Inliytened1

If you like authoritarianism. I don't like giving complete power to one person it is basically monarchy. Thats all it is. Now whether you think the US democracy is corrupt because of the politicians you might not be so far off.

Glitches in the matrix.

Well said. Yeah the West really rose after WW2. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Churchill. Those were men of wisdom that built it. What we have now in the West is an embrassment. But you're right there is too much custom and thus stage red/blue for the Middle East. Israel is trying to rise above it but is constantly being dragged down.

@Breakingthewall what do you think of the conflict considering the history?

I disagree it's just that you have terrorist organizations running your governments.

Well in 2005 israel withdrew and by 2007 Hamas gained control of the government but started launching rockets as soon as Israel withdrew. Yes Israel still controlled the border but Hamas did not take a peaceful approach after Israel withdrew. They could have sought peaceful means but they didn't. They just wanted to crush Israel which led up to the 2023 attack. So no I don't feel like they are innocent at all.

Need i remind of you of 2005?

You are assuming this is the case. Maybe they just realized that being passive ends up dead. And they wanted their own state. It wasn't a matter of taking out what the Nazis did to them on Palestine. They just never wanted to be in that position again.

I never said they weren't. I said Israel was being demonized on this forum. They have every right. But don't complain about the bloodshed. And don't think for a second that the Arabs wouldn't seek to take what Israel has.

No they just fought for their own state.

If you really want to tell the whole story no Israel had to fight for everything they have. You don't crucify Hamas for fighting for what they want..which is to allow the prolonged bloodshed by refusing to surrender. It is this kind of violence that Israel rose up against. So don't hate the hated.

Well that hadn't happened (Palestinians being forced out) when Hamas attacked. This doesn't justify anything just because they thought they were going to be forced out. If that were to happen -and it's not what is happening- and Bibi went back on his words - then I would see things differently. But also remember that Ben Givir may fear that not taking further action would end in Israel's demise by allowing Hamas to rise.

The argument clearly here is that it's ethnic cleansing. And I don't see it. Israel was attacked and then they want their hostages returned. Their end goal isn't to get rid of the Palestinians. The argument on Palestinian rights is another discussion. But that is different from ethnic cleansing. Hamas is continuing the war just as much because they refuse to give the hostages back and surrender. If Israel let that slide it would be a sign to give Hamas hope to rebuild and attack them again. And they have a right to get their hostages back. That is the perspective they are coming from.

Hitler would win if israel didn't learn from it and sat back like weaklings. No one else is going to keep them in existence but themselves.

He should give me some examples first rather than just a blanket claim but regardless of course the Jews have been persecuted by many peoples but what does this have to do with the conversation. Is he saying i shouldn't support the US becsuse they are backing Israel? That's absurd.