What is the reason why the ego builds the barriers again after Awakening experience?

[Javfly33]

1. Is because what has been seen has to be seen more times? 
2. Is because what has been seen would be 'too good' or 'too crazy' to be real?
3. Is because mind-body fundamentally is not raised to be able to embody the truth, so it has to get used to it 'slowly' until it finally opens itself up?

I am curious about the mechanism of the mind/ego to protect itself and maintain is paradigm, even after being 'crushed' dozens if not hundreds of times. 

Probably the fact is if you are 30 years old and you started having awakenings at 25, you have there 25 years of old conditioning which has to be dissolved, and is not just a few trips or meditation experiences, the Non Dual must become the True Reality. There Is no other way I think. 

 

[Schizophonia]

To make the experience relevant.

[Thought Art]

Homeostasis is an important part of survival. Just like the body wants to survive and stay as it is so does the ego mind. Homeostasis is an important part of surviving as a human. But, it’s also a constraint to growth and awakening. 
 

That being said, it’s a good thing overall. It doesn’t create challenges. But, without it we would die. 
 

You will likely never fully destroy the ego mind. It’s sort of like a hand or foot. I can change, and operate at higher and more healthier, holier, and more god like ways as it develops and grows through a mixture of different types of experiences.

[Inception]

From my personal experience, I'd guess it's mainly point number 2. I've lived most of my life in hate, surrounded by hate, seeing hate, breathing hate, learning hate, being hated and hating. The world doesn't care about me i tought. I was loveless and felt unlovable. It didn't seem like there was space for love in such a cold world... and then all of a sudden you find out it's all Love, it's best surprise you could ever get! 

But it's just that it seems to good to be true. I can't handle too much love and goodness at once. I need it slowly like a rescue dog. It's not just psychological, you're physically rewiring your "brain" in order to be able to handle (more) love. In other words you're shedding the old conditioning like you said.

Slowly Love will destroy all barriers, until there's nothing left.

[Inliytened1]

9 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

1. Is because what has been seen has to be seen more times? 
2. Is because what has been seen would be 'too good' or 'too crazy' to be real?
3. Is because mind-body fundamentally is not raised to be able to embody the truth, so it has to get used to it 'slowly' until it finally opens itself up?

I am curious about the mechanism of the mind/ego to protect itself and maintain is paradigm, even after being 'crushed' dozens if not hundreds of times. 

Probably the fact is if you are 30 years old and you started having awakenings at 25, you have there 25 years of old conditioning which has to be dissolved, and is not just a few trips or meditation experiences, the Non Dual must become the True Reality. There Is no other way I think. 

 

The ego has no meaning when one awakenings.  The ego is selfish because guess what ?  It's a self!  Awakening is the dissolution of the self.    So it will fight against that at all costs.   That's why awakenings after initial enlightenment is almost null and void.  The ego won't ever let it happen again.  He's a sneaky bastard.  He has to be, to survive. 

Edited April 13 by Inliytened1

[Davino]

Here you have the answers. It's a very good question everyone faces in the path

 

Edited April 12 by Davino

[Osaid]

The idea that mind/ego has a paradigm and gets crushed, is itself mind/ego.

Like saying: "How come unicorns keep coming back after having their paradigms crushed?"

The idea of an ego, is ego. Don't confuse the map for the territory. Don't fight ghosts. Fighting ghosts is ego. Ego is a ghost.

The idea of awakening, going here, doing this and that to rid yourself of ego, is itself ego. Conception. Separation. Division.

Look at how the thoughts feel. Look at how the division feels. Look at who is being aware of thoughts and division. You are not in thoughts/division, you are being aware of it. You can't read a story while being in a story.

There is no reason beyond reason. Reason is imagination. All is uncaused. You are uncaused. Reason is uncaused. Imagination is uncaused. Imagination can't cause anything therefore reason can't cause anything. You are aware of what is caused, therefore you are not in the cause.

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[Osaid]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

25 years of old conditioning

There is just the thought. The thought is equivalent to conditioning.

Being aware of the thought "25 years of old conditioning" is the conditioning and subsequent identity which is felt currently, as the thought. You are being the thought, not being in the thought.

25 years can't be thought of, or experienced.

25 years is not caused by 25 years. 25 years only exists from the vantage point of "25 years after."

25 years is thought, in every sense.

You are aware of the thought "25 years", you are not being in the thought.

Thought is not caused by what happened 25 years ago. Conditioning is not caused by what happened 25 years ago. You cannot experience the cause of experience. Conditioning is felt currently, as the thought.

[Inliytened1]

42 minutes ago, Osaid said:

The idea that mind/ego has a paradigm and gets crushed, is itself mind/ego.

 

That's because you haven't awakened.   The paradigm isn't crushed- the ego is literally dissolved.  It's entire existence is destroyed.   So obviously the next time it returns it is much more cautious and will not allow itself to be dismissed in any way.  The beauty of this is that it's not necessary.  Ego death need only happen once.   The damage was already done.  Enlightenment happened. 

Edited April 12 by Inliytened1

[Razard86]

The ego is the character you play, the self you constructed. The roots of the conditioned responses are deep because they are held together by love. When conditioned love comes into contact with unconditional love, it will fight against the dissolution of itself as it must because it is constructed to do that very thing. 

In this thing we call life some changes take time to integrate and this is just one of the many examples of it. It's fun to ponder about it though.

[Osaid]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

next time it returns it is much more cautious and will not allow itself to be dismissed in any way.

"It" will return "next time"?

Interesting thought but no thanks. 

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's entire existence is destroyed.

The unicorn population will be dearly missed.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Osaid said:

"It" will return "next time"?

Interesting thought but no thanks. 

The unicorn population will be dearly missed.

Mock it if you want to.  But what is enlightenment? Do you think it doesn't involve the death of the ego - or what you think you are?  The 'self"?  And if the body doesn't fall away then the ego mind or state of Consciousness can come back into the body again.   It is death and rebirth.   But to die again - now that is far more difficult.   In fact - it's no longer something that needs to happen.

  The enlightened being goes on.

 

Edited April 12 by Inliytened1

[Osaid]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Do you think it doesn't involve the death of the ego - or what you think you are? 

Can something you think die? Do unicorns die?

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

the ego mind or state of Consciousness can come back into the body again.

If you think you're a body.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Can something you think die? Do unicorns die?

If you think you're a body.

8 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Can something you think die? Do unicorns die?

If you think you're a body.

Everything is mind  - so  yes.  The body is just a firmer or higher level of consciousness not accessible to the ego system.  But yes death is just something of the mind.  Death is an idea, you are an idea, the body is an idea.. All of it is just a collection of ideas 

Edited April 12 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Can something you think die? Do unicorns die?

 

When you cease to think about it it dies.

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[Osaid]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The body is just a firmer or higher level of consciousness not accessible to the ego system.

Ego is thought.

Your statement relates itself to ego, therefore it confirms the existence of ego, therefore it is ego. Because it claims that the body relates to ego in some way. 

Therefore, the formulation in the sentence is itself is just thought and ego.

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[Inliytened1]

Just now, Osaid said:

Ego is thought.

Your statement relates itself to ego, therefore it confirms the existence of ego. Because it claims that the body relates to ego in some way. 

Therefore, the sentence itself is just thought and ego.

Well the ego can die but the body can still be there.  The body is being imagined at a higher level of consciousness.   To dissolve that would be Masamadhi. 

[Osaid]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The body is being imagined at a higher level of consciousness.

Only what is imaginary can be imagined.

If the body is being imagined at a higher level, then the body and the higher level are both imaginary.

Edited April 12 by Osaid

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Osaid said:

Only what is imaginary can be imagined.

Are you saying the body isn't imagined? 

[Osaid]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Are you saying the body isn't imagined? 

Quote from the edited version:

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If the body is being imagined at a higher level, then the body and the higher level are both imaginary.

Meaning, there is no higher level, because higher level is in contrast to ego/body, which itself is imagination and thought. The entire thing is ego/imagination.