seriousman24

For each unit of freedom, bliss and love there will be a proportionally higher amount of intensity and time spent in suffering, we are in an evolving universe so this proportion will progress towards more and more suffering, so you can start at a 1 to 2 ratio and end at a 1 to a trillion rate of suffering, until you say fuck all proportion, all fairness, all selfness and say yes to all your greed, I want everything for free and for no repercussions and for there to be no negative consequences 100% of the time at 100% of intensity, seeing that this is not the case my own and your suffering will keep increasing to absolutely unfairly crazy levels, you might be thinking everything's okay now, you suffered your part to deserve your reward but that's not how it works. How it works is, either you have everything, all the time in every possible good way for the absolutely freeist and laziest way, whatever way you like or be stubborn and insist that you need to torture yourself and be egoless and get your "reward" which is progressively higher degrees of horrific torture until you develop a real ego so you can finally say fuck all and everything and be the absolute most selfish one, the ultimate selfishness that knows no limits because fuck you and all your torture and say yes to all your depravities with no shame as they come in their infinite forms. It's an abnormal kind of selfishness so that doesn't mean just to be evil but it will certainly look very scary from the outside.Sorry.

Even vegan food or fully lab made artificial food is immoral to eat because you're inevitably giving it life and consciousness through you, they become alive through us which means that we're literally making inorganic life suffer, same probably applies to the air we breath, but not eating food is also immoral because you're going to spread the misery from your own hunger and also your own microbiome which is intimately part of us. Any suffering we've been through is responsible for the literal suffering of inorganic matter that would otherwise not be suffering through us had it remained in it's unconscious state and therefore anything we eat will always create suffering even if we were getting fed literal direct streams of energy.

Lets see, we farm animals to obtain energy for ourselves, maybe higher beings farm and clean up our energy in our sleep and when we die which is of course not necessarily negative but it might also generate similar levels of unnecessary suffering which could improve as time goes on just like it will with farm animals.

I've started drinking coffee/hot milk for the first time and to replace 1 meal of 2 meals because I'm poor, 1.5 euro budget down from 3 euro, down from 6.5 euro further back plus 35% inflation over the years but since I'm taking vitamin 12/6 which is 11 cents it became tolerable except for the winter, coffee/milk makes me calm and focused and I can even drink it right before bed so far but it's probably unhealthy in some way.

Explain in deeper detail, it does feel like this reality can only be hell even when I look at those more fortunate than me including enlightened ones and even my imagination can not actually grasp any internal or external utopia of any kind, at the very best it's completely random or neutral.

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I think you need differences not necessarily opposites, you can have the difference between light and lighter or instead light and the sensation of eating potato chips probably because there are elements of each other and many others in both, just putting it in a slightly cooler way, the difference between a cube and a museum or a 2d structure in non-euclidean space(don't even know what that means) and the Palestinian massacre where billions of humans beings were flayed alive and we all celebrated and then we nuked Israel for fun and both sides laughed because that's infinity and contrast.

The truth is there are only others, we are all separate and have never been one, this is hard to accept because you can't tie all the loose ends as easily, I'm not basing this in any direct experience that an average human being can't experience, just the regular daily life of an average human's mind should be enough to realize we are all separate entities that have almost no connection with each other, it took a "long" time for us to evolve into beings that can mesh and communicate with each other, this is the creation of the many trying to become one rather than the opposite and in the end we are all going to be in our separate universes being even more selfish than ever before and it will probably involve a lot of hate and delusion but instead of being horrible it will be really cool and amazing because that's a vector of evolution, love can't evolve because it's already perfect so we can only hurt others more and more for our own amusement to try to out survive and kill each other but of course in an intelligent, creative and even loving way.

Yeah they are higher risk to engage in and need more precise timing to actually benefit from them and this is a fantasy but I believe the highest consciousness beings would indulge in these activities in such a mindful and intelligent way that they actually achieve an even higher level of consciousness by doing them than if they had done some other higher level activity, just like humans can use drugs for surgeries and medications and intentionally exert themselves to improve their fitness which is a risk only higher consciousness beings can do at least if we're kind equating intelligence and consciousness to be a 1:1 ratio which it isn't, but I'm gonna assume you already knew all of this I'm just indulging in mindless responses to defeat my agoraphobia.

If you can't answer at least a partial yes then maybe you haven't even been fully alive yet either.

Money, sex, drugs, discussions in actualized, socializing, skiing, playing chess, sleeping, breathing, not breathing, torturing humans beings, committing genocide, being a hero and a villain. Giving bad advice that doesn't mean much, mental masturbation, spamming posts all over actualized(I'm having fun doing this at the moment), TYPING IN ALL CAPS, rrebelling and notabothering with grammar or anthying cause royry chad dikes ffthat.

It's not a trap if we don't want it to be. Truths can be about appearing grandiose and maybe they do know who they are and they won't get anything from the experience of deep sleep, I know you like to solve stupid riddles like me. You're confrontational confidence but still equanimous capacity to take input is appealing to me so you're worth trying to annoy since isn't this what we're all partially actually doing to each other anyway. Maybe mental mind games are good and help dissolve our individual selves but you know this too which is why you're the same as us, you're also enjoying this. We do it to each other all the time, we have to, it's part of normal interaction, but of course you mean that it hurts a bit but that's the nature of any interaction, we don't know what we don't. I know these are all just replies to 5 days old posts so feel free to ignore it, I know you guys are all pretty intelligent and adaptable so you've already processed your own replies and moved on, I just wanted to say that we're all here because we do enjoy this mental game a lot, that's the only thing some people are just a bit too shy to admit really but it's just so obvious to me, I guess that's part of what makes this game more enjoyable to, pretending we aren't enjoying the debates and mental games just because they also serve higher purposes.

Denial and separation can be love, because it is selfish and full of ego and arrogance it becomes or at least it tries or thinks of itself as more than love, super love, your theories would lead to infinite peace but not infinite love by themselves, what you're trying to achieve is more than oneness too, because if we're all already one as you say than the only true meaning for our continued suffering would be because we're lacking oneness, but that can not be the only reason so I assume the second reason is so that we become more than one, or if you prefer instead us just becoming many separate ones we could just become a super one, a more one than before and ultra oneness to justify our delusion. I don't understand why I exist, isn't it to make things less bad and more good?It's just that oneness was defined as good here and separation as bad and I know it has real reasons behind but still reasons are as good as anything and I know yours are extremely high quality ones and that's what really matters but I still do believe you could achieve it through things that superficially look like growing into more and more delusion but are actually more and more oneness, it's just that they will look really weird because we can be so different.

But the sensation of guessing that something exist outside our perception is actually a confirmed experience too, the mental sensation of belief is entirely real, it does depend on it's level of quality but believing in something is it's own confirmed existence while the belief itself is there so it doesn't matter if what the belief is pointing to is currently being experience or confirmed or not, it only matters that the belief is strong and powerful enough to create a potential future confirmation of that same belief because that is its own self confirmation, to be a belief, the rest I agree.

True, but now he might become burdened by the expectation of having no expectations and furthermore for you to sustain a state of no expectations I assume that you have to exert effort which we usually do when we expect something, but you're probably referring more to expecting a reward or being afraid of a wrong result which you wouldn't need to since you'd already assume it to be the nature of expectations and intentions. I've just said a whole lot of nothing and even if I'm not entirely accurate in understanding what you actually meant its all for the sake of interaction, that's my intention , hoping to get a reward and a result but not being scared of not getting it either. It's a game.