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David Spangler, Subtle Worlds - An Explorer's Field Notes. Chapter 8: Soul Jürgen Ziewe, Multidimensional Man. A Voyage of Discovery into the Heart of Creation. Chapter The final journey, 25th August 1980 Chris Bache, LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven. Chapter Reincarnation and the Soul and more on request. Soul. Imagined and appearing of course. Like everything else. Therefor, as real or unreal as anything else... Or, in other words, as real or unreal as ones car. Yet, a little more durable, like in... immortal, surviving death. From life to life, dream to dream. And more important. The epic game of forgetting and finding, played by Infinite Consciousness/Being/Reality... Souls... very much worth taking care of on this relative level of ours. Especially when venturing to far out realms, where no man has gone before.... hic sunt dracones. Selling Soul-Eddies in the Water by the River PS: And like Inliytened1 wrote above: A concept. From the perspective of Absolute Truth. Like every other manifestatation, as real or unreal as anything else. As long as this concept is not seen through, no realization of Absolute Reality. Yet, the (relative) concept 2+2=4 holds more (relative) truth than 2+2=5. Same with the concept soul: relative, appearing truth, not Absolute Truth. But since Absolute Truth contains Relative Truth, and as we all know, relative (un-) Truth can make a lot of trouble.... "Although my view is higher than the sky (Absolute Truth), my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour (relative truth)".

Oh shit ..I wish that death is like eternal sleep . No reincarnation no resurrection no nothing. Just endless Zzzz 😴

"Enlightenment is a simple realization..." *spends the rest of the video talking about reincarnation, Sadghuru, Buddhism, and then never addresses what enlightenment is* Ok, just scrolled through his channel, and literally all his videos are either Sadghuru, Buddhism, or reincarnation. So yeah summed it up pretty well there lmao.

The Insights are not new, they will naturally come to someone when their Awareness is raised and more intense as time goes on, how we express it may differ but in the end we are all saying the samethings in a general sense, little details maybe not the same but mostly insights are similar to others in the past... Life Insights: 1) Pain is real, Suffering is a choice, it happens mostly mentally, we over think, become too Intellectual and everything starts to offend You because of highly addicted population to ideologies, concepts and teachings that are outside of themselves, learned from data input via the 5 senes... 2) Successful ppl suffering just as much as Poor or Deprived ppl, maybe more, because once You have all the Money, Power, Fame, Admiration, Success, etc, and You still feel empty, then what else is there too do but get addicted to drugs/booze, gambling, sex, or some sort of death wish that requires you to do dangerous things to feel alive (think Tom Cruise)... 3) Technology or anything that we have invented for ourselves is mostly there as a convenience, not as a source or reason for Life to go on..nothing really new has been invented just things that are extensions of what we already have available to us naturally... 4) Reincarnation is True, many examples of kids knowing areas of geography, or have skills within them that would be impossible to learn at their age, Karma or result of residual actions travel from embodied life to emboded life, until one has reached a level of Awareness to move on to another plane..

Self love. Loving everything for what it is and what you are. This is what all life is returning to. Cultivate a spiritual practice that you do daily. Whatever that is, if you need examples: ex Third Eye Work, Meditation, Astral Travel, Past life regression, A form of Yoga, Taoism with Mantak Chia, Spiritual Ninja practicing ninjitsu etc. Whatever it is, its the ritual and selfess dedication to it that's important. Listen to some of the people Leo gives as examples in this thread: Quote: Shunyamurti, Thomas Campbell, Yoda, David Hawkins, Ken Wilber, Shinzen Young, Deepak Chopra, Stan Grof, Osho, Mooji, Ramaji, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle’s A New Earth, Yogananda, Martin Ball, Terence McKenna, Carl Jung, Sri Aurobindo, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Ervin Laszlo, David Loy, Alan Watts, Wim Hof, Matt Kahn, Dalai Lama, Sasha Shulgin, yoga, holotropic breathwork, The Holographic Universe, Akashic Records, noosphere, opening the 3rd eye, pineal gland, out of body experiences, samadhi experiences, siddhis, paranormal abilities, clairvoyants, channels, mediums, Bashar, Aleister Crowley, Rudolf Steiner, alternative healing systems, Maya, psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT, StarTrek: The Q, Rupert Sheldrake’s morphogenetic fields, Dean Radin’s paranormal research, Gandhi’s ideas of pluralistic harmony, Gaia, biocentrism, Monroe Institute, Esalen Institute, transpersonal psychology, Jung’s collective unconscious, quantum field theory, sacred geometry, reincarnation, opening chakras, saints, sages, mystics, prophets, etc. Listening is enough, spending time with them is better. For me it was Sevan Bomar, Almine, Teal Swan, Mooji, Sadhguru, Daniel Winter, Marko Rodin, Carl sagen, Carl jung, Alan watts, Leo Gura, Don Miguel Ruiz etc. I've had the benefit and privilege of listening to some of the finest minds on this planet, have you? No, then go do so! *Sorry this double posted before I was ready, nice case of duality

There's a reason why in Gnostic thought and circles that the Demiurge is considered to be an evil entity or at least and misguided, foolish figure. Imagine, if you will, you were given the chance to create or manipulate physical reality from scratch and you can fulfill your wildest dreams and desires but spiritually speaking you were still a young and naïve child in your development. If you had no consideration for anyone else, any other lifeform or for the pre-existing rules in this reality of yours, it would end very, very badly for you and everyone else. You wouldn't know the can of worms you could be opening. A lot of the early Christians and Gnostics believed this and considering what time period they came from, it makes sense. On a side note, there's also a reason why Jains believe that when once you escape the cycle of death and reincarnation, you enter a realm where the most enlightened beings just sit, chill and watch Creation from afar, without ever needing to manipulate or touch up reality to their wishes. Think about it this this way, we're limited with our bodies and we can only manipulate reality with our 8 fingers and 2 thumbs. But with those fingers and thumbs, we've (humanity as a whole), has created some truly amazing and exceptional things. This simple comic could have only been drawn by a human being, but like what Leo said about transhumanism: Man becomes God. A cat has got your Pipe: (a relevant video in line with this thread I promise you)

I wonder if anyone could tell me what reincarnation looks like from the non-dual perspective. The idea that one's soul keeps coming back to earth to evolve to 'higher' forms of beings finds some resistance in me (from cat to horse to human, etc). Could anyone help me out here? Thanks!

@Circassia To Rostov We have a natural fear of pain, especially this sort of pain that is intentionally inflected upon someone by another. Why does it happen? Because the Torturer is not feeling any sort of connection to the one being tortured, simple as that, most of the ppl of the world live like this but are not at that sort of extreme level of disconnect. Belief can be dangerous, but we are on a internet forum where all we have is logic, intellect to communicate with, so I do believe in reincarnation, there's lots of evidence of it, but Enlightenment is the end of the cycle of birth/death on a physical level for sure. There may be other realms above this, that is all debateable, we are here now in this realm and have to make the best of it. Don't live via belief or past/future memory/imagination POV, just be in the Now, you can learn and become wise from the past and plan for the future, but if You are in fear that means You living in the future, which does not yet exist, so that in itself is a form of insanity. just find some method or practices, stay with it, get to a point of Peace within Yourself, don't bother with notions of Enlightenment, Reincarnation and such things, just be at Peace with what is, then go on from there naturally...

With the issue of reincarnation we imagine a similar experience, with subject, object and development, but who knows how things can be. everything is absolutely enigmatic, the depth of reality is unfathomable.

@Circassia To Rostov All is one. You are god and you are everybody else. It is the monad, brahman, and Dao. Separation is an illusion. The duality reduces to the monad. You may get reincarnated and go back in time and be your current sibling, friend, coworker, parent, etc. So they are you at this very moment. This applies to all of history. Another thought is maybe in some other dimension we actually volunteer for experiences like torture. It may be the most sought after reincarnation. Another thought is dualism and the two black and white fishes going around in the yin yang symbol. So after infinite reincarnations, 50% of them are bad and 50% of them good. It all averages out. The torture will be balanced by euphoria and bliss. Stop thinking and live. Just be. You are mentally masturbating yourself and avoiding the real work. All is distraction. The Hindu Maya. Follow the Hindu Lila. Good luck!

If it is assumed that the side of the spectrum you mention is possible concerning reincarnation/other dreams (the bad ones), why not contemplate the other side of the spectrum (the good ones)? Jürgen Ziewe, Multidimensional Man Jürgen Ziewe, Vistas of Infinity Jürgen Ziewe, Elysium Unveiled (breathtakingly beautiful) Robert Monroes books David Spandler, Subtle Worlds. An Explorer’s Field Note William Buhlman, all books Grof, Books of the Dead Manuals for Living and Dying Grof,Beyond Death.The Gates of Consciousness More on request Seriously, don't destroy your life with this horror-line of thinking and going down that rabbit-hole. Consider especially taking a look at Jürgen Ziewes Elysium Unveiled. There are a few horror-scenarios inside (as with the other books also), but the rest is of breathtaking beauty. If the possibility of other dreams in Infinite Consciousness/reincarnation is maintained, why not let the beautiful geenie (video above) also out of the bottle? Of course, none of that has to be believed for realizing what Reality really is. The nature of Reality/Infinite Consciousness is always right here right now, covered by clouds of illusory separation/ignorance. And what You really are can never be harmed (no moving parts). Selling Water by the River

Two more Ideas! What if I'm imagining psychedelics as an excuse to allow myself to disrupt reality without having to realize it's an illusion! I've had this fear since I was a kid. That it's all deterministic and I shouldn't learn about movie making, game programming, art etc. because that would shatter the illusion and I wouldn't be able to look at these things the same way again. If I realized myself as completely conscious consciousness, there'd be nothing to hide from myself, there'd be no other, no one to talk to, no thing to talk about. Nothing to explore, nothing to imagine since I'd already know it. I can look at the stars and find them beautiful, I can create a fractal dimension and go explore it. But if I'm 100% conscious and there is no subconsciousness, then I'd know it during creating it. But I want to explore reality forever, watch new things unfold and have adventures. Breathe in the air and sunbathe on a meadow as a separate form. Or can I do all of that regardless? I don't know the mechanics I use to make myself unconscious, it's very tricky and that's on purpose! Maybe I was suffering for eternity figuring out what dream to dream and how to make myself unconscious to the fact its a dream. I don't know what is the right thing to do anymore. Maybe that's what all the NDEs are about, reincarnation too, to fulfill the desires god could not in one lifetime? And to get a self-imagined astral afterlife? Or maybe that's the default in god form, doing everything one wants to do but knowing its all deterministic? Or does god not mind that? I am here, maybe that's why?

At least I realize what reality is in some specific moments, moments of openness, but in the normal state I am aware of the suffering that human life includes. In fact, suffering is an essential part of being human, and its level can be very high. There is a very common human suffering in human reality that none of us here have experienced, which is real violence. That them enslave your daughters and torture you and then crucify you, those human things that none of us want. As you have said, they are emergences that occur in dual reality, but it is difficult to understand the level and degree of what this moment can be, and the purpose of those emergences. Well, the purpose seems to be evolution, reincarnation, etc, but who knows if it's the case. I would say that yes, every experience of real suffering makes the human deeper. Seems that everything tends to that, deeper conciousness , but who knows

The Mystic Gurdjieff had a rather sobering view in regard to one having a soul. This aphorism condenses. His view. Blessed is he who has a soul, blessed is he who has none, but woe and grief to him who has it in embryo. He claimed that humans on Earth are here to develop and complete their soul. That for the most part we are born with only a starter kit of a soul. One of the main tasks in this view is to purify the emotional center. This requires not being reactive towards whoever or whatever pushes our buttons. We are responsible for our negativity regardless of what happens. The task is to fully feel whatever we experience but not bitch, complain, or verbally attack another human or animal. I continually fail at this task..... In regard to this idea, Arnold Keyserling said an interesting thing one time. If a person could go for two years (the orbit of Mars) without reacting in anger. They would never feel a negative emotion towards anyone for the rest of their life. This condition might correlate with the state of consciousness called Christ Consciousness or nondual consciousness as described by Jim Marion, Ken Wilber and others. Gurdjieff's work is sometimes referred to as the Fourth Way or Esoteric Christianity. I heard a Teacher of the Fourth Way once say that it is for losers. One must be a complete loser and totally disillusioned with life to be ready to enter The Fourth Way... Seeing and experiencing the uselessness of materialism and other worldviews, There are different lineages which vary in their view of the Teaching. Gurdjieff taught reincarnation in a way and said if a soul doesn't reach purification and completion within the time frame of the life of a Solar system. The partial soul will disintegrate. This is all rather depressing, isn't it,,,,,?

When you are ignorant of your nature as God it's not like you seize to be God. However, God is still deluding itself in the form of you as a human ego. Due to this, it would reform itself after physical death. God could reform itself as anything, depends on a lot of factors. Reincarnation is true and so is heaven and hell. Your 'soul' is simply this all pervading conciousness. Your soul is paradoxically entirely impersonal.

So leo said that we reincarnate an infinite number of times until we realize god from every prespective my question is do we ever fully realize god from every perspective since its infinite? Does god ever get to experience its fullness or no since its infinite so its infinity exploring itself never ever seeing itself fully because infinity doesn't end,?

Ah, formlessness. In that case, sure. Reincarnation would be the case where you don't return to the original dream you exited. Nevertheless, "enlightenment" is often conceptualized as when you retain the realization of the formless while still being immersed in the "formful" (relative reality), i.e. being lucid in the dream. Awakening to formlessness is a taste of this realization; pure lucidity, but without the contents of the dream. The former (enlightenment) is of course much "harder" than the latter (awakening).

Reincarnation.

I'm wondering if there is some sort of order to life and death, to reincarnation. If one keeps evolving their consciousness throughout this lifetime but doesn't become enlightened, is that then stored for the next time round? Also, I believe Krishna consciousness teaches that if you love eating pork in this life, you will become a pig in the next sort of thing. Along with living through 8.4 million (or billion?) different species. Just a thought.

Let being mesh in truth, to realise the true end. I’ve spent two months trying to confirm this. This is what reality is working it’s way too consciously. Bringing heaven right to the fore front. Your limited Awareness was created out of love. Nothing is actually going on. But nothing is not something you can experience as you currently have self - realised it to be. Full truth = no truth. Becoming god is to not become anything at all. The reason is because absolute facets are the only ones that exist, in its infinite form. There are levels of vibrations of being (sensations) where you can’t hold it in your body. You leave in the night sky To infinite levels of being. Pure being it took me months to peace this all together. Just know the end of times will need to be realised in solitude. There is nothing in the outside world that can get you there. There are pointers but you must make it true yourself

Check this video --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlzXhiQa4mk Sadhguru claims that we have 5 different kind of bodies. After DEATH The mental body and the pranic body goes on & when karma's intensity dissipates then it finds another body. Ofcourse i don't understand ANY of that BUT i think it goes contrary to what @Leo Gura is saying. Leo says that after death you just return to the Source & Infinite Love. Sadhguru says that unless you have a mahasamadhi then you will be a godamn ghost waiting for another body...And if you died unaturally then sorry my friend but you will have to wait much longer for another body than someone who died peacefully lol. What is the mental body & pranic body? Is just another name for consciousness? I'm super confused right now... Guess i'll find out when my time comes.... Can't wait man.

So I'm reading this book "How to Attain Enlightenment" by James Swartz. It goes into talking about vasanas, or basically behavior tendencies from the unconscious mind (or casual body) that can be inherited from who you were in your previous incarnation. What im wondering is how do past lives fit into Non-Duality when, from my understanding, everyone has the same consciousness looking through their eyes, then wouldn't everyone who has existed before you also be your "past-life" in a sense? Am I missing something, or are there different levels to it?

Does reincarnation happen? How to see your past lives? How to see your future life? How does your previous life affect your next life? Does your current karma define your next life's sufferring? What transfers from one life to another?

You can not stay in God mode no longer than three to four hours. And there is no way you could ever function in everyday life. When I came back down from some of my biggest trips. Perhaps for 6 to 9 months, I had very few attachments and biases left. But there is no way you could live in this dream without any. Even if you went into a cave for a year or however long. You still would have attachments to this dream and I personally or most probably after some time of contemplation and deliberating would go what the fck am I doing what was I thinking? And yes there are states of consciousness or God mode or to say God realizing God again where you have no biases and no attachments. You become infinitely self-aware you become pure infinite love existence itself. This is not a perception as you may think it is. You don't perceive anything you become it. Infinite love is not a perception or an experience idea or a supposition whatever you might think it is. You are the experience the perception. Don't you know you are the truth? But you must also understand that you can not live in this dream with no attachments or beliefs etc. Of course, you can get rid of certain things and self-limiting beliefs and become less biased and more selfless up to a point. I don't watch the news anymore or I have not watched TV for 15 years and I stopped using mobiles about 3 years ago, not because I deemed them to cause cancer or whatever the beliefs are these days. But that's me it does not mean you have to do any of these things. Everyone wants to awaken I am trying to go back into the dream. And it may take months even years to ground yourself again but with that said you can never fully come back to the dream. If you have very, very strong core values beliefs, and ethics on what you believe to be right from wrong which most of us do or have built up over the years. If you are not careful it could actually send you to the point of insanity for a time if it has not already occurred from just waking up on a fairly high dose of whatever your preferred imaginary psychedelic of choice is. In the end, the choice is yours, yours alone. “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.” JIMI HENDRIX When we no longer know what to do we have come to our real work, and when we no longer know which way to go we have come to our real journey. Wendell Berry. All Psychedelics and meditations are part of the dream all are imaginary. Reincarnation is also imaginary and is part of the dream. How can you be reincarnated if you were never alive, or born to begin with? You keep creating ideas and beliefs to explain more concepts within concepts. Kind of obvious is it not? To describe or explain what you are in words is in a way it is an insult. How can one articulate the indescribable? You can not be translated into words. How do you actualize the infinite into words? It's not even what one thinks it is. Though it does add humor to the dream. No, you don't need to suffer to awaken. And no it is not all about how you have to suffer all your life. This is just a belief that you have unwisely accepted just like all the self-limiting ideas you have picked up along the journey.