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I was never interested in reincarnation because it seemed pointless to me. Is it really "you" that is reincarnating if you don't have your memories or anything to do with your personality carried through? I did watch most of the first Bashar video linked above and I think it would be interesting being able to get information from outside consciousnesses telepathically but I don't like reincarnation as a way of conceptualizing it.

(These links are not embeddable as inline video's because of the limited sharing rights the owner of this channel has configured, someone who is posting a lot of excerpts and some full events by Bashar like this one illegally, but enjoy the spiritual wisdom and meditation while you can) Bashar Channeling - REINCARNATION. A Deeper Explanation 1of3 https://youtu.be/vb_zb2VtZrM?si=uvls8A0sNGbsK20J Bashar Channeling - REINCARNATION. A Deeper Explanation 2of3 https://youtu.be/gZUTAB70ccE?si=SmnhTThPMMT5OPD5 Bashar Channeling - REINCARNATION. A Deeper Explanation 3of3 - The MEDITATION https://youtu.be/oZzTzpN7jAY?si=crZ58VlbdTuy8WVh

OK, these things you said make sense. When I was referring to reincarnation, I was talking about this idea of reincarnation just from 80 to 80 years for example. And the idea that ultimately exists multiple minds in the Universe.

You did touch on something I think was very important. How do you know you weren't your mother at some point if you no longer remember it? And if you don't, did it ever happen at all? And furthermore - does it even matter? If you already are your mother, is there a need to actually act out being her? Infinity is a very tricky thing. But yes - in the end reincarnation does exist. Its just that you forget. That's the beauty. It makes it just a single Incarnation every time. That's the paradox, because now you must ask yourself, well, if its the first time, then does reincarnation exist? It's paradoxical.

Incarnation is basically consciousness limiting itself through a finite form, tricking itself. So reincarnation would be doing it more than once, whether you remember or not is irrelevant.

I mean technically Leo would say your imaging reincarnation, or any future reincarnations or past reincarnations. Reincarnation is imaginary, the past is imaginary, the future is imaginary. Almost like you constantly only have existed for one second

Everything's true and untrue....hence this entire thread is word games. You could both prove reincarnation to not be true or to be true....depending on how you look at it. For example.....since everything is nothing....nothing ever happened....so no reincarnation. But if you see nothing as something....then reincarnation is always happening.....it's happening right now in every moment. Since every moment...is new. So....depending on how you look at it....something happened, nothing happened....both are true...depending on how you look at it. It's why memory is a thing...without imagining memory....you would never KNOW something happened after it happened. Memory is how we create something...without recollection....nothing ever happened. Memory is how we create TIME. As we imagine a past through memory, and then use memory to predict a future. No memory....no past, no future, only a fleeting present...that is forgotten as soon as it happens.....

There is no such thing as no reincarnation Try to prove me wrong

Yes to that on an absolute level/perspective, big question mark on the relative/appearance level. And maybe God/Reality arranged it (just to have fun) in such a way that from a relative perspective it looks very much like life-bardo-life-.... and so on, with all the Karma/learning experiences over many lifes, stored in some kind of Kosmic Memory, forming a kind of soul? Sure all relative/appearance, but everything else you perceive/think/feel is also relative/appearance. And as long as one doesn't rest quite permanently in Impersonal Nondual Suchness, the relative does look & feel very real, and can make quite some (emotional) impression... So in my opinion, a wise perspective on Karma (and reincarnation): "Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour." Padmasambhava There are endless reports (over all centuries and cultures) ranging from meditation experiences (for example of Storehouse Consciousness and many realms/dimensions), to Out-of-body-experiences (experiencing for example after death realms, or storehouse-consciousness for these soul-units), or Near-Death-Experiences, all showing some of the relative truths of all of that. Among the best stuff I have seen so far, combined with some legit Enlightenment-Experiences, is the material/books/videos from Jürgen Ziewe: https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Astral_Travel_and_life_after_death.html And as Bazooko said correctly: ALL of that is manifested/incarnated/imagined right here and right now, including the imagined past/history/Karma/Reincarnation/all of it. But that would be the Absolute Truth. And as long as the relative/manifestation side has emotional impact, philosophizing from and flying high more towards the Absolute Side of Truth is dangerous terrain... as recently demonstrated here quite impressively. Water by the River

There is actually some anecdotal evidence backing up reincarnation. People who remember their past lives .

he's saying reincarnation assumes time to be linear and fundamental which is not true hence reincarnation my ass.

Incarnation is not something that happens every 80 years or whatever. It literally happens ALL THE TIME. Incarnation simply means that consciousness takes on (the appearance of) a certain form. Without it, experience would not be possible. So the mere fact that you are reading these words is proof that incarnation is one hundred percent real. The only questionable part (from an absolute standpoint) about the concept of reincarnation is the "re" part. Incarnation only ever happens once, and that moment is right now.

Yes, but the problem is that these reincarnation people really believe in the concept of "me" and time. I'm not being sarcastic. Yes, God may dream of reincarnation, but He not necessarily will

God will dream reincarnation. Or are you being sarcastic? Elaborate, please

So youre saying God will reincarnate into every possible thing? that sounds like reincarnation to me

God "will" have an infinite number of dreams, He "will" dream EVERY POSSIBLE reality. An intelligent alien specimen, a duck, a human, an animal alien. A living creature where gravity is upwards. Where there is some degree of CONSCIOUSNESS will be God. This reincarnation idea is so nonsense, I don't know where people this stuff from.

There is no such thing as reincarnation, time, and "future". God doesn't care about anything, he has an infinite number of dreams anyway, whether you like being human or not. Yes.

I will never get the necessary education and health and skill or talent I need to make enough money to be happy and free in life, not enouh money to even heal. I want to express some regrets now to God. I wish I started my education on time, both basic wide range general education (of languages, literature, religion, democracy and human rights, mathematics and informatics) and specialized education in system and networking administration and programming. I wish I did not give up and I wish I was never so horny and desiring sex in life so much to not be able to imagine an amazing life without any sex at all. Now it is too late. I'll never be able to get the money, time, resources for developing skills and educating myself. What is left is just to go through painful experiences in poverty and insecurity and after decades to basically finally pass away and get a new chance to do it all over again the right way in my next reincarnation.

@Dazgwny Funny you say this, because when i read this thread 4 hours ago i had the same in my mind. Feminine is further away from god then man because the need for others and receiving love from others is basically the same as = god dumbing itself down within illussion even more. Look in religion/spiritual gatherings and so on worldwide you will see how it is dominated by man. So be a female in next reincarnation, but females might suffer more with all menstrual pain they get. So as you see there is always balance

@Soul Flight last lsd trip was like 4 months ago, and the only substance i used after that was mdma like 1 month ago. Yeah after 10hours lsd effects were pretty much done specially an a dose like this. I think it lasted for so long because i literally deconstructed reality in my mind, and the remembrance of who i was woke me up in this physical body. After waking up, i had like lotus feet they looked like perfect/divine feet and on every thing that i stepped changed to a perfect state of being. This is how i realized that i'm in some form of god state right now. God is suffering because it can't fully accept itself, fully accepting yourself means having everything that you know inside of you and beyond for eternity non sleep state. Lies/insanity/deconstructions/murder/rape/abuse and so on. As god you have free will to dream about love or be love or dream insanity, lies, deceptions, god cannot stay in the same state for eternity that is why reincarnation is happening. Reincarnation literally gives you= sleep which is closest to death, non idleness=forgetting , being loved/taken care of by others and so on. For god this is much better then staying eternal and being aware 24/7 There is a great example of Haidakhan babaji, recent mahavatar apperance with lots of witnesses that said what he did and that he was god in human form. One time someone said, i could see babaji was suffering from taking so much karma. Another witness told a story that when he walked with him to the bathroom, babaji looked into the mirror and went crazy/screamed or something like that. This is what happens when you're in super conscious states as you're basically only experiencing yourself and insanity at all time, to be in this state is like having courage of god but you won't sustain this for a long time and will crave to dumb yourself down. There are even higher states then this, but there is none to take control of this state as nobody wants it. Most if not all our reality is based on lies, and its necessary to shape it remember this

Nobody dies, people that get ran over by bus and so on are just your constructs, there is only 1 that changes its form and consciousness and it is eternal in you. You dying naturally is you becoming enough realized to forget about your body/who you are, stepping in front of the bus is you not loving yourself enough/accepting yourself enough / creating hellish reality for yourself which is a dangerous thing since freewill and non acceptance of yourself is not a joke. There is a reason why you wake up in this world with 0 remembrance, there is a reason why all the guru's lead you to the path of realization , there is a reason all the gurus tell you to love god and so on. To love god/yourself is to fully accept yourself, the more you love yourself/accept yourself all the lies/deceptions/insanity and so on the better your reality becomes. Reincarnation= you didn't accept/love yourself for eternity, loving yourself is the hardest thing since you literally have to accept everything the good and the bad, insanity and so on

@Vibes 1.Death is just a change in consciousness, you letting go of the body/killing yourself is you suffering and surrendering to god fully. After that you become god and forget who you were, because you didn't accept/love yourself you will incarnate your consciousness from god mode to physical reality that you make up. You can't stay as god as this is too great of a responsibility and only full acceptance and love of yourself for eternity will allow you to stay as god forever. From god mode you just have to imagine a reality, for example: You imagine that you're on a planet and you're from an advanced alien civilization that's is basically all. When you imagine yourself into this character, everything from there will be constructed in the presence on the go around you. 2. Another possibility is that after you suicide/kill yourself, you can be stuck as brains or another form of consciousness in the same reality. Because you didn't die let go of your body naturally you can be stuck in the same reality as a form of consciousness, this is what free will is. God realization is the deconstruction of the reality/evolving beyond yourself, so if you as ego/dream character don't know much after reincarnation the reality might become what you believed in. Gods free will is a scary thing. But i think it's most likely the 1st possebility @OsaidIt is only hell if you can't fully accept yourself as god, this means accepting insanity and everything that is inside of you it also means letting go of everything. It also means accepting all the control and freedom you get, which is huge. Being god is such a big responsibility that there is nobody to take it.

@Twentyfirst Agreed, I have to say Tupac Shakur embody this understanding so well in one of his quotes, which quite frankly is pretty egoless, "I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." Or in Leo's case, the brains. It's a slow process, and in spiral dynamics and in this spiritual journey, we can't get attached to results. Easier said than done, but I'm extremely impressed by his content and forever grateful. Maybe a small change, but I can objectively say, I treat every living thing including myself in a more conscious manner and in a better way. Also, if you believe in reincarnation, Sadhguru has mentioned he's been trying to change the world across multiple lifetimes , and in previous lifetimes even failing at his goals.

@vishnusavestheday If you just forget everything about yourself we cannot really call it reincarnation, its an endless experience of living for the first time. I would be willing to forget absolutely everything I have learned in this life because this knowledge is so deep and true that in the next life, I would simply find it again. God cannot escape itself. Maybe it really just is a very deep level of surrender and self-acceptance i.e. love

awakening is something that happens, not something you become aware of. it is a fundamental difference. in the awakening, the you that searches, that analyzes, that plans, stops, and reality manifests itself. the limits dissolve and existence is. You cannot look for it because the fact of looking is a limit, you can carry out actions and have attitudes that promote this event. You keep hitting the wall every day until one day the ice breaks, you change frequency, you go from software to hardware. After , all that talking about solipsism, reincarnation, etc., they are conceptualizations that you create when you re-install yourself in the software and analyze. you cannot tell if they are false, only that they belong to the realm of the conceptual mind. what you want is not to know things with your conceptual mind, it is to pause the mind and be without limits for a while each day. then, if you are smart, I think you will stop trying to know when you are in the conceptual mind and just enjoy life, since trying to know is greed, or as sellingwaterriver would say, contraction. there is only one thing to know: what you are and being unlimited reality tells you everything you need to know because it tells you what you are. That's it, you already know everything, the rest is irrelevant. reincarnation or solipsism has the same importance as the next apartment you are going to live in. relative importance. Belongs to the realm of the mundane. Could be interesting to know those things, same it's interesting to know about politics. But that's not spirituality. Spirituality is just become limitless.