see? Wake up!!! Why do I see beauty where she does not? Self-Love!!! This is why you cannot fake love, you cannot fake acceptance. If you have to plaster something on to feel beautiful, that is conditional beauty, conditional acceptance, conditional love. So you have asked....why does God allow quote on quote bad things to happen? To break you out of your conditional love for yourself. Now notice the traditional marriage vows that people take in a partner: "The vows: "In the name of God, I, ___, take you, ___, to be my wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, until parted by death. This is my solemn vow." Do you take your human avatar to have and to hold from this day forward for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, until parted by death? Would you marry the human you have created? Do you love what you see daily? Notice....your whole life you have been TOLD what to love, TOLD what to value. According to world wide tracking of suicides: An estimated 1 million people worldwide die by suicide every year. Globally, suicide ranks among the three leading causes of death among those aged 15 to 44 years. Attempted suicides are up to 20 times more frequent than completed ones. So why listen to a world that tries to force its version of love onto you? Why listen to a world that is built on conditional love? When you were a baby you had no shame....shame is TAUGHT, conditioned into you!!! Anytime you feel shame as an adult realize...that is just conditioning. Why do you think some groups do PRIDE demonstrations? They are trying to free themselves from their conditioned shame!!! From the conditions that were imposed upon them!! All conditions are relative, amorphous, inconsistent, subject to change, what is absolutely true is there is only YOU, always teaching you what love is. So Love is the only thing that is TRUE, because it shows that no matter the conditions Love is what survives all conditions. Live a life of acceptance, and you live a life of truth.

My Understanding of What is Going On I had a rough idea as to what was going on in Palestine from my classes, specifically in my human rights classes, but I wouldn't say that I was well versed in it. I made much more of an effort in figuring out what was happening and I discussed this matter with a friend who specialized in this region as an international relations major. I got her seal of approval and I think I have a decent grasp as to what is happening right now. I made a little slide show since my friend and I didn't have much time to talk this out. That way she could take in the info in her own time and then give me feed back accordingly. I shared this with others and basically I think this is straight forward and easy to understand so I wanted to include it in my journal (also, I'm proud of my work). But unfortunately, I don't have enough space left in my attachments to add this file to my journal so I'm going to try to improvize. What about the U.S.: The U.S. gives Israel billions to fund their military. But why? The far right religious nut cases believe that having Jewish people in the Promise Land will bring the rapture and the second coming of Christ sooner. The Democrats love saying that “it’s complicated” in order to continue protecting their hegemony in the Middle East Both parties treat Israel as a giant military base and pawn to negotiate with other middle eastern countries for “strategic military and economic reasons.” No bitch, it’s imperialism. They love saying that they are doing this to preserve Israel as the only democracy in the Middle East but let’s be real, it’s a lie to make us feel better about ourselves and make us look like we care about the well being of the people around us when we clearly don’t given the way Palestinians are treated. Plus, it’s not our place to impose our standard of government to other people as that can cause even more instability in an area. We are not the world’s police force Basically, the U.S. is the hot Cheeto girl of the international community who loves to pick fights at 7:55 am after guzzling Brisk Lemonade. (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J7wlUtrxZc) See unlike Cassie (Israel), Maddie (the U.S.) still has friends. Those friends are afraid of the U.S. to a certain degree because they know how volatile the U.S. can be and don’t want to get on their bad side. No one likes Cassie but the other countries keep their mouths shut because or else that’s like social suicide. Everyone talks shit about Cassie amongst themselves because Cassie is a messy bitch. The Rhetoric: Genocidal Rhetoric Genocidal Sentiments: Note, while there are genocidal sentiments on both sides, this isn’t some all lives matter shit. Israel is significantly more powerful because of global backing and military power therefore they harbor most of the responsibility Genocidal Rhetoric: Palestine Palestine : After being subjected to violence and a lack of food, water, and electricity and general instability, it’s understandable that some Palestinians have wanted to retaliate against Israel. When you have been destabilized for so long and you have seen generations worth of violence, you become desensitized to it and it becomes a valid way of dealing with your problems because that’s what’s been modeled to you and you have already lost so much to where sacrificing yourself and killing others doesn’t seem like a big deal. Enter Hamas: When some people get so desperate and feel so powerless, they resort to joining terrorist groups and adopting extremist forms of religion as a way to gain back a sense of control. Hamas is not a group of principled freedom fighters, they are terrorists and they also terrorize Palestinians. They are an Islamofacist group. Israel loves Hamas because it helps the villainize and further demonize/dehumanize the Palestinian civilians and it emboldens the Israeli far right. There have been other groups that have tried to help Palestine by using more moderate and secular means, but they have been destroyed and bombed. However, Israel kept Hamas around because they are easy to blame and because it will hurt the optics of Palestanian liberation if that liberation gets conflated with a terrorist group Basically, messy bitches love other messy bitches so that they can set each other up and not people who are actually trying to help in a constructive because nonmessy people won’t play stupid games to win stupid prizes. Genocidal Rhetoric: Israel Israel has also been subjected to violence though not in the same scale as Palestinians. The Israeli citizens aren’t inherently genocidal monsters rather they have been subjected to decades of right wing propaganda. Israeli citizens are also required to serve in the IDF for two years and this further reinforces the need to militarize and contribute to the cause for every citizen. It reinforces the propaganda. There is also a whole thing with birth right trips that are funded by the state which are basically indoctrination vacations to draw people in for the relocation / settler projects to further displace Palestinians The Israeli government loves to conflate Jewish people with Zionism and Israel. Therefore, if you make any critiques, you’re labeled as an anti-semite because critiquing them = critiquing all Jewish people They also want to conflate all Palestinians with Hamas to justify the slaughter. They are willing to frame the murder of civilians as them fighting through a human shield. This makes the citizens seem like an extension of Hamas and absolves the IDF of any responsibility of killing people because it’s framed as if it’s Hamas’s fault that these citizens were in the line of fire even though they were intending to go in and murder civilians anyway. The killing is framed as a necessary evil or it’s framed as something Hamas did to Palestine. You can be pro-Palestine Liberation and not support Hamas. Killing civilians is never ok for either side. It’s one thing if a civilian is in the line of fire but it’s another thing to target civilians specifically. This is to both Hamas and IDF. I’m not going to be cherry picking who my critique applies to What Hamas did was fucked up and using the name of revolution for some men to enact their sick and twisted rape fantasies is taking the revolution’s name in vain. It also emboldens Israel’s far right and it isn’t surprising that Israel is acting the way they are given their track record. The Palestinian people don’t deserve to suffer because of Hamas and we need to focus on the genocide that is taking place now rather than hyperfocusing on Hamas. Hyperfocusing on Hamas and not having any systemic critique does more harm than good in terms of Palestinian support and further strengthens Islamophobic sentiments. It made me uncomfortable when people tried to frame the initial atrocities that Hamas committed as an example of Palestinians fighting for freedom. This is because Palestinians deserve better than Hamas, an Islamofacist terrorist group, and because the Israeli government loves shit like this because it strengthens their propaganda and support for genocide as we are seeing now. I’m upset that I’m right about this but I’m glad I didn’t jump the band wagon of misinformed advocacy early on because I think a lot of Americans didn’t know what Hamas was or what they were supporting but knew that they didn’t like the state of Israel and colonization. This specific point is for all of the people who were trying to justify killing, raping, and taking Israeli citizens as hostages as “you can’t tell indigenous people how to fight oppression and express how they are unheard.” I agree with that but it doesn’t mean that you take it out on CIVILLIANS. Combatants and soldiers, yes but not civilians. You can criticize Israel and Zionism without being hateful towards Jews. Because people can’t grasp these points, there have been hate crimes towards Jewish people and Muslims in the U.S. and people saying all types of dumb shit because of how liberal identity politics hyper focusses on religion rather than looking at the material conditions and ideologies of each parties. There are also a group of Nazis that just like Zionists, conflate all Jewish people and Zionism and the state of Israel as a way to demonize Jewish people. There are also Nazis that love Israel because the concept of an ethnostate and genocide appeals to them. It’s Anti-Semetic to assume all Jewish people are Zionists in the same way that it’s Islamophobic to assume all Muslim people are jihadists/terrorists/Islamofacists. The Rhetoric: Religious Conflict: Religious conflict are rarely solely about religious text alone. It usually has to do with colonialism. The conflict between Northern and Southern Ireland are often framed as a conflict between Protestants and Catholics. It however originated from British colonization and was a territorial dispute. The Hindu and Muslim conflict in South Asia (Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh) has its roots to British colonization and how the British tried to divide and conquer the population so that they won’t rise up against the colonization. Similarly, the Israeli Occupation is due to the U.K. not knowing how to mind their own business. You don’t need to understand the details of the religious doctrine (if anything that can potentially cause you lose the forest for the trees). You need to understand the power dynamics that are involved. The Rhetoric: Religious Nationalism: So Israel and India are besties because they both hate Muslim people and because they have similar ideologies regarding religious nationalism. Wanting a homeland for their religious group and kick everyone else out. Honest to god, just die mad about it. That’s my stance. Like I’m sorry you don’t have a homeland but you can’t just kick people out and ethnically cleanse them. I don't care what you went through, no one deserves an ethnostate Painting this as a conflict that has been going on for centuries even though this isn’t accurate. This makes the conflict seem inherent thus causing people to not try to resolve it thus reinforcing the status quo. They also want you to forget about the past where people got along because that will conflict with their world view and how people can move past such differences. They overemphasize religious differences and segregate communities so that it’s easier to pit people against each other and ignore the real problem which is colonialism. Segregation aids in dehumanization because if you aren’t seeing a population face to face, it’s easier to paint narratives about the people you are segregated from since you aren’t interacting with them regularly and see that they are just like every other person you come across. They continue to paint themselves as the victims even though they have most of the power in the dynamic (though this isn’t a religious nationalism thing, it’s a fascism thing generally speaking). bUT iT’S comPliCaTEd!!!! : Yes and No No it’s not complicated: We insist on complicating things in the U.S. so that people can shut down and because things get complicated when you try to mix the U.S. messy self interest and try to fulfill that while reconciling the occupation. It’s kind of like when Cassie was being held accountable for fucking Nate but she kept saying that “it’s complicated” and “we weren’t girl friend and boyfriend” in order to make herself look and feel better. You can spin this however you want but the fact of the matter is that Gaza have been cut off from food, water and electricity and thousands have died from bombs and the people have nowhere left to go other than to die from the explosions or die from a lack of food and water. Hamas has left the chat and now innocent civilians who cannot fight back are paying the price. This isn’t a war because you need two combatting sides. Israel is the aggressor and they are committing a genocide right now. It’s not morally complicated. Genocide is bad. Colonization and displacement is bad. But because there is a lot of pro-Israeli propaganda, the media makes it difficult to frame this situation as colonization and loves to paint any anti-Zionists as Anti-semetic, thus shutting down all critique and making the clear facts blurry. While this isn’t a morally complicated, yes this situation is logistically complicated when it comes to solutions. Previously there was a debate between a one state solution, where the area is all one country, and a two state solution where you have an Israel and a Palestine. The two state solution is obviously not working since Israel is committing war crimes. The one state solution poses additional challenges on how to structure the government after the intervention, where the settlers will go (since especially if they were born there and Israel is all they know it’s fucked up to tell them to leave), where will the Palestinians go, and how tf everyone will live together with all of the genocidal rhetoric going on. You don’t want to integrate Palestinians into a burning house full of Zionists where they will be hate-crimed on the daily. Also fascism is a problem. While I’m not super well versed in the international relations in the Middle East, I’m sure whatever solution that is proposed has its own power dynamic shifts to take into consideration that are legitimate and aren’t rooted in U.S. or imperial self interests.