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Interesting. When the body is still, like in meditation, or even when falling asleep, all sorts of "things" and "ideas" can come up. This is "par for the course". I bring up sleep, because from my POV, falling asleep is not really different at all from meditation. It's like a mandatory meditation you do every night. The same happens when the body becomes sick. Lots of people say being sick makes them more humble. Some say it makes them more grateful. Some say it makes them contemplate death more. Depends on the ideas the person has accumulated mentally. Essentially, the state of the body will make all sorts of ideas about yourself come up and out, kind of like a "mental purging". The exact same happens in meditation. The "smoothness" of meditation, or dealing with any kind of energetic or emotional state, comes down to your ability to focus on what is present (real) rather than what isn't present (unreal). That's why people use the breath and other things as an "anchor" to focus on. Meditation is going back to what is most fundamental, which is the fact of your existence, in spite of any thoughts that seem tempting to "chase after". Meditation is "letting go", like sleep is, rather than "chasing after". Technically, it can be done anywhere, even while moving, as you said. Since the present, or the real, is indeed everywhere. Keeping the body still is just to lessen the significance of the body.

Right. It can definitely spawn an investigation. Because it is so pertinent for the seeker. But the resolution always seems to be "doh, it was just a belief".

Sounds like you're opening the closet and realizing that nothing is in there.

It makes sense that the finite would be concerned with what happens after the finite disappears. Like paper being concerned about scissors. But that's the belief in finite. What about what isn't disappearing, which isn't finite and isn't a belief? Death seems to be spiritual because it looks supernatural and mysterious by virtue of being unknown, but it's a distraction from what actually exists.

Right Everyone is so macabre.

It's almost like hatred, envy, and narcissism isn't actually inherent to either gender (contrary to all the posts in this section of the forum) 🤔🤔🤔

Haha, nope. I wasn't lying when I said it was ineffable. As an analogy, there is seeing, and then there are the objects we see. It's easy to get entangled in all the different objects, to the point where one might even ask "which object am I?". The kicker is that seeing itself is never any of the objects and never was. You can say that you're seeing a table and a chair, but you can never say that seeing is a table or a chair.

Well, if you take away the "your" and the "my", then it's the same "this". So, in the end, it's not this that's ever different, it's your idea of what you are that differs from this.

Maybe. I know what nouns and verbs are, but I thought the decision to bring those distinctions into a talk like this was interesting on Osho's part.

I thought there was something strange about that statement. It's AI lol.

Very interesting distinction to make, I kinda like it.

Osho's elaboration, basically. I gotta steelman him or he'll roll in his grave.

I see, well I was mostly just joking.

Seemed like you wanted someone to argue with.

Very cool. Unfortunately, I have nothing to argue about with you.