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@Loveeee if you can find leos blog he did recently this can help you. It’s the one about when he discovered that he is an alien intelligence that is somewhat like the Sid from ice age.

@GalynaWishing you well too. That's not my take that's what neuroscience says. No I never was an neuron let alone Alien God but I was Infinite Love.Something I want to forget about and don't go into madness again.Rationality is bliss.

I was pondering at how it's likely although maddening to say it does seem inevitable that we are all going to move towards singularity/unity of Self through transcending our biological form specifically the neurological hindrances that prevent us from seeing reality as it is or enlightenment with technology. As in at some point in time we are going to be able to bridge nueroscience and technology to remain and abide in a percieving reality in the constant stream of unification, non-duality. The question I have is how is such a transition possible, this kind of technology won't exist until the right kind of people are at the forerunner of development as the case is now the priority for technological development is driven by egotistical concerns of security. So moving towards singularity and the transcendence of our experience of suffering we already have had to reach a point a portion of society has attained to enlightenment that is capable of influencing society itself. Then that transition as I said will likely be through some kind of broadcast or transmission (not the energetic tranmission in Kriya for example) in the neurological structure, it sounds almost alien and terrifying to say, where there is an ability to merge technology with the immaterial reality, but even so that just contradicts itself - how can one merge material with immaterial? it's rather pointing to being able to manipulate the nuerological structure with technology for anyone to again, abide in total cessation of cognitive dissonance. Imo it is humanities greatest task at hand, but can it even be done?

How could we expand spiral dynamics to make both lower and higher stages? Lower stages could include behaviors of various animals, such as monkeys. Higher stages could include the greatest sages and mystics. Not Alan watts, Eckhart Tolle or Mooji. But rather what we may imagine Christ or Buddha were like. (Of course that would be difficult) I think one of the main things limiting spiral dynamics is that it’s only a map of human development. How about we include lower purely survival based stages? Very animalistic stages with no higher functions whatsoever. If anyone knows about animal psychology, you could give your ideas on this. Also we could add alien intelligence and love at the higher end of the spiral if @Leo Gura ever goes into more depth about what he means by that. If anyone has any idea what Leo means by alien love and how we could fit it into spiral dynamics, then share that.

I have done that.. Compared to what? Isn't it all relative? Maybe in comparison to a alien or something I'm a fly. I have already tried psychedelics.. Anything would be easier than what you suggested.. Maybe in a future life.

In times of current, which things seem to be becoming alien to most of us: I posit to the gura that is Leo: is there a higher goal for actualization in this realm or the next, familiar or alien, that supercedes Unity? do you concur @Leo Gura as a tautology Unity = Truth

We are the most advanced being on earth as far as we know. Unless there are aliens that aren't in perceivable range of our 5 senses here with us. I'm sure many alien species exist outside earth that are far more awake than humanity is at the current moment.

They are so ugly! Wtf is this visage of theirs? A nose protruding from their face? Is this not foreign? A mouth that opens up to allow stuff to be consumed like a trash compactor...what is that? Two circles above the "nose" that allow one to have "vision"....what is that? Is this not some alien thing? Look at their "face" in the mirror...what is this stuff growing on the top? Is it called hair? What is the stuff growing beneath the ",mouth"? What are the two orifices on each side of their "head" ? They take in something "known" as sound. So Jesus,, what the fuck are they? It's so...well it's so goddamn - alien! Have you ever seen anything that looks like this before? It's so weird! What's even weirder is that some of these alien beings are considered "handsome" or more appealing than others? Why is that? Aren't they all just so grotesque and something out of a science fiction book? I mean really - that snout right in the middle of their face says it all! We have truly discovered aliens!! For the very first time! They exist.

@Leo Gura thanks Leo. Do you still look like an Alien Leo?

Naa there’s dropping in a few nuggets of bullshit here and there, but then this stuff he’s on about changes, or maybe not changes, but adds volumes to his teachings. To throw something the size of these new claimed breakthroughs in as bullshit, would turn away any serious truth seeker from his work. It’d completely defeat the object. I’m not claiming I believe this alien god is the case, as I don’t believe anything I am yet to experience. But I am open to the possibilities, I’m also skeptical until I personally directly experience any form of awakening myself. From Leo’s perspective though, it’s certainly not bullshit. Possibly misinterpreted, or possibly as true as it gets, I honestly do not know.

i don't think it was meant as a teaching, he doesn't even know himself what it was or what it is. It was just his experience that he described. I don't know why people are looking at this as a teaching, dmt entities are common and it doesn't mean they are god. In Leo's perfeception it was powerfull so he probably decided to call it god. I think everyone should stop making thread about this alien stuff and talking about it , it's turning into some kind of an cult.

People need teachers we're they're at on a relative level. It's like a noob listening to Leo talk about alien consciousness who hasn't even had a mystical experience, It's only going to add conceptual baggage that elongates the awakening process. Angelo dilluro is another great teacher for this. There is absolutely nothing I have heard from Fred Davis that will pollute the mind more than Leo talking about his awakening experiences. You realize most people here don't even use psychedelics right?

I have been thinking a lot lately about the technology of Alien Spaceships, and since they travel faster than the speed of light and also are anti-gravity, I thought their entire manufacturing process could even start in higher frequencies/planes. Frequencies so high that go beyond the physical reality as we know it. And since all planes are deeply interconnected and correspond to each other, I thought it would be cool to start that process by creating a Drone in the mind field and programming it with the mind such that it would correspond to both lower and higher planes at will. The tragedy here is that, even though at higher levels of consciousness the boundaries between mind at matter collapse, we live in a world where there are not many people who would be willing to have their minds stuffed out, and this technology could be an antidote to that.

@Swarnim Your welcome. Thank you for your open mind It’s not really a physical connection at all. It’s more of a mental/spiritual connection of identity. You could say it’s dissolved by observation or simply by increasing your degree of consciousness. Which also involves a shift in values beyond human values and a shift in identity beyond human identity. A strong connection would be a traditional human or normie as some like to call them. They are very heavily identified with being a human and are greatly involved in human affairs. They are quite mesmerized by the dream and strongly tethered to this world through their thoughts and beliefs systems. A light connection would be closer to the mystic or sage. They are less in their body and the dream is more wispy for them. Their identity is expanded and the tethers to humanity are more dissolved. When the connection is gone then you’re dead ha ha. The dream is melted away entirely and you cannot directly interact with it anymore. Dead people don’t have much of an identification with humanness at all ? Even advanced mystics that have supposedly “detached entirely” are still hanging on by a thin string If their consciousnesses vehicle (which we would normally ascribe human characteristics to) is alive and well and able to interface with our society. What I meant by that bit you quoted is that certain extreme spiritual practices like the ones I am describing( I refer to it as Singularity Shamanism) leave one consistently in a very radical state. Your center of gravity then becomes so different from most humans that it becomes hard to relate socially, difficult to run your business and even just to play the survival game. The jellyfish cares greatly about connecting with humans and helping humans connect with each other. Although its methods of connection are so alien that none consciously recognize it and this type of connection most likely won’t help with financial success, social status or even long term survival chances. You end up being more connected with humanity’s subconscious, super conscious, hidden suffering that no one cares to discuss, and everyone’s transcendental infinite identity. All the while being greatly disconnected from the surface personalities of the conscious mind. In many ways this makes your relationship with strangers equal to those of your own immediate family ? One of the primary values of nearly all humans is to master the survival game. When the value structures within consciousness evolve past this then survival isn’t seen to be an issue at all or even important/necessary. It then takes immense work and constant effort to stay grounded and to just stick around and not float away haha. It comes at you from all sides, not just mentally and spiritually but also physically. Each wave of evolving values leads to greater interconnections being made in the mind and requires an increased consciousness current flowing through the bodily system to be able to maintain this expanded viewpoint. If one crosses the threshold of having more in common with alien jellyfish values than human values, there will naturally be an enormous consciousness current to support this, Which appears to put an intense strain upon the human nervous system; overloading it like sending a lightning bolt through a lightbulb. Also I’m not really talking about a burned out hippie who is voluntarily taking too much acid and smoke too much weed ha ha. It’s that somehow the default structures of the brain have changed and created a circumstance where the pineal gland is pumping out like 5 to 10 times the usual amount of DMT. It’s not trippy as much as it is pristinely clear and luminously lucid.(I did this accidentally by the way. If it were up to me I would’ve taken it slower but the jellyfish had other plans ?) Also I remembered another film that portrays the human Hyper-nova very well. “Lucy” With Scarlett Johansson. It’s pretty accurate with the visuals but also the thought process and emotions that come up during this event. I seem to be experiencing something similar although not quite to that extreme. ☮️?✨

Lol nah I don't take any of that serious because I already died and saw the veil behind the curtain. This just lets him know by their responses who has done the work or not. You do not live in an objective reality, your reality is subjective. Which means....the only way Leo can turn into an Alien...is if YOU imagine he does. Think of it like this... what determines if someone is RIGHT or not from your POV...? YOUR POV determines who is right or wrong, good or bad, this has always been the case...and it will always be the case. So if from your POV YOU determine the state of the world....then doesn't that make you GOD? So how can Leo turn into an Alien....unless you AS GOD imagine that he does? You constructed Leo....Leo isn't some other....he is a dream character, a thought within your mind. So unless your desire is to see him turn into an Alien....its not happening. It does actually....Love, Truth, and Intelligence are ONE. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/ These people won the Nobel Prize....for proving from the longest, most indirect path....what Non-Duality says. This discovery was made 5000 years ago and now they are patting themselves on the back....as if what they discovered was something NEW. The biggest puzzle is the building block of reality, what reality is made of. The only way to discover this is to be willing to DIE, drop all identity, and discover that everything is YOU. The most intelligent minds in human history couldn't discover this due to BIAS, which is a lack of self-love. If you haven't figured out...that the highest intelligence is the ability to see your projections...to notice your biases and thus be able to see the interconnectedness of everything....then I don't know what to tell you. By understanding Non-Duality...if you truly get it...you have become one of the smartest humans that has ever lived. Majority of humanity...is going to TAKE A LONG TIME...to awaken to the fact that they are dreaming their entire life. There is no discovery....more profound than this.

the way people suddenly are weaponizing their ideas of science against Leo now just because of this alien awakening topic is kinda disheartening to me, Why’s it gotta be science why can’t it be direct perception of reality without a mediator? I would argue that consensus would not be the place to look, Your assuming that’s more fundamental for truth when it’s not, You gotta be the truth to perceive the truth, Otherwise it will just be an empty message and you will hallucinate that there was nothing there when the message contained everything you needed you just weren’t paying attention, But we will see in the future if Leo’s proof is satisfactory, Still won’t change my absolute experience, Sure of it. Absolute definitely comes first than alien if Leo’s videos become more about alien than absolute then that will draw some objections from me but I mean he hasn’t given us any ideas yet maybe he will give us scientific explanations but I wouldn’t count on it just because your expectations want that, That isn’t more truthful if we had a scientist validate it since the scientist or culture could be wrong, So could Leo but also so could the culture judging Leo. Don’t drown in your bias you guys you will see whether this is satisfactory or not in the end, assuming you really care about truth you will be able to sort the wheat from the chaff, Don’t believe Leo but also don’t believe your ideas of what truth ought to show up in. The concept of alien doesn’t ring my truth bell immediately so I will definitely be curious to see where these ideas really lead to,if anywhere hopefully something really enriching and truthful, If they aren’t then I will just stick to my already absolute experience as it always is unaffected by other peoples concepts whether relatively right or wrong they may be… I am not in favor of either Leo or the skeptics of Leo who think he should be more scientific and non psychotic by the consensus standards, Leo may not be psychotic don’t just assume he is

@Leo Gura I can relate with much of what you are saying here. This has been my daily experience as well, Maybe not exact to yours but it is like an effortless consciousness I can just ride on, Lately I have not even been seeing rooms just my own mind, Even the sensation of it being a seperate room is immediately right here it is like a nonspecific permanent samadhi with anything throughout my experience, Although there are gradations of awareness and I can fall totally asleep thinking I’m awake when I’m not, It’s like nested unconsciousness for me that the only barrier is these assumed buildups of unconsciousness like air-pockets between connections, I suppose that’s a feature not a bug though that I have an aspect that is totally dead and unaware to whatever happens in consciousness no matter how lively the sights are I am completely aware that it’s nothing. Basically I am living as my realized imagination and it’s complete nothingness, I am imagining everything just as I imagine an apple in my thoughts. But it has an alien quality but I think it’s separate from what your talking about this is so depersonalized I wouldn’t even call it alien, Alien is not enough, I don’t find the label alien satisfying for me cause I sense it as beyond alien but a complete mind duck of a nonexistent oddity yet not alien or different, It’s not alien it’s absolute familiarness within everything, If an alien were to come to me yes there would be ego shock but that’s me! The extent to which I cannot see the sameness within alienness is my delusion that prevents me from samadhi with all items of my imagination, These realizations and insights all feel so very fresh for me, I am infinite consciousness is the main insight, I just get pummeled by roiling infinity as you described it in your salvia episode all the time, It’s a total recontextualization of every single content of my perceptions, It is quite hallucinatory but it’s less than my metaphysical contemplations used to be which is weird I have reached a point of integration where I can integrate some of the more far out imaginings, Before I was always giving my friends I was trying to teach just straight up whacky examples of relativity with like ideas of like stuff they wouldn’t think is real in consensus, Now it’s just an infinitely present room or whatever is here, It’s a room for me right now. and it goes meta, That’s where psychedelics are leading me rather than tangential hallucinations nowadays, Psychedelics are just more of this than I would be experiencing on a daily basis but same insights, Just different approaches and magnitudes of consciousness but same dynamics apply at the highest level, I have one question though if you integrate all difference with you really be able to perceive anything as alien or truly different? Why’s it alien if I’m everything,including all of the strains of infinity? Isn’t everything going to obviously encompass all difference and divergence? alien being maximum divergence from what we consider normal, Isn’t that a part of the natural that it is the supernatural?

Come on Carl you are probably going to do that anyway....let's be real you are on this forum....by virtue of just interacting on this forum makes you already way smarter than any teacher you have in university...sorry to tell you but that my friend was inevitable. You are going to continue to have this problem because you are going to keep seeing all the lies in Academia. Its a sad realization of this work....you are just going to be deconstructing lies on the fly...even when you aren't even trying. Hang in there!! Also....you changed the color of your mushroom....I was so used to the green too. ^Why do yall think Leo can transform into an Alien on screen? Have yall not yet understood how this whole thing works yet? Just because from his POV he can change into an Alien doesn't mean from your POV you can see it. Have you all not yet realized that your POV...is the only thing that exists? If you met Leo...from your POV he is imaginary like everyone else. If you entered certain states....he would DISSAPPEAR....so would your human avatar. Also in other states....you could freeze time where he couldn't move from your POV but only you could move. In another state...you could put him in synch with you where he could only move when you move. There are even more settings you could tinker with if you want. So no he is not turning into an Alien from your POV...unless you imagine it for yourself that he can. Now from his POV he could turn into a Alien....but you couldn't perceive it....unless he could imagine you perceiving that he has turned into one. ^Chew on what I just typed.

It would be a mistake to judge the look of an alien from a Human perspective. This is the mother of all "subjectivities"!!! I personally think we not ready to explore the aliens subject other than just their intelligence and consciousness. Majority of humans can hardly even control their emotions when it comes to Lust, Greed, Anger... We are too immature to explore the Aliens subject. I mean we can, in this case we would not be a friend to them, but rather an inferior servant.

Well, that's not what you said directly, but okay, I'll give it to you as I agree with this statement. They are not the problem and should not be demonized. Well, in some sense it is that. Just with a certain brand of spirituality that everyone here seems to agree on. Alien lemming Buddhism, I suppose. Agree with this. People do think they are owed more than they are, but I do get it as when life gets hard sometimes I get angry, too. The only caveat is that I take the time to introspect on why once I'm calm. That said, though, we should have a system in place for people who can't care for themselves. Most people should not blame others, but someone who is so ill that they can't function in society does deserve to at least get the basics. Although no one is deserved everything, I think the minimum should be the freedom to be safe and out of harms way within a civilized society. It really isn't. It is a manifestation of the actions you have taken in life. Who governs the laws of karma? Not sure, I haven't gotten that far, I just know it when I can feel it in my environment working around me. Does eating pork give you bad karma? I don't know, it depends on how the animal was killed and your level of knowing if eating an animal killed improperly is wrong. Innocence is taken into account, but once you are aware and know, then you are expected to make adjustments. Who decides? Not sure, I just feel it. Who cares and why? You will when you get to the end of the line and can see the evaluation happening all around you. It takes some skill to be able to parse it. Actions have consequences, some foreseen, some not, there's really no way to deny it. It is the realm to many different things. Most of us only use our basic senses. Some people can experience more than that. It isn't a belief, it is something that I feel when I do my work that impacts me in my day to day. Rather than asking me questions about something you don't believe in and are closed minded to, ask yourself why you don't have any understanding in a thing that has been in great detail recorded within human history? You don't need to take my word for it. It doesn't really matter to me, when you experience it at the end of your life, you will know what it is. Until then, live how you want, it isn't my "karma" to try and change your beliefs about something you're shut away from. If you are, there's probably a reason for it. When you see it, it will come into your life in many ways, not just as some "being", but the momentum of activity that your life has created on this earth and the effects that it caused for yourself and others. I don't really need to prove it to you, you'll get there eventually, we all have to face the outcome of our actions.

STAGES OF ANIMA DEVELOPMENT IN MEN 1. Women as mother - He needs a mommy to take care of him. In this first stage, a man’s anima is completely tied up with the mother. She is not necessarily his personal mother but the image of a woman that is a faithful provider of nourishment, security, and love. She represents all that is natural, instinctual, and biological.223 A man with an anima complex of this type cannot function well without a vital connection to a woman, and is easy prey of being controlled and exploited by her. He frequently suffers from impotence or has no sexual desire at all, and is therefore called a mama’s boy. This type of anima possession also manifests through fear of accidents or disease, or in a sort of dullness of personality. The Greek Sirens and the German Lorelei personify these dangerous aspects of the anima, which may even lead a man to his death over a lost love relationship through suicide. 2. Women as sex object - He wants her to make him feel good. In the second stage, the anima is a collective sexual image. She is a Marilyn Monroe, Madonna, or Playboy model. Men in stage two are often Don Juans who see all women as sex objects, and engage in repeated sexual adventures, sometimes developing into sexual addictions. These relationships are invariably short-lived, because he is not faithful, is always looking for his next conquest, and no woman can ever live up to his unrealistic image of the ideal female partner. 3. Women as wife - He wants her loyalty and support. In the third stage of his anima complex development, a man becomes ready to care for a wife and be devoted to his family. He is the loving protector and provider that women in the equivalent stage three of their animus development seek. Men with this anima accept their partner as she is, as long as she fulfills her role as supportive, undemanding, caring, and faithful wife, available sex partner, and loving mother to his children. His sexuality is usually integrated into their relationship and not an autonomous function that drives him. He can differentiate between love and lust, which allows him to create a lasting partnership (if she stays), because he can tell the difference between the objects of his sexual desire and the benefits of being a faithful partner/husband. 4. Women as guide to creativity and awakening - He struggles with her need for independence. In the fourth stage, a man’s anima functions as a guide to his inner life. As women in this stage become emotionally and financially independent from men, they often turn away and abandon their partners against their will. This challenges him to seek other sources of fulfillment, happiness, aliveness, passion, joy, purpose, peace, and love. Through his quest arises a desire to answer life’s deeper questions of “who am I,” “where do I come from,” “why am I here,” “what is the meaning of my life,” “what should I do,” “what is my purpose,” and “where do I go”? Contemplating these questions, reading books like the one that you are holding right now, meditating, or seeking a bond with others on a similar path in men’s groups, New Age churches, and personal growth workshops allow him to bring deeper levels of his unconscious anima into his awareness. This leads to a liberating process of awakening to his authentic nature, true purpose, genuine passions, and capacity to love unconditionally that are independent from a partnership with a woman.224 On the flipside, he may show behaviors that are usually described as a midlife crisis,225 become commitment phobic, avoid deeper intimacy with women altogether, or engage in serial monogamy or polyamory,226 since he does not want to sacrifice his newfound freedom or to be limited by one partnership. This partial awakening (the idea of living alone is not Integral, fully realized, or the ultimate realization of human development) is transcended when a man enters stage five of his anima development. 5. Women as equal partner - He meets her as an opposite and equal partner. Similar to a woman in this stage (see below), a man in stage five of his anima complex development has accepted the fact that conflicts and ambivalence are intrinsic to human relationships, and sees how their resolution contributes to his ongoing healing, personal growth, and spiritual realization. He feels confident, secure, and comfortable to authentically express his sexual essence (which tends to be masculine in heterosexual men), while he embraces his feminine (anima).227 This allows him to invite differing views, experiences, and feelings of his female partner without feeling threatened, offended, or puzzled by them. Her authentic stage-five feminine qualities naturally complement his masculinity and vice versa. Since he has found his own purposeful identity that does not depend on her inspiration, support, or approval, he appreciates his partner’s independent authority,228 and doesn’t feel responsibility, shame, or insecurity if she is unhappy—even though he shows empathy, care, and devotion—and enjoys when she is happy. He neither clings, nor pushes her away, but fully opens to embrace her at all levels of his being when they are together, and stays content and fulfilled when they are apart. This allows him to enter into a mature monogamous relationship of opposites and equals from which radically new life experiences, emotional healing processes, and deeper spiritual realizations that often become the foundation for altruistic acts of kindness and service towards others emerge. STAGES OF ANIMUS DEVELOPMENT IN WOMEN 1. Men as alien outsiders - She fears, hates, and loves him. Because of abuse or abandonment from men that she identified with during childhood, such as a father, father figure, older brother, uncle, or family friend, a woman in this stage completely denies and suppresses her animus as alien inside and outside of herself. She trusts her mother and other females, while she distrusts, hates, or fears men. This is often countered by a strange curiosity about men, which she cannot differentiate. This ambivalence can make her extremely seductive, needy, and clingy, and cause severe symptoms of the “seduce and withhold”230 syndrome. As soon as a man gets close to her she withdraws, only to come back to ask for more after he becomes distant. She can break the heart of a weak man who tries to prove that he is different, attempts to rescue her from her fears, and so becomes codependent231 as she lures him into her pathological cat and mouse game. Within the limits of her domain in household, family, and female-oriented work environment (e.g., school teacher, nurse, artist, gardener, therapist, healer, working with animals, etc.), such a woman may seem grounded and self-confident. Outside those limits, she leaves the work and responsibility to men and more mature women.232 2. Men as father, God, or king - She wants his approval. The self-esteem of a woman in this stage is directly connected to the response and approval that she receives from men. She is often driven by a need to be seen as the most attractive female, and constantly monitors her value by her internalized masculine judgment and through externalized male reflection. This may lead to a split in her personality when she imitates male behavior to be liked by them, and at other times presents herself as a sexually seductive femme fatale (such as in the movie Basic Instinct) to be desired. She either hides behind a feminine mask of beautiful appearance, graceful charming manner, and entertaining wit, or develops a tom boyish attitude through teasing, competing, and challenging, or some other facade that suggests success. Women in this stage gravitate towards men that they perceive to be more attractive, intelligent, and exciting than they could ever be themselves. They often try to live up to men by dietary restrictions, vigorous physical exercising, adapting to their intellectual interests, developing new talents, and being sexually available to become the perfect mate. If a woman remains in this stage, she is at great risk of entering a profound depression when her beauty and sexual attractiveness wane, and the number of heads that she is turning, and men who admire her diminishes. She may then isolate herself from all intimate relationships, because her perfectionism overrides her ability to be compassionate and to forgive her own and others’ mistakes. This may lead her to withdraw into a cold and bitter self-denial in which her anxieties create all kinds of psychosomatic illnesses, such as panic attacks, vomiting, heart problems, fatigue, and body aches. A strong, conscious, and patient man (or a good psychotherapist) can support a woman in this stage to find her own worth, passions, and identity, independent of male approval, which then allows her to enter into stage three.233 3. Men as hero - She wants him to take care of her. Women in stage three seek a man as protector and provider with strength, courage, and ability, who can meet her needs, cherish her, and whom she wants to marry. He represents her ideal (and often unrealistic) image of the knight in shining armor who fulfills her expectations for good looks, intelligence, solid reputation, stable finances, generosity, loyalty, humor, kindness, care, integrity, and faithfulness. To be in a good bargaining position, this woman will focus on her appearance, health/fitness, and adapting to the world of men by seeking a higher education, pursuing a career, fighting for social justice, or saving a failing business. She will appear as self-affirming and expects something in return. She functions well in the competitive world of men, sees herself as equal, is willing to share responsibilities, and will contribute and perform as long as her partner is able to provide more in return, since women want to marry up. As long as he meets her expectations for financial security, social status, and devotion, she will support him to achieve his full potential while often denying such achievements to herself. This can lead to feelings of resentment and anger when she sees that she has been “denied” the right to experience her own competence, and when her partner/husband fails to live up to her ever-growing expectations. Some women in this stage will enter an inward journey once they become aware of the transitory nature of their physical attractiveness, ability to succeed with men, and limitations of finding acceptance in the male world. This may lead them to the restoration of their female authority 234 as they take responsibility for their own identity once they have moved into stage four of their animus complex development.235 4. Men as independent beings - She wants her independence. A woman in stage four makes an active choice in favor of her self-interest and self-fulfillment—independent of a partner or husband. This transition takes place with the realization that she has constructed her own experiences throughout her lifetime in relationship to men, and now wants to find her own identity. She will stop trying to be perfect in all things in order to please her partner (who was a heroic father figure in the previous stage), as she becomes emotionally free from his approval and support. Having discovered her own source of worthiness and foundation, she is working to restore her female authority. Financial independence through her own labor or through other sources of money that are often only available to women, such as “divorcing well,” alimony and child-support payments, generous lovers, support from parents, or Social Security benefits, are the prerequisite for this transition. You will notice if your partner enters into stage four of her animus development when she starts to challenge you, cares less about your needs, seeks her financial independence, and refuses to take responsibility for holding your relationship together. If you are in partnership with a woman in this stage, it is important to know that it is not your fault that her pain of staying will eventually be greater than her fear of leaving, and that there is nothing you can do but to take care of yourself emotionally 236 and sexually, protect the financial assets that are legitimately yours (if you have to, with the help of a CPA or lawyer), and, if you can, support her with love and compassion in her transition. Once separated and/or divorced, she will feel free from the evaluation and needs of men for the first time in her life. These newly single women are then much occupied with challenging work, their animals and children, social activities, educational advancements, maintaining their household, hobbies, world-travel, and their friendships.237 At the same time, they look down at women who show more feminine or balanced qualities and who desire to be (or are) in a committed partnership with a man. To women in stage four, partnered women still seem to be in the pitiful stage two or three of dependence on a male partner (which they have just escaped). However, married women may have actually advanced into stage five, which women in stage four cannot fathom yet. They discredit partnered women as unevolved and often compete with them in merciless ways. Women in stage four frequently break with the conventional role of caring mother, show tough love, and feel fulfilled outside a partnership with a man. Still, there remains an underlying fear of abandonment, especially in older women, when concerns about the disappearance of their skills and autonomy in the midst of a crisis arise. This often leads to feelings of ambivalence. On one side there is a secret longing for the stability and support that a partnership with a man could provide during times of stress, fatigue, loneliness, or desire for sex. On the other side there is the fear of becoming emotionally dependent, used, and dominated again. Frequent complaints about the lack of good men who are physically fit and attractive, highly intelligent, successful, accomplished, mature, kind, loving, generous, evolved, supportive, spiritual, and available when they need/want them, but who remain flexible, undemanding, and unattached otherwise, are a hallmark of women in stage four.238 Becoming men-hating diehard singles, settling for “friends with benefits” whom they string a long, or serial monogamy are often the only solutions that seem to solve their dilemma. It is not your fault if you get mixed messages, are rejected, or are ignored altogether by women in stage four that you try to date or get a commitment from, as these women are highly independent, endlessly demanding, impossible to please, and commitmentphobic.239 This is, of course, no problem for men who have entered stage four of their own anima development, which many single males and females falsely see as the highest stage of their personal and spiritual development (as in, I am so whole and complete, I don’t need a partner to complete me). If you have matured into stage five and meet a woman who is at the end of her animus stage four development, then you may be able to patiently support her to transition into stage five and find a wonderful partner in her. 5. Men as equal partners - She wants him as an equal and opposite partner. Just as a man, a woman in stage five of her animus development has accepted that conflict and ambivalence are intrinsic to human relationships, and realized the significance of a partnership to balance her further psychological growth and spiritual awakening.240 Having fully claimed her own authority after transcending her animus complex, she no longer sees men as alien, superior, inferior, or independent. The realization that the idea of living and going it alone was a distorted conception of human existence emerges in her, because we never live alone. She sees that in being human we have a variety of economic, physical, sexual, psychological, and spiritual needs that cannot be met by living alone. At last she has the insight that a balanced personality always develops in a self-other conception, and never through the discovery of an independent self.241 This woman then desires the material, intellectual, emotional, sexual, and spiritual synergy that is co-created with a man who meets her as an opposite and equal (which means opposite feminine and masculine polarities with equal levels of consciousness, rights, and responsibilities). Since she may have never experienced a stage five partnership, she needs guidance from a man (like you?) at the same stage of his anima development, who is able to meet her in an integrally informed way. These couples can then form interdependent242 partnerships in which they heal, learn, grow, and enjoy family and social activities together, while contributing to the well-being of others.243 --------------------------- So where are you guys in your development? Men answer from the ANIMA list and Woman from the ANIMUS list. Its possible to be a mix of many stages and a mix of anima and animus, if so describe your experience.

For a good review check this: https://spiraldynamicsintegral.nl/en/turquoise/ https://spiraldynamicsintegral.nl/en/yellow/ As well as you can buy the course on Integral life to go through all the stages. Tier2 mosty called Teal takes a lot of study and work to integrate. I've been listening for it and practicing it for years with even small courses on InsightTimer offered by Ken Wilber. Reading almost all Wilbers and doing the work. IMO even when I meet integral people at integral life who are TIER2. It's not easy to detect. For example I spiral down the most when I have physical and mental issues, when I exercise and work regularly and sleep regularly I function highly at TQ as an more symbol aware individual referencing a bit of snippet knowledge from Susan-Cook-Greuters Ego-Development Model. Leo has a video on this!!! Must watch almost!! I notice how important it is to study it in more detail. I did the full course on integral life and did every exercise besides the stage turqouise one and I notice for example. As the three main lines that dictate as far as I know full Tier2 are: cognitive line of development, emotional line of development and moral line of development. (check kosmic consciouness for a reference book/audiobook by Wilber). I for example struggle with a Yellow/Turqouise moral and emotional line as there are not many individual emobdying it. Values and Needs are even seperate... if you want to get technical. Although they are part of AQAL Schamchtenberge is a good example of fully TQ at the cognitive and moral line, I doubt his emotional development. Seen other masters who are way way above him see Peter Ralston for example as a fully living Tier 3 individual. As soon as you hit stream entry you basically are functioning at TIER3. Tier2 is pretty low of a devleopment imo, it's not that hard anymore. At least that is my opinion without studying it like a rigid academic, although I studied and did enough to tell. I am at Teal and sometimes broken Teal because of life circumstances. The two links above are a good reference. Most forget that all of the stages are online... so they only focus on ego instead of seeing through the ego! As Tier2 is not egoless it's highly ego-aware! That is an important distinction. Most here are most likely currently low-high Yellow as the rational "dogmatic/scientific reductionistic" oranges somehow left the forum. After years of beign here... check my profile I can tell mostly who is at a high functioning stage, although it get's confusing even after having done the courses. Ken Wilber is at Tier3 -> First ego-less stage coral/indigo + morals + emotional line = Full Tier3 according to Wilber criteria. No idea what Leo thinks about this topic... Obviously, appealing to authorities. Cook-Greuter is great in terms of making a scientific study of Tier1 and Tier2. Although my science is rather rusty currently... Even if you did the development it's revoke able to a degree according to Wilber at least. So when you did the work and fall of you horse, you can climb back up. There are regression within the model explained.. claiming anything is an issue. See how Leo reaches alien intelligence and the next one comes. OMFG I reached it too, trust people by their actions mostly.. not their words imo. I dunno how many people I corrected here about this topic.... https://integrallife.com/glossary/third-tier/ Focusing on third3 would do better than focusing on Tier2. Tier2 is quiet shallow imo after meeting some and many of them as well as enlightend masters face to face. Leo is doing fantastic work, although it's extremely difficult to embody, and stuff changes all the time. My personal opinion I think Schmachtenberger is a pussy because he does not push himself to Tier3. and because he wears a German surname for a little bit of bias.

Haha. But more seriously have you ever really looked at your body and realized it was alien? In other words we have been conditioned to have a sense that this is "human" and this is normality. Yet, we are actually so alien. Our faces are just so foreign...our hands are claws. Just have to look at it without knowing or letting the conceptual mind take over. and then you realize you don't really "know" what you are..it is foreign. ? interesting indeed.

Hahaha fun read brother I think E.T.s would be as equally fascinated by us like we would be them, at least in the beginning. Indeed. From what I’ve gathered, the evolution of intelligent life in the Universe tends to move towards Love. I’d imagine an alien species capable of interstellar travel would have a very high level of consciousness and not a low one. If they were to bump into us, I highly doubt they would be violent and go scorched earth on us like in the movies.

If it were to be so grotesque that it could not possibly be a visual effect, yeah off course people would care. a lot. Are you that blind? an actual nigga transforming into an actual alien? ???