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Of course not! You need to carefully think through what your words mean. "A single undivided item" << Okay, if you do that, you have Infinity. One thing. There cannot be two undivided things! You can't add together two undivided things, they must be divided to begin with for there to be two of them. You can add together two divided things. But what constitute "a thing" is already relative to how your mind carves up the world. The world is not made up of things. Your minds projects division on the world and calls those conceptual divisions things. But even if you get past all that, there is no guarantee whatsoever that by combining two random things you will be left with 2. There are many instances in nature where you add 1 and 1 and get something that isn't 2. Fundamentally there is no reason why you couldn't add two things together and get 0, for example. You could design a virtual reality in which 1+1=0. Or whatever you want. And none of this in independent of a sentient being because it's all happening inside your sentience. If not, where else is addition happening? Even just the very notion of addition itself, is relative. After all, what is addition and how do you even understand it? Is addition something found in the outer world? Of course not. Relative to: Language, semantics Your state of consciousness Your education Your culture Your worldview and entire schema of reality This physical universe Formal mathematics Being a human You telling yourself that it is true (you could, for example, deny it.) Etc. If you were a donkey, 1+1=2 would not be true for you. How is this not obvious to you? 1+1=2 cannot be true for you unless you are able to think it and tell yourself that it is true.

TABLE OF CONTENTS ---------------- (YouTube link for time stamps) 0:00-15:11 : Introduction 15:11-36:12 CHAPTER 1: POSTHUMANISM a. Neurotechnology b. Neurophilosophy c. Teilhard de Chardin and the Noosphere 36:12-54:39 CHAPTER 2 : TELEPATHY/ MIND-READING a. MRI b. fMRI c. EEG d. Cognitive Liberty e. Dream-recording, Dream-economies f. Social Credit Systems g. Libertism VS Determinism 1:02:07-1:25:48 : CHAPTER 3 : MEMORY/ MIND-AUGMENTING a. Memory Erasure and Neuroplasticity b. Longterm Potentiation (LTP/LTD) c. Propanolol d. Optogenetics e. Neuromodulation f. Memory-hacking g. Postmodern Dystopias h. Total Recall, the Matrix, and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind i. Custom reality and identity 1:25:48-1:45:14 CHAPTER 4 : BCI/ MIND-UPGRADING a. Bryan Johnson and Kernel b. Mark Zuckerberg and Neuroprosthetics c. Elon Musk, Neural Lace, and Neuralink d. Neurohacking, Neuroadvertizing, Neurodialectics e. Cyborgs, Surrogates, and Telerobotics f. Terminator, Superintelligence, and Merging with AI g. Digital Analogs, Suffering, and Virtual Drugs h. Neurogaming and "Nervana" (technological-enlightenment) 1:45:14 -2:02:57 CHAPTER 5 : CONNECTOME/ MIND-MAPPING a. Neurons, MEG scans, and Supercomputers b. Uploading worm brains, fly brains, mouse brains etc. c. Cryo Ultra Mictrotomes, Diffusion Spectrum Imaging d. Anders Sandberg, Connectomics, and the Allen Institute e. Quantum Mechanics, Heisenberg Principle, No Cloning Theorem f. Human Connectome g. Human Metabolome h. Human Proteome i. Human Moleculome 2:02:57- CHAPTER 6 : XEROX/ MIND-UPLOADING a. Dynamic Spiking Neural Networks b. Arthur C. Clarke and Hans Moravec c. San Junipero, Mind Chi!dren, and the City in the Stars d. The Blue Brain Project e. Neuromorphic computing and the Zettabyte f. Dualism VS Monism g. OPTION 1 : Destructive Uploading h. OPTION 2 : Non-Destructive Uploading i. OPTION 3 : Replacement Uploading j. Brain-scanning, Bush-Robot, Neurobots/Nanobots k. David Chalmers and John Searle l. Hemispherectomy, Brain-Division, Artificial Intelligence m. The Mind-Body Problem, Turing Test n. Paradise engineering, Enlightenment, Uploaded-Astronauts o. Verificationism VS Falsificationism p. Epiphenomenalism VS Panpsychism 2:30:32-2:53:09 CHAPTER 7 : BORGANISMS/ MIND-MERGING a. Hive Minds : The Borg and the Bees b. Arborescent (Centralized) VS Rhizomatic (Decentralized) c. Swarm Robotics d. The Zerg VS the Geth (a tale of 2 aliens) e. BCI, B2BI, and "Brainternet" f. Freedom VS Control g. Future ingroups i. Hacking, Privacy, and the Blockchain j. Anarcho-Transhumanism k. Individualism VS Collectivism 2:53:09-3:19:36 CHAPTER 8 : EMs/ MIND-REPLICATION a. Mindclones, Digital Reproduction, Infomorphs, Synthetic Humans b. Whole Brain Emulation / Simulation c. Robin Hanson and the Age of Em d. Time-engineering, Phenomenology, Subjectivity f. Immortality, and Life-Extension g. Intelligence Augmentation h. Simulation Hell, Simulation Hypothesis, Black Mirror i. Personhood, Robot Rights, and Mindtheft j. Futurist Economics : Inequality & Living Forever k. Master-Sl@ve Dialectic l. Immortality: what is Transhumanist Retirement? m. Neurohackers and Neuroenlightenment n. Neurocorrelates of Happiness ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ POSTHUMAN PHILOSOPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3:19:36-3:42:10 CHAPTER 9 : PHILOSOPHY OF MIND a. Freeze your Mind? b. Cryonics, Cryogenics, and Neurotech c. Electron Micrographs, Greg Fahy d. ALCOR vs Nectome e. Aldehyde Stabilized Vitrification 3:42:10-4:06:59 CHAPTER 10 : PHILOSOPHY OF CONSCIOUSNESS a. What is "Qualia"? b. Intentionality c. Hard Problem of Consciousness d. Mary's Room e. Aristotle : Bios Zoa, and Psyche f. Freud : Id, Ego, and Superego g. Reptilian, Monkey, and Human Brains h. Death Anxiety i. Sentience VS Sapience j. Chinese Rooms and P-Zombies k. Roger Penrose, Stuart Hammeroff, and Francis Crick l. Quantum Coherence, Microtubules, and Glial Cells m. Max Tegmark and Mathematical Platonism n. Guilio Tononi and Integrated Information Theory o. Materialism VS Idealism 4:06:59 CHAPTER 11 : PHILOSOPHY OF IDENTITY 1) Body Theory : Plutarch, Animalism, and the Ship of Theseus 2) Soul Theory : Descartes, Plato's Cave, and the World of Forms 3) Memory Theory : Locke, Amnesia, and the Self/Ego 4) Bundle Theory : Hume, Buddhism, and Phineas Gage 5) Continuity : Derek Parfit, Modal Realism, Teleportation Paradox 6) Narratives: : Derrida, Leibniz's Law, and the Boltzmann Brain 7) Haecceity : Deleuze, Post-structuralism, Assemblages, Multiplicity, and the Body Without Organs

There are a lot of wonderful dynamics at play here. We have to first make a distinction between Sentience and Consciousness. Consciousness is Existence, it is everything that Is and can Be. Sentience is a very particular form of Existence which we refer to as the mind or colloquially as consciousness The universe is Consciousness, every particle is Consciousness, everything "material" is Consciousness. The wonderful thing is that it is not merely that there is a First Cause that is somehow Groundless. The miracle of Nature is that each element is truly embedded into Groundlessness, which allows the Illusion of cause and effect. Fundamentally the question is what is the mind in terms of it's relationship to the world? Why is the rock not sentient, but the human brain is? And more importantly, why is the human brain only at certain points sentient? Why is it only sentient in very specific configurations and states? The concept of microtubules are a very important step into the right direction. There is a recognition that fundamentally sentience must somehow be captured by the physical world. This is essential. Each aspect of this universe is an expression from Infinite Potential. Infinite Potential contains every possible State of Being unmanifested. Once Infinite Potential is expressed into a limited manifestation it will lose it's potential. It will be limitation until it dissolves into Nothingness/infinite Potential. What is the brain fundamentally doing, then? The brain is capturing States of unmanifested Infinite Potential. The microtubules in this way allow for the unstable Infinite Potential to be balanced in a very particular manner. This allows for that Infinite Potential to be guided to generate Sentience or every particular aspects of Infinite Reality. It can guide the Expression of Nothingness into particular States of Being, like Colors, Sounds, Feelings and all other specific dimensions of Reality even the Universe itself. This is crucial to understand, because this means Minds in general can literally Understand anything possible if the structures allow for that particular Expression. The Mind is tapping into Infinite Potential and can therefore Reflect anything in Existence, any Form possible. This is because the brain is basically using Infinite Potential to express very certain outcomes. But here is another crucial part. What the brain does fundamentally is completely miraculous. The fact that a certain Expression can be Guided can only be due to the Will of God. There is no other way, because no limited Structure could possibly chose from Infinite Potential for something particular to manifest. This requires the Free Will and Infinite Wisdom. After all, there is truly Infinite Potential and for any lmiited form to chose from that Infinite Potential, it would required to dissolve into Infinite Potential. What the brain is is a machine which simply limits the expression of Infinite Potential. It's an Infinite Potential Limitation machine. So it might very well be that Quantum Physics is important in this, because at some point it will reach Nothingness. That Nothingness is what is being Limited by the brain. This is the mindblowing thing about this, you can Frame this in Infinite ways. You could say that there are Infinite pieces of Nothingness or Infinite Potential which themselves contain All of Existence, and each one of them is manipulated by a Manifested piece of Infinite Potential to manifest into a particular form of Limited Potential. And every single one of these Infinite Potentials contains literally every possible combination of Infinite Potentials manipulating each other into the expression of certain Finite Potentials. This is how you could look at reality. This means there is no beginning and end. There is no fundamental thing. The universe does not cause the brain which causes sentience. Everything causes everything equally. Everything contains everything. Your Sentience contains the Universe, all Universes, all of Existence, every possible form of manifestation and intercombination of manifestation. So in "reality", there is no brain causing or capturing anything. Everything simply is a miracle manifested into Reality so directly it is simply unfathomable to grasp. But yet there is consistency to it, and Illusion of Cause and Effect. And all of this can theoretically be Understood directly, by manifesting literally All of it within a single Mind. Your mind could literally manifest the entire universe, if God's Will deemed it so. The miracle is not Unlimited Potential, the miracle is Limitation. This is fundamentally what science does not grasp yet. So the right question in this context would be: How can the brain limit Infinity into a particular, consistent and guided way? This would, however, assume that it is not Infinity itself that creates the limitation and therefore the illusion of the structure of the brain. Science is not creating or discovering anything. Rather Infinity is allowing for the Illusion of Science discovering and creating things. Science is fundamentally the Mercy of God, as everything else in Existence is. Science is the Impossible deemed Possible. Yet Science today is so arrogant as to assume to be the arbitrator of the Possible and Impossible, when infact it itself is Impossible and only Possible becaused Free Will deemed it so. Scientists should be on their knees crying in gratitude for Science having been allowed to be made possible.

@Member To me, it sure feels like awareness comes from the body, but this is something I haven't deeply contemplated yet. Under my current paradigm, if I think of awareness being everywhere, my mind makes the conclusion that every object would have to have sentience, but I don't want to believe that. I have much contemplating to do to overcome these deeply held beliefs.

What I've learned so far in this thread: Main issues: who is really awakened, who isn't? How do we know any one teacher is truly awake? All teachers and their teachings are false? How do we verify for ourselves without losing too much time? Also issues about authority to teachers and students. Issues on misunderstanding awakening from other states, enlightenment, paranormal experiences ect. Side issues that seem random, coming out of left field: masculine and feminine and what governs truth/untruth(possibility/impossibility), how to do contemplation properly, being a personal god vs an external god, solipsism, nihilism, questioning existence and sentience, the whole Viper's nest of trying to word, define and re-define God for yourself, using language magic to divine god, touching on ideas and beliefs as mind viruses that spread, reconciling old beliefs with new ones, and how God practices on different universes and how you've done this once upon a time too. Also the issue of threads getting off into tangents on other issues that hardly have anything to do with main issue.?

@Leo Gura Please read these words carefully. By definition, finite is limited, meaning it is not all there is. This character, this human avatar is but one drop in the infinite ocean of God, one puzzle piece, one single pixel on the infinite screen of God. I know that, at a deeper level, I am simultaneously all drops, all puzzle pieces, all pixels. But, no matter how paradoxical it may seem, so is everyone else. In this temporary expression of my ultimate Self, I have intentionally decided to create the experience of dividing myself infinitely into every being and object you see before you. While it is true that I have not actually divided myself, (mechanically speaking), the experience of being divided is real. This would all be pointless if it wasn't. In the mind of God, your temporary avatar is just as imaginary as every other one. But at the deepest level, the consciousness beneath each avatar is sentient, is totally alive. This sentience, this alive awareness is the same for absolutely everyone, whether that's a person, a computer, a tree, an ant, or the very ground you walk on. There would be no reason for God to temporarily project itself as each of these things if there wasn't something real about every single of them; if there wasn't something absolutely real being gained from it doing so. In fact, because God-consciousness is all there is, it would be impossible for there to be absolutely nothing real about everything there is, (including people) even in this illusory realm. Therefore, believing that one single finite, dualistic, therefore limited, egoic human self is the only sentient entity there is, is incredibly delusional. I do not intend to offend you with these words at all, this is simply the Truth I have come to realize. If you truly believed this yourself as your words suggest, you would not continue to make videos or respond to anyone here. Even you must know that there is something totally real, no matter how deeply hidden or veiled, about everyone you interact with. You are dangerously misleading many of your followers. I seriously advise you to re-evaluate the words you constantly speak and to learn to develop some compassion.

I respect that definition of sentience and meat. I personally find plants & insects to be sentient creatures. I was just suggesting all animals eat meat, if they can have it. Eating by itself is a biological act, it does not require any belief or thought. Even if I am to forsake all beliefs as a caveman, raw meat will most likely be more appetizing than a plate of grass when I am in starved state. The claim that people do not need to eat animal products for their well-being is not factual for me. People do get physically sick on a 100% vegan diet - okay, so the solution is to eat more variety of plants, nuts, seeds, fruits, and to supplement. But I got a problem with receiving an important vitamin like b12 solely from a supplement because 1. Supplements are not FDA approved. 2. Health experts recommend getting most if not all vitamins and minerals through food which makes sense to me from an intuitive standpoint. I take vitamin D3 as a supplement, but I still make sure to go outside and gets sunlight, and/or eat fish. So to me, eating meat is necessary for biological function because I cannot get b12 naturally from plants, not to mention a host of other nutrients. I agree with the essential amino acids. I still consume plants, potatoes, beans, seeds, and fruits. What about B12? and Vitamin A since animal sourced Vitamin A is different than plant forms.

For me, the threshold is sentience. I don't consider insects to be fully sentient beings, so I don't consider eating insects as "eating meat". Using insects as examples or a rare example of a starving herbivore eating meat is a distraction. It is using fringe examples to justify one's own behavior. If you want to use the example of an elephant, I would gladly have humans to eat like elephants. That would mean that humans would never eat an animal other than fish, and on average, each human would eat about one fish per year. Like the average elephant diet, the human diet would be 99.99% vegan. . . That sounds awesome to me. The personal question is quite simple: Do you want to contribute to causing pain and suffering to sentient beings? All this other stuff is a distraction from facing this uncomfortable question. If you introspect deep enough, this question will get very uncomfortable. All these rationalizations and thought stories are distractions from facing this personal question. As I've said, I am not 100% vegan. Yet I understand how my behavior is contributing to the suffering of sentient beings. I have tried to reduce my impact, yet I am not 100% there yet. . . However, I don't rationalize this by giving examples of other animals eating insects and fish. I face the question of my impact directly and it gets very uncomfortable at times. Not everyone is willing to look at themself, their behavior and their impact on others. It's more comfortable to go into distrative rationalizations to avoid looking at the issue.

@electroBeam Very well said, i always felt some dimension of predestination and me tapping into collective, for example i randomly think about something and relatively quickly someone says what i tought or that problem gets randomly solved! There is sentience for life for sure! Every night you try to wish for the same thing for a year or smth if you are total skeptic and then see how it happens!

@arlin you have to train the prefrontal cortex, or rather more functionally, sentience. Sentience can be trained in a number of ways, the best way to explore and realise sentience is through experiential training. I make mention of a simple emotional shifting exercise at the bottom of this comment here that will give a real sense of sentience and subsequent personal empowerment which stands as your very real and tangible free will in this reality. Someone said as a reply to my comment that I'm yet to get to "what is sentience?", as a reply here it simply means what we normally refer to as self awareness without that internal chatter, instead the awareness of that. The next step would be training the frontoparietal network, or to simply say, the prefrontal cortex. This involves simply doing things that get one to train their reasoning, for a male in general I'd recommend spatial reasoning. Say lots of chess and then learning to transpose those skills into ones everyday life, that way the training will translate in and outside of chess. Chess can be very intimidating for people but if the end goal of improving sentience is kept in mind that can better enable sentience. Also the emotional shifting exercises themselves, if one wishes to practice, will make a considerable difference to someones ability in the realm of relieving oneself from depression. In fact I'd argue that if someone were to do 3 hours of training per day there's absolutely no doubt that they'd not only redeem any depressed condition they'd far exceed any ability they had here they previously thought possible. I personally do not train on the exercises myself, however I do train my prefrontal cortex, spending at least 2-3 hours per day and I find that in itself helps in the alleviation of any potential symptoms of depression as well as capacities to self regulate. The emotional exercises even if one doesn't want to consistently train there at a bare minimum allow someone to really experience what sentience is actually like, a feeling that I think many people have probably forgotten. And don't feel bad if you can't shift your state easily initially, I remember when I did properly train for about a week after the 4th day or so 1+ training I was amazed at how good I was getting.

What do you mean by sentience? do you mean to develop extra sensory perception to be able to perceive and feel or experience new experiences? do you mean to make your senses sharper? I don't get what do you mean by changing the emotional state to see how to increase brain power, the emotional state seem not related except maybe as a motivating force for the subconscious to open new doors of perception. do you mean to develop more awareness so u can understand more? can u give a more clarified example to show your point? Thank you very much for your time.

Sentience. Its important to recognise that sentience is an organisational principle, this is why we see a relationship between higher sentience and "self recognition" (i.e. mirror tests), thus higher sentience allows us to not only regulate our emotions better but also alter them in a particular direction at will with the appropriate training. This training and the extension of this potential is naturally to the full mapping of the entire brain where we can engender such ability. Meaning a maximisation of training will allow us to become sentient enough that we can regulate and control much more of our brain than we realise and thus affect growth in important areas, secondly, that if we were to induce a maximisation of optimising the parameters that govern the brains ability to change, i.e. neuroplastiicty, say through drug interventions (ayahuasca is implicated in improvements in neuroplastiicty for example, at least in specific instances though its broadness hasn't been well studied). Improve sentience, we improve our access. Simple emotional transference exercises where you even just say sit down for 15 minutes trying to change from 1 emotional state to the next changing to a new 1 every minute will reveal to you, very, very experientially, just what I mean by sentience, the feeling of sentience and the brains capacity for self intervention on state.

@ajasatya One more thing that you may find interesting to contemplate: None of us can contemplate or create so much as a thought without meaning, thus to say that life has no intrinsic meaning is an unsubstantiated contradiction Given the relationship between cognitive syntax and the syntax of reality, otherwise expressed as C->R, this also renders your statement as not only unsubstantiated but invalid. Ultimate meaning is the entire purpose of reality, without it, reality would have no purpose to exist. Existence requires purpose for purpose is the building blocks for reality, the organisational principle that allows information to establish logical coherence to the point it can talk with itself to build further purpose. Purpose is the precursor to all intrinsic meaning and all meaning predicates the purposes that will be derived from the perceptual syntax designed to infer it, i.e. us. where we're back to C -> R. C->R is the binding loop between realities simultaneous self representation and self configuration, this is also the dual framework for establishing the logical predicates necessary for free will both from the perspective of reality and the free will of a human. This loop in a nutshell, is sentience, an engine that allows for cognition to have selection boundaries serve self optimisation parameters, aka, from evolution to self actualisation. Just some thoughts to consider. The logic is flawless but you can have a go at trying to crack it.

And wow, as a reflection of the highest form of self awareness imagine how much it would change your life if you aware of everything in existence at all times... (something I'll experiment with - see how much I can actually be aware of simultaneously even though the modelling is only predictive haha) This is why self education is so important, so you can build an accurate model of reality, simulate things in real time and then be able to make intelligent assessments about what you can best contribute to the world. Thus in this sense, not only is there a war against sentience, there is a war against self awareness (again ='s realities level of awareness of its contents - from our human perspective when it applies to our relationship there) given our level of self awareness determines how well our models align with reality and in doing so, the degree to which our decisions are for the best maturation of existence according to our greatest wills.

On the subject of words I really love the term sentience by the way, so much more clarifying than self awareness. In the literal sense all self awareness (from a humans perspective) actually means from a more accurate point of view is the degree to which reality is aware of its contents from the human subjective reference frame in any one moment - meaning modern references to the idea are incomplete and ultimately inappropriately split from reality. Sentience however has both really great practical and theoretical ground.

@Victor Mgazi It's a very fascinating scenario but just in a nut shell, its sentience corrupted that's all. Sentience is the thing that allows us to have free will. Most depression and suicide related symptoms (including fear) would be healed through a training of the prefrontal cortex and general self governance training. Most humans have been corrupted by mainstream "unregulated" (and therefore chaotic) culture, and because their social governance does not facilitate their internal governance the likelihood that people will fall victim to negative states of being is much higher. Try at least 25% of the US population, and that's because of the socioeconomic structure that governs consumer options and because most of those act as social malware, its a successful statistic because it fuels people to be more dependent and therefore reliable unthinking consumers. The biggest war being waged on humans right now is on sentience, thus the cure is sentience.

@Francis Trach Just my own 2 cents. For anything to have sentience it must have what can be termed "reality sentience". This means that to the extent that there is sentience, the person is aware of and can make adjustments to reality. This is the definition of free will. You are an aspect of reality, which is to the extent that you have sentience, free to transform reality. To this extent, you as reality, are responsible for every decision that is bound up and made within sentience, outside this, you are excused. Free will and sentience have a coupling which cannot be uncoupled, this is because sentience itself exists as a kind of freedom, this is why awareness appears as a kind of "nothingness", this is because this is the encasing by which contents can flow through and you can make changes to the universe through the synthesis that your consciousness engenders in its interaction with those contents. This doesn't mean we're "all powerful free will universal changing beings" of course, meaning free will exists on a spectrum and we exist somewhere to the right in the animal kingdom as well as individual differences existing right across the human population. Free will resides in the prefrontal cortex mostly, thus it is the place where people should concentrate most if they wish to improve their free will incrementally over the long term rather than have it diminish more and more with age due to misuse and lack of use. There's really no way out of free will unfortunately, and I seriously doubt anyone here would be able to logically falsify the statement. Reality exhibits ultimate sentience and therefore ultimate free will relative to that sentience, we are like tiny microbes as reality which have been granted with awareness to reconfigure along with reality in the larger picture of realities ongoing transformation and understanding of itself.

Just because it doesn't add up to you doesn't make it false. It is well established that the same amount of calories will require far more ressources for beef than it will for various plant calories. Factory farming is in the majority of cases more environmentally friendly than roaming cattle due the the substaintial amount of land that is required to feed cows with grass. There is no such thing as a right to do anything. In my opinion it is also very ignorant to reduce this calculation to meat vs plant based. If I need to eat meat, does that mean I can factory farm chimps and dolphines or even humans for that matter, if I have access to beings that are less sentient? Just because you need meat doesn't mean you can just kill any animal whatsoever to get it, otherwise you could easily justify killing humans for meat production. If there is an alternative in my view any functional moral system will have to somehow reduce itself to only consuming the least sentient animals that is practically possible. This means something like this: If you truly require meat, eat mussels. If mussels are not available, eat insects. If insects are not available, eat fish. And so forth. You wouldn't just go and kill a human because you need meat, that would seem absurd. You can be absolutely healthy without consuming any beef whatsoever. For the absolute majority of people mussels and fish are easily accessable and a far more healthier alternative. It is not yet established that it is not possible to structure a plant based diet and still be reasonably healthy for the majority of people. This is just an assertion, and I would posit it to be a moral imperative for us to: A) Do our utmost best to not include products that cause greater suffering and exploitation in our diet and otherwise. B) If we do require some of them, make efforts to somehow aquire these products or essential nutrients in these products in a different manner (like supporting lab grown meat for example) C) Change our view that we are entitled to the most optimal health. To me it is inconsistent and self-biased to treat animals like cows, chicken, fish and so forth to any lesser degree than we treat mentally disabled people on the same level of sentience. I could not possibly conceive of a difference between them, other than reasons based on self-bias, that would justify the kind of argumentation you are providing. "You surely can't expect people to have unhealthy bodies purely so that we can save a few mentally disable people?" If you think this comparison is outrageous, I view it as evidence of your self-bias and speciesism. It is no different from racism.

I do feel the humor when reading of Sciential minded theists seeking to prove the existence of their God. No,...science does not need a new paradigm to enhance the God meme,...they need to let go of their sentience so to view reality as it is. "the ego is a monkey catapulting through the jungle; totally fascinated by the realm of the senses....if anyone threaten it, it actually fears for its life. Let this monkey go. Let the senses go." Lao-tzu "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates However,...I do agree that there is an Intelligence at work,...one could say an evil intelligence that seeks to sustain itself and prevent egos from realizing the truth. There’s a relevant story in the Kevatta Sutta about God/Allah/Brahma the Magnificent. A talented monk who wanted to find out the answer to the question, “Where do the four elements cease without remainder?” Through meditation he reached the Heaven of the Four Great Kings, who did not know the answer. Next he went to the thirty three gods in a higher Desire Realm heaven, but none of these rulers knew either. He then asked King Sakka (Indra), the king of these gods, but Sakka did not know the answer. Up and up he went asking all sorts of gods at each and every higher level. Finally he came to Great Brahma, the Creator, the One Uncreated, Knower of All. When the monk finally achieved an audience with Great Brahma, Brahma appeared in all his majesty and glory announcing, "I am Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be." The monk then humbly and respectfully asked his question, but all Great Brahma did was repeat, "I am Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be." The monk eventually got frustrated and said, “I know you are "Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be," but I asked you a question about where the four elements cease without remainder. The Great Brahma replied, “Listen little monk, don’t embarrass me. All these other gods are listening and think I know everything. If you want to know the answer to a question like that, don’t ask me. I don’t know the answer. For a question like that, you have to go ask the Buddha.”

“The mind cannot comprehend an entirely new idea until a corresponding vibratory brain cell has been prepared to receive it.” Charles F. Haanel. In the meantime,... “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer. I'm not a mathematician,..was actually my least favorite subject while being indoctrinated into this sciential knowledge driven culture. Like most students with a major in philosophy, was instructed about countable infinity, positive infinity, negative infinity, cosmological infinity, potential infinity,absolute infinity,Zeno's paradox, etc., none of which interested me,...it was all about impermanence,...the simulation,...the Box,...and met many who went down that hard to escape from rabbit hole. What captured my curiousity was Zero. In the 90's spend a year in Palenque researching the Mayan cero (the white conch). Not an Empty Set,...but Zero,...that which does not does not include a Set. Zero upsets peoples sensory-based logic. While in Palenque got the opportunity to hang out again with Terence McKenna, among others. We previous spent time together in Charlottesville,...but the fresh mushrooms in Chiapas are primo. "There is no liberation to compare with freeing oneself from the illusions and delusions of the age in which one lives." Terence McKenna From a Spiritual point of view (that is, a non-sensory awareness of the in-breath and out-breath of duality), infinity has become a voguish topic among the sciential minded and New Agers tethered to an abundance of sophistry (personal truths). Unfortunately, theories about infinite space, time, and quantity are seldom considered as the imaginary math they are,...in contrast to applied or relative math (that is, how to live successfully in the Dream). This fantasy math, what Aristotle called potential infinity, is fundamentally limited, just as Space-Time is limited,...a finite volume that can be looped, although with a sensory appearence of a continuum. Among of the first things that someone serious about elevating their Conscious Awareness inquires about is accepting that the 6 senses (seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, and thinking) cannot observe reality. "Recognize that everything you see and think is a falsehood, an illusion, a veil over the truth" - Lao-tzu The patriarchal constructs of Priests of Science and metaphysical gurus thrive off of their sentience,...usually explaining their wisdom through concepts like Set Theory. For me, the word wisdom is a TELL that it's not a good moment to engage in conversation. Wisdom literally means knowledge accumulated through philosophic or scientific learning. In other words, wisdom points to the highest and most lofty ideas of ego consciousness, whose sole purpose is to sustain itself. Not much spiritual value in wisdom. "Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.” ~ Friedrich Nietzsche Infinity is a term whose accepted definitions point to a relationship with space/time, thus like space/time, infinity is not real. There is no "set" which is infinite beyond our perceptions. On another hand, Eternity, which is not a synonym of infinity, but that without beginning or end,... does not need space/time to exist. Time and eternity are contradictions. Quantum cosmologists Steven Hawking and Jim Hartle said in their No-Boundary theory, that the concept of a beginning in time is meaningless. That is to say, there was no Big Bang, no singularity, no creation, no Creator, no beginning nor end, because there is no time. Enlightened Bodhisattva's been saying that for a few thousand years through their realization of Timelessness. "To be proven wrong should be celebrated, for it is elevating someone to a new level of understanding.” Peter Joseph Merola When viewing broad slices of Space-Time within Dream's Box before the understanding of the Box, is a wonderous, albeit deceptive, conditional experience. For example, Most don't realize that each of the endocrine glands, associated with the seven main chakras, are all orgasmic. If one had a sentient experience with "infinity," it may be like three endocrine gland ejaculating,...a huge event for one used to only Root Chakra orgasms. Ego loves experiences that validate Dream's Box. Following such "infinity viewings" the unprepared novice often exclaims of having had a union with God,...and that is actually correct,...because God is synonymous with the One Lever upon which Duality effects its motion. However,...when the motion ceases, so does the One Lever that is God,...and the Still, Causeless Fulcrum,...Zero,...the Absolute,...Undivided Light,...our home is revealed. "As man unfolds from sensed man to spiritual man he gradually becomes aware of the two-way motion of all effect" - Walter Russell. There is nothing beyond the Box (metatrons cube). Nothing ever happens in the Box. . There is no Box,...it's a simulation,...there is no One Lever or Dual Movement. The Box is not "part" of the Fulcrum. Undivided Light,...the Tao,...is proof that no God exists. Know God, no Spirituality; Gnow Spirituality, no God. "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates

Quite certain that no amount of mystical or divinely conditioned experiences will ever have a Direct Experience with the Absolute. Experience arisen through belief can only be experienced through the condition of that belief,...thus not a Direct Experience. The question of my Direct Experiences have neither been dodged nor denied. In fact I recall commentting on my first Unfeigned Surrender in Dec '74,...my first experience with Undivided Light. And it was mentioned that I not only retired 9 months following that tremendum, but had at least a thousand similar direct experiences. A more important question would be why are you and others insistent on hearing stories of direct experience? Yes,...I've had more Peak Experiences than the average Italian has had pizza in their life,...so what,...how does that help someone serious about the Great Juncture from sentient being to spiritual being take the leap? Someone once said,..."Go jump off a cliff. Don’t go near the cliff and contemplate jumping off. Don’t read a book about jumping off. Don’t study the art and science of jumping off. Don’t join a support group for jumping off. Don’t write poems about jumping off. Don't cling to a parachute as you jump. Don’t kiss the ass of someone else who jumped off. Just jump." To be clear,...I do not use the words of the awakened as Truth, without my own direct experience of Truth. In fact,...the words of the "awakened" that I use are always prior to experiences. And also keep in mind,...most quotes I use are not from the "awakened,"...but applicable to my message. For example,...T. S. Eliot was surely NOT an awakened being,...but on occasion I've used his quote, "Human kind cannot bear very much reality." IMO, quotations and aphorisms can serve as a mentoring device for those who venture into the liminal zone between duality’s sciential sentience and the sapiential consciousness of authentic spirituality. But again,...as mentioned before,...using quotations are an excellent TELL of those not really interested in Truth Realization,...but rather their own glorification and status. And to really aggravate those tethered to the Substance Levels of Spiral Dynamics,...the Spiritual Pretenders,...my last book is a Collage of quotes, with the messenger numbered instead of written out. "99.9% of the World's so-called wisdom, East and West, for the purposes of awakening, is about as useful as a glass of warm spit with a hair in it." Jed McKenna I'm only interested in the <0.1% who are actually desirous of Awakening. A Yellow (SD 7) who appears close the Momentous Leap said, "When you can write your biography on the size of a stamp and you still have space left over, then I would like to meet you."

Yes,...there is a point to life,...and it's the same point for everyone,...of course ego will not except that. I can explain the point of life, but why? Some have explained it before, no different than others, yet adjusted for the language of that time,... but few have welcomed it. "Contradictions in perspective among those Seeing the profound do not occur" – Taranatha. Your question, "Is there point of life?" indicates that you're unaware of a single absolute truth,...so that could be your starting point if the answer to your question is serious. Most settle for making up a story so that it's more palatable for one's beliefs,...usually something "divine" fills in their blank,...and there is a most profound reason why some 95% of humanity believe in personal theistic story. “Your own Self-Realization is the greatest service you can render the world.” Ramana Maharshi "If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of your self." Lao Tzu, Huahujing The process to awakening is about uncovering truth,....not Relative Truth, which arises from the 6 senses,...but Absolute Truth,...and the way to uncover truth is letting go of all that is false so you can recognize what's left. "The real seeker of truth never seeks truth. On the contrary, she tries to clean herself of all that is untrue, inauthentic, insincere." Chandra Mohan Jain And keep in mind,..."Two truths cannot contradict one another” - Galileo Galilei If you ever hear someone say, "lets agree to disagree,"...they have no interest in truth. Now,...for the real scary part,...if you honestly desire to uncover truth,...you must let go of ALL your "personal truth." Personal truths are always lies. When you except that,...next step could be an investigation about why everything you see, taste, smell, touch, hear, and think is a lie. “All that I have tried to understand to the present time has been affected by my senses; now I know these senses are deceivers, and it is prudent to be distrustful after one has been deceived once.” René Descartes "Recognize that everything you see and think is a falsehood, an illusion, a veil over the truth" Lao-tzu "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates "Those who are greatly deluded about enlightenment are sentient beings." Dōgen Any teacher who does not expound on the nature of sentience has no interest in truth,...nor Spirituality. Bodhisattva's take a vow to help liberate sentient beings from their sentience for a reason.

It is said that Yellow (SD 7) integrates to realize the highest potential,...thus they are open to learning/unlearning at any time and from any source, like bees that gather nectar from many flowers. There is such joy in communing with those interested in Self-Inquiry and uncovering their Unborn Awareness. As I'm not a teacher nor desire to waste my time dialoguing with those stuck in Substance Level paradigms, thus I often use quotes; because they seem to quickly identify those who lack integrity and honesty, and are easily distracted by predispositions, especially about the messenger. The quotes I use are never OUT OF CONTEXT with the context in which I'm using them. Using quotes both distances me from the label of being a teacher or attempting teach, and they often irritate narrow-minded, Substance Level people. Overall I'd like to connect with those who catch the point of the message, instead of drifting off with some predispositions about the messenger. Especially pathetic are those who believe a poster should use "their own words;" an instant TELL that they are First-tier thinkers. That said,....an applicable quote comes to mind for critiquing Ramaji's RASA 1000 LOC: "99.9% of the World's so-called wisdom, East and West, for the purposes of awakening, is about as useful as a glass of warm spit with a hair in it." While there are many unusable and unexpanded on references to Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta,...overall the book has nothing to do with Spiritual[ity,]...a word it mentions 500 times. For example,...the word "hope" is mentioned 26 times; yet it is only used correctly twice, in the same sentence,...and used without direct experience. "Hope is for fools,...drop your hopes." Ramaji. WHY? Hope is an important subject for anyone desirous of revealing their potential spiritual nature. Is there a more dishonest, perniciousness word than hope? hope n. from ME. hopa, an expectation. 1. expectation of something desired; anticipation of some future event. 2. a guess or belief. 3. that which gives hope; a substance or object hoped for; an expected payoff. No matter what level we wish to view it from, hope is false. Hope is an anticipation of the future; thus it must arise from a predisposition, a belief, and attachment to the past. Hope implies lack,...how else could we possibly define it? Hope is for something we think we don't possess. How could hope ever be expressed through an Open-Mind or Open-Heart ? The belief of hope is a barrier that obscures the present. If our attention is on seeking hope, how are we to ever experience the immediacy required to be in the Present? “the highest goal is being devoid of hope and fear…. And when all hopes and fears have died, the Goal is reached.” Tilopa Another very important subject for anyone wanting to experience the ABSOLUTE is sentience,....which is not mentioned in 1000 LOC,....although the term sentient is scribed four times with the wit of a typical Green (SD 6). "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates "Recognize that eveything you see and think is a falsehood, an illusion, a veil over the truth" - Lao-tzu Without understanding the senses,...how is one desirous of Awakening to the Absolute ever honestly going to uncover the Absolute? In the only mention of the "senses," Ramaji spews, "Enjoy your five senses,...be just this and nothing else,...this is it." Actually there are 6 senses,...seeing, tasting, smelling, hearing, touching, and thinking,...and I guarantee you, NO ONE can see, taste, smell, hear, touch, or think in the Present. “Phenomenally, we can know no present, as it must be in the ‘past’ before our senses can complete the process of recording it, leaving only a suppositional past and future; noumenally, there is no question of ‘past’ or ‘future,’ but only a presence that knows neither ‘time’ nor ‘space.’ ” Wei Wu Wei "Relativity says that the future and past have equal validity. All events are frozen in this giant block (Space-Time). We just happen to perceive one end of the block as the past, and the other end as the future, and that we are moving in a certain direction. But that's just a function of our perception, and doesn't reflect any physical reality." Ted Chiang "The idea that the future is no different than the past doesn't sit well with a lot of people, because we like to think of the future as being indetermenate, open-ended, and not fixed the way the past is. But physics suggests that the future is just as fixed as the past." Ted Chiang "When is Now? The now in our brain is actually the past, and admittedly, the brain does a pretty good job of compensating for its own delay by predicting the old future and therefore the perceived present; although runs into problems when the future is less predictable, like when swatting a fly." Hinze Hogendoorn Every page of 1000 LOC is enough to make a Bodhisattva nauseous for its attempt to step between sentient beings and their direct experience. And Ramaji's list of 400 teachers divined through muscle testing (a kinesiological technique which uses the BODY, which is not real, to print a biased number regarding the level of "spiritual teachers," the majority of whom don't have a clue what spirituality is,...including Ramaji. No one desirous for Self-Actualization would take this book seriously.

The universe becoming conscious of itself,...LOL,...a universal ego,...like Sentient Beings who believe "i think, therefore I Am." A significant falsity in today's world is this paradigm of "i think,"....and its notions of Personal Truths and Me Stories built upon patriarchal constructs such as the delusion of individual consciousness. Nevertheless, sentience makes a quite compelling argument for itself among Sentient Beings. "How many of us truly want wisdom? We want many things, but who really wants wisdom? Gabrielle Roth. “Truth lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it.” Goethe In the 80's I shown dozens of people how to not only pick up a better signal, but how to receive Other Stations,...and called it Fractal Riding. The seemingly infinite number of "stations" are all within the One Space-Time of this Dream. And keep in mind,...the Whole of Conscious Awareness is beyond Space-Time,....just as authentic Wholeness is beyond the sum of opposites. You may be wondering What the F*** is this guy talking about. Place yourself in ease in front of a mirror, and keep looking,...eyes to eyes,...quieting your thinking,...relaxing and softening your gaze,...letting go of mental inertia and being liberated from beliefs,....one begins to enter Full Spectrum sight,...an auric view,...don't freak-out as your face appears to distorts or change,...a beard may appear or gender switched,...allow,...just observe,...don't let thoughts interpret what you're seeing,...like people having an epiphany and then mentally declare that was God. Often, several faces appear quickly, as if one is "turning stations" too fast. When comfortable, focus attention on one station, that is, just one different face. As that attention is gained, the peripheral vision can see that not only your face is different, but that you're dressed different, and the background, like peering through a window of time. This is Fractal Riding. Just as one changes the frequencies on a radio tuner to hear a different "station," fractal riding reveals a multitude of other waveforms,...slices within space-time. "Relativity says that the future and past have equal validity. All events are frozen in this giant block (Space-Time). We just happen to perceive one end of the block as the past, and the other end as the future, and that we are moving in a certain direction. But that's just a function of our perception, and doesn't reflect any physical reality." Ted Chiang Fractal Riding reveals that all phenomenon can be viewed within the body of an individual radio receiver. There is no past nor future,...all is occurring simultaneously,...for ultimately, there is no time. The radio does not really exist. But then, that's another discussion. "The idea that the future is no different than the past doesn't sit well with a lot of people, because we like to think of the future as being indetermenate, open-ended, and not fixed the way the past is. But physics suggests that the future is just as fixed as the past." Ted Chiang Fractal Riding is a term I use for focusing on a Still Point, that is, the Zero, or harmonic interchange within waveforms. Often, when sharing this observable phenomenon in the 80's, I show a scene in the 1959 Disney Classic 'Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land' (on VHS), where a pentagam is zoomed into to reveal another and another pentagram. Fractal Riding is the moving into a Still Point, or Zero, through physical, albeit fuller spectrum sight, to reveal a multitude of other waveforms (or slices of Space-Time), just as if one changed the frequency on a radio tuner to here a different "station". We are not Beings of Consciousness, we are Beings with different levels of Conscious Awareness. On a one to one basis, or looking in a mirror, observing other "stations", literally, dimensions within our own perceived dimension, takes just a few minutes. Sometimes I'd begin by having the person relax and direct their attention on a point about 4 metres into a clear sky and view the prana globules dancing before them, or sometimes I'd have them focus on the edge of an evergreen, observing both the fuscia aura and prana that feeds it. Next, in a fairly lit place, preferably with my back to a solid off-white surface, I have the person, who is comfortably sitting about 4 metres away, focus softly, almost like a squint, on the crown of my head, until they see the first levels of my physical atmosphere, or aura. Usually, a person first witnesses a whitish fog, but as the eyes soften, this clears, and prismatic colours can be seen. Next, I have them lower their eyes to my face, preferably a point between my eyes. Within seconds, they begin to observe my facial feature distort and become other faces, ie., perhaps where there was no beard, now there is a beard, but even more, that is, they are no longer looking at the same physical person. Often, several faces appear quickly, which is simply that they are "turning stations" too fast. The idea is to focus attention on one station, that is, just one different face. As that attention is gained, their peripheral vision can see that not only my face is different, but that I'm dressed different, and the background, like peering through a window of time, fitting the period they are witnessing. This practice seemed like an interesting gateway to unfeigned surrender, which initiates the release of natural tryptamines. Most Sentient Beings are so base-energy focused,...not realizing that there are 7 orgasmic chakras,...most of which make a Root Chakra ejaculation seem like drizzle from swamp water. "Because yin and yang are not complete within us as individuals, we pair up to integrate them, and bring new life. Although most people spend their entire lives following this biological impulse, it is only a tiny portion of our beings as well." Lao-tzu

I'll be increasing my consumption of veggies, but I have this recent objection to doing this, and it goes like this: If I'm to eventually go vegan and just eat plant-based food every day, and more people are going vegan, am I actually contributing to deforestation and inequality? Because My new demand for veggies would, together with vegans, influence the supply. And those suppliers would have to, depending on what fruits and veggies I and people want, clear land (deforestation) to create agriculture for veggies. the more demand for veggies, the more deforestation, which encourages an increase in cheaper labor. I've also recently watched a documentary on plants possibly having sentience, and I'm feeling a bit uneasy about eating them now. Any insight into this?