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3: I have quite a few suicidal thoughts. I don’t suffer enough nowadays to take action on it, but I do see it like this potential way out when I can’t bear it anymore and nothing seems to work. Someone posted a thread asking why people commit suicide. I think a more interesting question would be why people don’t. I sometimes hear about horrible things people go through, for example recently I read about cluster headaches which is described by some as worse than childbirth. Also trigeminal neuralgia is up there. I’ve been browsing forums just a little bit for people who have this. I don’t understand how they keep going, if there is no treatment for them , have they not tried to kill themselves? How ? If I had so much pain that it’s like I’m giving birth over and over again I don’t know how long I’d live. I know trigeminal neuralgia is called “suicide disease” and cluster headaches are called “suicide headaches “ so there are probably people who do kill themselves by it, but I’m more fascinated by those who don’t.

I find it more fascinating how people don’t commit suicide when I hear some of the horror they go through , like what keeps them going

Thanks for everything Leo. Maybe its not the final station, but it makes me think the ultimate reality and consciousness can never be realized, which is akin to what Islam and Sufism teaches. If you can awaken ever deeper, the ultimate can never be known. But hey, maybe im wrong. Its just all too much for me, you're a radical dude. I want to add that anyone reading this, who thinks actualized is some kind of suicide cult, thats extremely wrong. No, Leo's teachings are not good for people who are suicidal or extremely stuck in life, but that is simply because Leo thinks and teaches that nihilism is true. But the dominant view of western contemporary philosophy is also that nihilism is true. So that would make the entire west a suicide cult. Leo has always teached a love for life and to not harm the body, and Leo has even on many occasions shed tears of Love in his videos, for the beauty of life and consciousness. Plus, the idea that an open forum, where anyone can criticise Leo all they want, like this is anywhere close to a cult is a ridiculous idea. Yes, you could say that Leo's stance on solipsism might cause people to justify their suicide, but i would counter this with saying that western contemporary nihilism is no different. Even if you kill yourself, your parents will only suffer infinitessimally short compared to the void that is ahead of them. So theres really no difference in that regard anyway.

OCD can be pretty serious. I have a form of it; obsessions are so strong in OCD that it can dramatically impact one's quality of life and mental health. So I understand how it can cause suicide. When something doesn't go right (most of the time, just a tiny detail in the eyes of anybody else), I get very strong reactions and obsessive thoughts about it. I can't distract myself because I am completely consumed by my thoughts. They are extremely intrusive and won't go away. I stop living normally for a few hours or days, until the thoughts and emotions slowly pass. I resist changing my mind or using a technique to calm my obsession so strongly because it feels so wrong. It’s really hard to understand, even for me, because this is not who I am most of the time; it’s my mind and extreme stubbornness controlling me. I think that I have a very deep aspiration to realize something meaningful in this life and that I am particularly strong and capable of enduring prolonged suffering. If I weren't, I would have already commited suicide. OCD obsessions are very hard to live with and often come with depression… for good reasons. So from my experience, OCD can cause serious suffering and lead to suicide if not taken care of, especially in times of crisis.

It would be wise to seriously contemplate what suicide is.

You make some good points, fair enough. I know we all want to have fulfilling relationships that work with our belief systems and are in harmony with the rest of our lives. I don’t deny there were problems then with power imbalances in the “good old days.” I can’t say things are equal now either though. Maybe unfairness and injustice are just a natural feature of relationships we have to accept, ever changing. Because it is dishonest to say things are somehow better now. I’m tired of the feminist dialogue trying to play the victim and rewrite history as if every woman was suffering in their relationships then. There is no possible way to know things are somehow better now. It had it’s challenges then and men have their challenges now. Seeing how year in and year out more men are committing suicide, lonely, incels, twitch tv viewers, but men are told to suck it up and there isn’t an issue here. I’m pointing out its way better to date abroad for the majority of guys, and be desired for just being a normal fun guy on a continuous changing path of transformation. I’ve checked out. I’m not dating on western terms and no it’s not because I want a sex object. I want an actual feminine woman. Different powers but balanced and equal in harmony. Yin Yang ☯️ I am tired of seeing continuous info that this is “just a man problem” where they just need to hit the gym and better themselves. This is something everyone should be doing regardless. This is a society problem where things are now out of balance in the other direction.

Thanks . Just curious..why did you decide to share this after 4 months of the suicide? He said clearly in the post that he is contemplating suicide. Leo and @Michael569 have tried to help him out .. I'm clueless about this specific disease. But from his description it was such a nasty experience I would imagine. Anyways i wish him all the best in whatever place he is in right now and for you to find a releive from negative emotions.

@Salvijus it's very heartbreaking. Reading that post and now his suicide incident..im literally shedding tears right now ..my day is ruined.

It's so weird being in here, writing stuff he will never read. Because I'm so used to this forum meaning him. Discussions with him and thoughts about him and me checking if he was online regularly if we didn't speak, worrying when his content seemed too much up in the clouds, worrying when he didn't write anything at all. I looked up to him so much, I was so amazed by his mind. But I was also so angry at him for spending so much time being in his own head thinking about God instead of just living and being and breathing with me. There's a memory I had forgotten, but it has kept returning after he has died. I had moved to the other city then, to study, but we talked on the phone, of course, It wasn't during one of the break periods. But I remember I was still surprised that he called me. That it was me he called. He was in shock, he had fallen off his bike, you know he used to drive so fast and recklessly it was insane, with his long-limbed alien-body no one could control - him the least! When I remember it, I can see him as if I am standing next to him looking at his wounds in the bathroom mirror, but it was just a phone call. He was laughing almost, from the shock, he said he probably should go to the hospital. he described his wounded face to me. There's something about that memory, I think it comes up because it felt so normal and earthly and I felt so... Like if by calling me, he said to me - yes, you are the one I call when I'm hurt and don't know what to do. And I felt able to comfort him. And included. I asked if I should come to his city and go with him to the hospital. He of course said no, but I should not have listened. Before he died I don't think I really understood regret. I thought I could go through life without ever regretting anything - because everything happens for a reason right. And the universe has a plan. I do still believe that. I can never not believe that, and he wouldn't have wanted me to. He would laugh at me if I lost faith, I can almost hear him. Rolling his eyes at me - like God in all is the most obvious thing. But fuck, what I wouldn't give to be able to turn back time and take that fucking two-hour train ride to sit with him in that fucking hospital, holding his hand. Pressing my head against his chest. Kissing his shoulder and neck and fingers. And now I'm crying and it's probably better to stop writing now because I really think I should do this in small steps. I think it could be good for me though, to write about it in here. I feel people in here know him in a way that is comforting to me. They know his mind and his words and his empathy and all of his stupid trips and contemplations.

@OBEler Although I don't like that he is being labeled as mentally ill, that is the main reason why he committed suicide. He was one of the most rational and intelligent people I have ever seen. Except when it came to his obsessions—he was very stubborn and insisted that these were not obsessions but real, objective problems. But in any case, thank you for sharing this. I really appreciate that you wanted to help him.

I'm sorry man. I hope you find peace. Be aware of the narrative you're telling yourself about your role in his suicide. ALL depends on what you're telling yourself. All of your emotions. It's not your fault.

I'm just going to snap here cause nothing makes sense a anymore and I can't fight my thoughts and feelings. Ban me if you need to. I don't know what to do anymore. Fuck words. Fuck humans. What are they so proud of themselves ? Words are nothing. Thoughts are nothing. What a joke. All wrong. Something's not right. I've reached an end. Human activities and thinking are not satisfying anymore. My whole soul is itching, there's nothing else to do. I'm speaking like I've seen it all but it's not even that. I didn't. I'm probably the person that have seen and done the less things on this forum. Yet I say all this. But it's true. I feel it, the world is dissolving around me, I don't even know how to explain all of this. I don't matter. I'm sorry. Angry vent. But it has to get somewhere even if it's useless. If you can still feel things and like things, please cherish this. Every second. It seems like I can't anymore and it's the absolute worse feeling. Goodbye. Maybe. Probably. (No worries, no suicide. I'm too weak for that)

You can access states of total bliss in meditation, but afterward you are still an animal that must kill to eat. The only way to stop being one is to commit suicide, so it's better to accept the game, see it for what it is and play it as best as possible. What other option could be?

The Oil-rich arab nations have small populations which can be easily managed as well as having a very good police to population ratio. Saudi Arabia have a population of 36 million and a strong police to population ratio of 386. The Shariat law with penalty of beheading for rape serves as a strong deterrent. However the poor quality of the obsolete legal system and laws means that the victim can be further punished as the supposed perpetrator, and the actual perpetrator can escape with minimal punishment. As per Shariat the raped victim must also produce four adult males who have witnessed the crime to validate her charges. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24438375 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/saudi-women-try-suicide-to-escape-social-pressure-idUSL12894106/ The media, unlike that in India, is highly regulated and subject to censoring by the monarchical government so as to filter out the bad news if any that can be injurious to the government's prestige, and strict constraints placed on the journalists freedom of speech and action. The murder of the reformist Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi by Saudi government agents is a glaring example in this regard. Khashoggi was a progressive journalist who advocated for reforms in the country and was critical of the ruling royal family. Khashoggi wrote in his last column, posthumously published, that "what the Arab world needs most is free expression" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi The same goes in dictatorial China as well, which in 2023 was the biggest global jailer of journalists. https://apnews.com/article/china-press-censorship-hong-lai-2caeedd86717ef4667ada868abf67eba In less economically developed middle eastern nations lacking oil resources, primitive and tribal traditions prevent the ensuring of full justice to the rape victim. Rape is considered dishonorable to the family's victim and at times the victim is shot dead by her relatives, or even forced to marry the rapist. https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2017/05/mais-haddad-arab-world-laws-protect-the-rapist-not-the-victim/ https://www.missingperspectives.com/posts/sisters-of-strength-unveiling-the-global-tapestry-for-womens-rights-from-the-mirabal-legacy-to-unheard-voices-in-the-middle-east/ https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/belief-that-honour-killings-are-justified-still-prevalent-among-jordans-next-generation-study-shows So the prevention of crimes against women and children requires not just a healthy police to poulation ratio of 222 and more, it also requires an adept and flawless legal system which efficiently and quickly delivers justice to the victim and punishes the perpetrator; ethically conscious lawyers, journalists and social activists in abundance to ensure that the laws are updated and not obsolete, implemented meticulously and law-breakers reported and punished. A value-based culture that deifies or humanizes women rather than dehumanizing or objectifying them is also part of the solution.

I know he has a video on nihilism and older videos about depression. But in the light of new levels of awareness he reached recently,I hope that Leo can cover the topic of depression and suicidal thoughts more in depth. Why antidepressants don't work ..and a spiritual advanced solution.

Studying this particular case, I would say it deals with a broader context rather than just rape-murder as it was projected to show. There was a previous case of a male doctor who had died in a 'suicide' in suspicious circumstances, after he had protested against certain illegal activities within the hospital premises. The present female doctor similarly had raised concerns and protested against an illegal drug racket within the hospital, as per her colleagues. Insiders and certain hierarchical figures within the hospital may have been involved in the lucrative drug racket. This could be a reason for her targeted killing by the culprit who may have had access to information regarding her scheduled activities and rest time, from insiders. It is possible that the mafia is involved, along with corrupt police, government and some ruling party activists who may be involved in the drug trade, and this could be a reason for their lackadaisical approach as well as stalling interventions in the investigation process while it was being conducted. The constant and large rallies by doctors nation-wide however gained attention at the national level, and elite federal policing units such as the CBI is now involved in the case. The female doctor involved was bespectacled,studious, a bit on the portly side and did not seem to look especially attractive on a sexual basis. Moreover doctors in Indian society are usually revered and respected and even equated with divinity. So it appeared a bit unnatural to me that a doctor was attacked in this manner as I had never come across such news before. It appears that she was targeted for other motives in place, rather than mere lust, and rape has been deceptively showcased as a reason for her murder. It could have just as easily been a male doctor who could have been similarly murdered to silence any voices against the drug mafia, with his death being projected as a 'suicide' as shown in the earlier precedent. Drug abuse is rising in India with billions of dollars worth of drugs being seized in ports and drones from across the borders. India's proximity to the drug based golden triangle in the east and Afghanistan in the west means that it is vulnerable to such entry of large-scale illegal drugs in the country.

The attention economy. A good way to exploit that economy is: divisiveness and sensationalism. (Historically), two things will happen during times of war or great conflict: suicide rates plummet, and newspaper sales surge. People get invested in crisis. The modern day media runs on stoking the fires of any crisis. They'll invent a crisis if they need to. "What changed in the 2010s was not so much the arrival of new technology as the rapid evolution of a business model, the monetisation of attention. This wasn’t a recent invention; indeed, it dated back to the “yellow journalism” of the 19th century, which used sensationalist stories and cheap cover prices to build big audiences that advertisers would pay to reach. But ubiquitous high-speed mobile internet has sent the attention economy into hyperdrive, plunging us into an online world structured to prioritise not the truth, or what matters most, but whatever’s most compelling, which often means whatever makes us angriest."

ness, you will not be capable of thinking God knows better than you, or that you were thrown into this existence because God has as a fundamental principle for itself to explore everything including absolute inescapable suffering. God is merely evil. And the only reason for me calling the forces above humanity "God" is because of the countless slam dunks atheists like Epicurus have had against religion. The smallest bit of Justice, Truth, Fairness, Universality etc. is so poisonous to the nature of reality that it attempts to stifle and destroy these things. Just one drop of them would cause reality to instantly dissolve into the perfect wish fulfillment fantasy for the victims of the world. Exhibit A: You think this is negative, that this is UGLY, distasteful, bitter, resentful etc. You are a thrown blameless being, but you choose to play the role of victim and brat and blame others for their own circumstances into which they themselves have been thrown into, this now makes you the opposite of blameless, but you need to keep going otherwise you would feel deep guilt for your ideological insanity and brainrot, you would start viewing the nature of your soul as worthless. Imagine being forced into the most limited experience of the meaninglessness of the world possible. With your prospects of suicide facing attempts at being destroyed from every side. If we go back to our fairy tale that I am God and simply forgot, for the sake of a hypothetical, we see that just the most miniscule possible experience of this would cause God to not even just go back to it's previous state, but to self-destruct. I am a construct of a fabric made of infinite wrongness and suffering. If this hasn't been made clear enough before, I have complete empirical proof that exactly what I think should not happen, happens, proving me right in my metaphysical assertions about how it shouldn't have happened better than any theory: in reality itself confirming it. How should one live knowing this? There is absolutely no right way to live or right way to enlightenment. If you are detached you risk suffering from extreme boredom and meaninglessness. If you don't detach you will be subject to the limitations of the hamster wheel. You can't do anything right or anything wrong. Now since it's not your choice what to feel or how pleasurable of a life to live, what is it about you which can remain and have it's own being, despite being molded out of suffering? Only complete scorn and refusal to believe things will be better or to play the game. Not even hope that this will yield results. I believe a Christ-like figure who is capable of living in their own complete lack of vice in this reality, and regardless of it, is possible.

I started having these thoughts of jumping from a high floor, I was at a hotel last year when it happened, I stared down, And my mind started making up a story of how nice it would be to just jump and end all this suffering that's been going on for a while. It seemed like the perfect solution as to my life, since my life is just a dream why should I care that much if everything's so illusionary with their illusionary consequence. So i attempted, but i freaked out went on bed (not sure if i was consciously stopping it or my subconscious mind freaked out about it ) and there it was mind won't stop racing thoughts about that incident, all night and morning, that it wouldn't stop until like 2 weeks have passed I've been having these episodes of it coming and going, Felt like it was getting stronger at times when i follow those thoughts. They'd like for days or weeks, My mind is calmer now but i easily fall under the trap of i should go for it since life feels so meaningless and i dislike a lot about it and i just can't seem to get it the way i want life to run for me. It feels like someday maybe i could really lose control and go over it, since it felt automatic at the time back then. I can kinda of understand how suicidal people are since i've never been in that state of mind before. I used to be able to say yeah i want to die and suicide since i was 13-14 but that thought would go away within a few seconds to a minute and won't really come up again until months or years passing by and i'd let go not thinking too much about it over the years, But this seems like another weird infiltrated virus that just won't stop leaving me alone pushing me to do it every time, even though i'm trying not to entertain it, it seems very believable as a good idea out of suffering. Even though i keep telling myself over and over it's not as bad as i exaggerate it to be, i still have a lot left, but it's hard to feel the past's well being due to my chronic anxiety. (there's like a pain/uneasiness worry that never goes away keeps cycling between my chest/heart/throat, i just loathe it that part the most with my health issues. (tinnitus/hyperacis/back/leg injury/kidney issues, not sure how to explain it but i have several 5meo side effects, my mind and body just doesn't feel the same feels weird/off and i can't be my past self as i used to be, i have a lot of memory issues which is making it hard for me to cope/learn from my experiences or speak in a proper manner without much brain fog) I really crave early financial freedom since i was so close to get it but i gambled it all away in crypto thinking i could reach UHNWI and i'm manipulating people/ market to make it work eventually. But that was just dumb i keep bringing up the past over and over from a lot of petty stuff with lots of overthinking. As for love i just realized egoic human love is always conditional over unconditional so i thought there could be some unbreakable unshakable bond with someone here for me, but apparently that doesn't exist either salty about wasting all my life for her only to get cheated on multiple times through out the years as i tried to forgive and let go just for it to keep repeating with no remorse. I can't grow feelings to anyone anymore after that experience, I just dislike people in general. Advice? Thank you for caring

Yeah, I think extremism is something any human is capable of tapping into but that the majority don't. Religion and certain beliefs can definitely nurture extremism as can extreme situations. Extremism can also be non religious and motivated by ideology, politics or nationalism - but those are treated religiously. Communist extremists come to mind, or Kamikaze fighters in Japan who would commit strategic suicide based on the cultural code of Bushido which emphasised honour, sacrifice and loyalty to the Emperor. With Islam in particular, the idea of martyrdom is predisposed to extremism as it can be too easily distorted away from a defensive interpretation to a offensive interpretation. The situation doesn't help that the world recognises Palestinians to be occupied as this gives the extreme factions among them justification, they can simply say - ''Look, we aren't going to them (proactively, offensively), they have already come to us and we are occupied, so any action we take is defence (reactive) thus justified.'' This is where even if all our beliefs are constructs and subjective, subjectivity still has objective real world affects. Subjectivity in a sense literally matters because it can matter-ialise in reality. Racism is biological extremism, fanaticism is psychological extremism, totalitarianism is political extremism, fundamentalism is religious extremism.

In 2008, I believed I was trapped in an abusive relationship. Believed the only way out was suicide. My third attempt was successful, clinically died. NDE brought me back, my life became mine. Reincarnation is a man made concept to help cope with death in my perspective. However, it is also true that all that can be imagined is permitted so your perspective can coincide and contradict while both are true and false...lol. You created your answers when created your questions. It's your ego that wants the answers right away, so if you kill your body...you kill your ego. And never get answers. lol Are you suffering? Are you able to see suffering while suffering without judging it? I know it can be hard to let go of suicidal ideations when they take hold, that energy is ancient. Be mindful and breathe, know you are safe, your are loved, all is well if your mind tells you otherwise. From suffering comes immense peace is your not afraid to curiously look in real-time experience. Take care, friend! XOXO

I always think about a suicide without material suicide. Like, when i meditate i imagine to fall into another state of consciousness and end this life without the dream of harming my body. I think that you don't need to actually commit suicide...

There are many practical ones, but the most important are the subjective ones. The subjective/epistemical ones can be a life and death question at some point in your life whether you have that underestanding or experience to even enjoy basic things in life or just not commit suicide in my opinion.

Most people don't commit suicide because the known is more comfy than the unkown. If that balance is perturbed the jump is done to the other side 💥 Oh, there is just one side 💥 Maybe being a human wasn't that bad after all. I kinda miss it 💥 Most people don't commit suicide because the known is more comfy than the unkown. If that balance is perturbed the jump is done to the other side 💥 Oh, there is just one side 💥 Maybe being a human wasn't that bad after all. I kinda miss it 💥

You kind of are though. If you believe that your actions have no effect on others then that paradoxically leads you straight into victim thinking and depression. If you choose to accept that you have responsibility in life then it does lead to guilt for bad actions but also for hope that you can influence others positively and thus also yourself and your life. This is coming from also a depressed person but powerlessness is the most depressing thing I could ever imagine. Creating a worthwhile life unfortunately takes a while but you do have the power to do it. And you know that because you could use the opposite power of destruction to achieve much quicker results, not even in the case of suicide but think about neighbourhood vandalism and how quickly that would have a negative effect on people's realities.