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@nowimhere Yeah, been there. Plugging can last as long as 1-2 hrs. Usually closer to 1 hr. You struggle to remember it because it is not a memory but the very present moment. So any memory of it will not be it. You can't capture Nothingness in any way. It must be located NOW, NOW, NOW. No symbols can be used.

@Serotoninluv just me as I am now without tryin to think about any philosophical questions about inside this bubble, just a simple man with a simple mind in a transparent container that holds the normal laws of physics , this exercise gave me a feeling of nothingness for a short moment and it was profound ,

@seeking_brilliance it's not a question, just an exercise , after trying to imagine complete nothingness for some time , I sort of "got it " for a few seconds, and it created a profound experience , it might be because I'm not articulate enough but people don't seem to understand what I'm saying ✌️???

I would say the direct experience in the moment is muuuch closer than trying to imagine, figure it out or explain. Yet I’ve found simple images can be helpful. In this no anything, was there a sense that there was a “you” trying to imagine “nothing”? For example, in that space was there an observer that might think something like “wow, that nothingness is really cool”. Or, was there simply Nothing with no thoughts or observer? And then the bubble suddenly appeared with sudden awareness observing the bubble. In terms of thoughts, something like “whoa, a bubble. Hey, I’m back. What just happened? Did I disappear into Nothing just then”? Maybe not those exact thoughts, the “sense” of it is more important. In other words, was the appearance of the bubble necessary to realize there was Nothingness prior to the bubble?

Imagination is a subset of Nothingness/Infinity. By definition it can't imagine something infinitely "larger" than him. Could you imagine what being an adult was when you had 3 years old ? How far from reality was that ? Did you even had the capacity to imagine it in the first place ?

@Shin yeah but there would be no black , no vacuum , no space empty or not , but it's very difficult to imagine complete nothingness , maybe there is no such thing?

@Inliytened1 I think it may be an impossible question to answer , and may show that complete nothingness can't "be" . If the universe was finite there would be nothing to enter after the end but no force to stop you ,

@1liamo78 nothingness has no form. Even the word nothing is just a pointer. Thus in this case whatever your ideas of nothingness are is not nothingness. Be careful not to fall into a trap on what your ideas of nothingness are.

When I think of nothingness I imagine like the universe, with no stars in it. Just everything pure black and my mind. That's what comes to my mind. Lol

@Serotoninluv sorry I don't quite understand , I'm not the brightest mind in the "bubble" haha, but basically I'm trying to understand what complete nothingness Would be like (weather there "is" such a thing or not). Especially that point I made , putting your hand out the bubble, there would be nothing to put your hand into but there would be no force to stop it, I was trying to imagine complete nothingness for a while and I imagined there was no anything at all but then somehow a bubble appeared with myself in it and that was everything , the whole universe, not contemplating what's inside the bubble but only outside , even though there is no outside, for me it's a mind fuk

Yes. I have my ideas, but maybe I am wrong. In the material paradigm my response would be that from Niels Bohr So, what we think is real it is really not as we expected. What about experience? Is nothingness real? God?

@Leo Gura Thank you. That helped. I definitely feel like intuitive physical activity is what centers me. Puts me in the zone. Gets me flowing. Been doing all that. But I also feel like the more I flow, the bigger the mindfuck gets if I slip back into the pattern. It is incredibly paradoxical, because radical surrender is what led me to these realizations and levels. And it's like now, every move or action requires resistance on my behalf. Resistance towards being one with nothingness. Static nonexistence. Eternal silence. Its like will is now the same as resistance. Keep in mind this is not really happening to me, even though I use the letter "I". It is beyond me as a mind/body complex. Senses dissolve, identity gets completely lost. It's happening to reality as a totality. It is literally like merging with nothingness, which is now obviously not nothing anymore. I cannot unsee what's behind the scenes. Or not be aware of it constantly, to be more exact. I literally see the formless behind everything. Moving all people, the cars, the trees, the waves, the clouds. And I also sense it moving me. It's like an invisible, super intelligent force that's curled around everything and also is everything. There is literally no difference between being touched by it or another human being or object. Even the wind blowing against the skin is it. And it is so undeniably obvious and fully experiential. On a level unlike ever before. Could not exaggerate, really. Has nothing to do with weed or paranoia. Smoked one tiny joint after a long time. In the past; used to smoke tons. And I never experienced anything like this while high. Not even nearly. Besides, it's happening also when sober. Could the deepened breath be the cause? I knew most of this stuff for a while. But it was never nearly as experiential as it is now. Such a massive shift. The more I synchronize with reality the more I become aware of the mechanics behind it, so to speak. Every tiny detail. I don't know about you, but to me it seems scary AF to be 100% aware of exactly how everything is, in real time, constantly. Why the hell would I want to be aware of how exactly I'm moving that tree? Or adjusting the brightness of the sun? The temperature? The wind? People? Designing it all in real time. It's just to much to be aware of. Leaves no space for anything at all, really. It is true, direct experience of singularity. Experienced by itself. But I suppose I am doing fine, yeah. Just have to express, I guess. In the heart, only one thing burns; Music. All of this is happening for music. Has nothing to do with me, really. I just didn't know I'd need to sacrifice myself for it. Completely. Creating music still seems far away though. It's like God is not done with me just yet. I let go of the wheel long ago. Have nothing. Live like a sage. Music is all that both I and my soul truly desire. I guess that's why death is so terrifying. No music in silence. Thanks again for the suggestions. Much love and respect.

Earlier today, I was at park with my three year old. I was laying on the grass underneath a tree and was listening to Leo's new episode "What's the Point of Life?" while my kid was running around and playing. When Leo said something like, if you destroy yourself as form and become Godhead, you'll end up exactly here, there's nowhere to go. And then, I suddenly kind of realized why he always say in his episodes that everything is happing in nowhere and in emptiness and it's all imagination. I kind of got the idea that everything really happening in nowhere and its all imagination, but not just an imagination, an imagination that's "REAL", yet imagination. All of what i've been seeing and experiencing my entire life is being imagined in nowhere, in nothingness. I know that Leo has said it countless times, but finally, i kind of starting to see the point of what he was trying to say. Has any one else had this realization?

why it is dangerous ? it depend our concept of dream. I call it a physical dream with rules. but I don't believe in free will, even after full awareness, being full aware is made by nature will, not our will. and all will is the modulation of the source will of ourself. so we don't choose anything, not what we learn, not what we do, not even what we think. I even believe that technology is totaly the product of nature ps : I don't understand your concept of "being a person", not even "maturity" they are all relative point fixed in nothingness "I am, therefore, there is" ps : in the meantime, I never believe all my thoughts story, they are currently my best key for unscripting reality

@Flatworld Crusades Creation is the product. Nothingness is the creator.

@seeking_brilliance Did see. Wanted to take some time with my response. LD brings up questions that are taking me in a different direction, if you know what I mean. Will get back at it asap Not exclusive. All-inclusive. My original post in this thread may be viewed as a backlash haha. Was experiencing more of it the following day/night. Focused on gaining conceptual understanding of crystalline consciousness and putting together the pieces of my shattered reality lol. Being is integrating. @Flatworld Crusades Yes and no. Something, but definitely not some thing. And not an entity. Formlessness. Nothingness.

@pluto Hm. Not sure if we're on the same wave. I can interact while being purely aware; immersed in the now. But then it is not really me who's interacting, if you know what I mean. However; if through this way awareness expands enough so that relativity starts to fade, then there simply is no space and no time left for an interaction to occur. I keep pointing towards the levels and degrees. I found those extremely important. Those determine what is and isn't possible. But nonetheless; all happens within pure awareness. Agree on limitations and the blessings they are. They are a product of infinite intelligence/all knowingness. Thank you and Bless! @purerogue I came to realize the importance of the ego self now more than ever. The ego is the agent of infinity. A filter. A unique one. Without it; absolute nothingness is all there is. And it does not know about itself. Ego is needed. Can be adjusted; aligned. I like to look at it as a piece of advance technology. Just the possibility of it is astonishing. It is not here to explain as much as it is to explore and experience infinity. To be a unique expression of it.

I think way too many people think that they are supposed to create nothing, or to desire nothing. Everything is built out of nothingness so if you don't want to get creative with nothingness, you're like a kid in art class who just sits there and stares at a blank paper without having any fun.

Are you talking absolutely or relatively? If you’re saying that nothingness prefers life purpose to McDonald’s, you’ve deluded yourself.

This "nothingness" term I think misleads people for sure mislead me on path. Yes it is Ephemeral but not in some dark nihilistic way people would think of. Even scientists approach it from conceptual point of view. God avaible to all yet they try to reach it with experiments and equipment lol. I myself was huge fan of quantum physics and science in general heck I studied to become mechanical engineer.

@Truth Addict direct experience without thought is nothingness. You can’t call it anything.

@winterknight Hi, i had this experience today and would like your opinion please: Was looking at my finger and hand and then when i turned it around i thought hey i can't see the back/other side of my hand no matter which way i turn it. Then i thought to myself but that is the nothingness that people keep talking about. Is this what they mean by nothingness in a way, is it a small glimpse or is my mind bs-ing me??

The trip was quite profound and challenging for me. Pre-Trip: I meditated for 30 minutes and then contemplated about the differences between the Masculine and Feminine characteristics and traits. Trip: After taking LSD, I continued to contemplate and think. However, as soon as the effects started to take over, I was taken over by a sudden urge to strip naked and masturbate. Martin Ball has written about this, and he advocates that that one should let these things play out. So I proceeded to do that. However, in the midst of doing so, I became acutely aware of how my entire life, I've been running away (through tasks, hobbies, addictions, distractions) from being present and facing the emptiness of existence. No wonder, I keep looking for happiness elsewhere. I lost all desire to masturbate and every moment became painful, to such an extent that I didn't want to live any longer. The ego's defences were down, and I quickly went inside my bathroom, switched all the lights off and sat in complete darkness and silence, and started contemplating: Who am I? Why have I been trying to escape the present moment my whole life? I was afraid, and the silence and darkness added to it. It was clear that the fear was a product of my projections and that I was still not letting go. And once I did, it became blindingly obvious that it is all Absolutely Nothing! I have been looking for this realisation, and at the same time have been running away from it, which has caused me a lot of pain. With this insight still fresh and crystal clear, I came out to my bedroom and started meditating while resting on my bed. Because the ego was weak and fully surrendered, I had died, without even realising it. I started to laugh and cry (I'm still not sure how that happened, but it was literally laughter mixed with sobbing). This Nothingness was Absolute, groundless, ungraspable and completely imperturbable. All the things I have read and heard about sexuality came back into my mind. How the epitome of masculinity is Shiva- consciousness itself. From there, a number of things that I have read and seen about sexuality came back to me. Insights: Everything that we see and perceive is couched within Nothingness/Consciousness. And we all have Masculine and Feminine in us. Thus, every moment of existence is a play of the Divine Masculine (Shiva) and the Divine Feminine (Shakti). Life is a product of this Divine Love making. The black and white Duality of Man and Woman is merely simplistic thinking. David Deida once said that Life and existence itself is a Woman (with a capital W). And just like a feminine partner, life will shit test you. So long as one is identified with Absolute Nothingness, no challenge (including death itself) can scare you away. She (Life) will make love to you until the end of time, but She will also chop your head off as soon as you lose consciousness. Every time I become sad/hurt/angry, that's equivalent to failing one of life's tests. Being inauthentic hurts more than anything else. Authenticity = Death = Immortality = Imperturbability. When you are aware of the fact that death is an illusion, and so is any concept of separation, you will naturally let things unfold without becoming unconscious and neurotic. From this authenticity, one can live their true Life Purpose: In their career as well as their social life. This life purpose isn't just limited to 40-50 hours of work every week. The way we spend our money, the way we treat others, the energy we put out into the world, are all our creation. A truly authentic life means you can live every single day, knowing that you are Nothingness, and that no failure/loss can cause you to abandon your purpose. Radical openness = Selflessness. Only by being completely selfless, can one truly contribute to Absolute Goodness. And of course, this id paradoxical, since it is clear that nothing is in your control. Yet, there can be complete surrender and consciousness at the same time (like an erection, firm but relaxed). With an experiential understanding of Nonduality, one knows that claiming ownership of your achievements/possessions is futile, which then allows you to live life as a spontaneous unfolding of love and play. This is how one makes love to life. As David Deida wrote, 'Stop hoping for a completion of anything in life'. Which is a great pointer. Peter Ralston also wrote about this in 'The Book of Not Knowing'. I have a long way to go in this journey. A big chapter in my life is coming to an end soon, and it became clear to me what the next chapter ought to be. The key is to balance being s strategic motherfucker and surrendering to the Divine Will. Psychedelics are the best Teachers. No human teacher could have allowed me to have a direct consciousness of all this in one day.

Different meaning of that word for different people: Awakening -> Often used as becoming aware of the dream of thoughts (being conscious) or a temporary enlightenment experience. Self-Realization -> Being conscious of the nothingness aspect of God, which is only half-way. God-Realization -> Being conscious of the infinite nature of God, which is both form and formless. Enlightenment -> Can mean any of the above depending on who's talking, it's just a label after all.

Okay, i have done this and something came to my attention that i would like your opinion on guy's. Was looking at my finger and hand and then when i turned it around i thought hey i can't see the back/otherside of my hand no matter which way i turn it. Then i thought to myself but that is the nothingness that people keep talking about. Is this what they mean by nothingness in a way, is it a small glimpse or is my mind bs-ing me??